Powell is about to come clean

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i love how you guys are so sure he knew at the time he was making the case for the war to the U.N. that he knew there were inaccuraces in the intelligence reports in front of him.
i don't think he knew at that time.

hindsight now is 20/20.

Enough people in this forum knew, if Powell didn't know that's pretty pathetic.

who in this forum KNEW that we would find no WMD BEFORE the war?
you are FOS.

I didn't know and I mistakenly believed that the Administration was honest and competent enough to make sure there was before invading Iraq. I won't make that mistake again.

i'm with you. i believed what the intelligence reports were saying. it's too bad so many people doubt that the President couldn't have believed just the same.

Yeah we are somewhat at fault for the "Crock in Iraq" too by supporting the Dub in his push to invade Iraq. The difference is when we are wrong it doesan't cost lives where as in the Dub's case it does!

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i love how you guys are so sure he knew at the time he was making the case for the war to the U.N. that he knew there were inaccuraces in the intelligence reports in front of him.
i don't think he knew at that time.

hindsight now is 20/20.

Enough people in this forum knew, if Powell didn't know that's pretty pathetic.

who in this forum KNEW that we would find no WMD BEFORE the war?
you are FOS.

I didn't know and I mistakenly believed that the Administration was honest and competent enough to make sure there was before invading Iraq. I won't make that mistake again.

i'm with you. i believed what the intelligence reports were saying. it's too bad so many people doubt that the President couldn't have believed just the same.

Yeah we are somewhat at fault for the "Crock in Iraq" too by supporting the Dub in his push to invade Iraq. The difference is when we are wrong it doesan't cost lives where as in the Dub's case it does!

agreed.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
it's too bad so many people doubt that the President couldn't have believed just the same.

*shakes head*

In other words, too bad more people couldn't be sheep. The intelligence was cooked and twisted to what Bush and the PNAC crew wanted. Powell was a part of the cooking and twisting and he knew it, hence his sudden departure after the 2004 elections.

"I wonder how people will feel when we drop 1/2 million troops it Iraq, march from one of that country to the other and find absolutely nothing?!?"

That's one hell of a statement to make just minutes after give the "go to war" speech to the UN.

Too bad the country and Powell were duped!

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: moshquerade
it's too bad so many people doubt that the President couldn't have believed just the same.

*shakes head*

In other words, too bad more people couldn't be sheep. The intelligence was cooked and twisted to what Bush and the PNAC crew wanted. Powell was a part of the cooking and twisting and he knew it, hence his sudden departure after the 2004 elections.

"I wonder how people will feel when we drop 1/2 million troops it Iraq, march from one of that country to the other and find absolutely nothing?!?"

That's one hell of a statement to make just minutes after give the "go to war" speech to the UN.

Too bad the country and Powell were duped!

you are speculating.


Powell has spoken out against in hindsight. i have yet to read where he thought "at the time" that the intelligence reports were false.

 

[Jhhnn]

Powell knew full well that his UN presentation was only one of a variety of possible interpretations of rather ambiguous information, but he represented it as the only one, as "fact". He knew what he was doing, and that his words and actions demanded action not founded on empirical evidence, but on irrational desire. He also knew that the consequences of such a gamble were incalculable, some of them dire in nature. Now that time and truth are taking their toll, he's trying to refurb his image, paint himself as one of the deceived rather than as one of the deceivers.

I can more easily forgive the ideological whackjobs involved than Powell- they can't think straight, can't help themselves- he can.

It's called selling out. I'd respect him more if he'd admit it in just so many words, but that won't happen.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: moshquerade
it's too bad so many people doubt that the President couldn't have believed just the same.

*shakes head*

In other words, too bad more people couldn't be sheep. The intelligence was cooked and twisted to what Bush and the PNAC crew wanted. Powell was a part of the cooking and twisting and he knew it, hence his sudden departure after the 2004 elections.

"I wonder how people will feel when we drop 1/2 million troops it Iraq, march from one of that country to the other and find absolutely nothing?!?"

That's one hell of a statement to make just minutes after give the "go to war" speech to the UN.

Too bad the country and Powell were duped!

you are speculating.


Powell has spoken out against in hindsight. i have yet to read where he thought "at the time" that the intelligence reports were false.

I'm not speculating anything on the above quote. It was directly from Powell's chief of staff. You can choose to spin it toward protecting Bush if you want, the rest of the country is waking up.

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Powell knew full well that his UN presentation was only one of a variety of possible interpretations of rather ambiguous information, but he represented it as the only one, as "fact". He knew what he was doing, and that his words and actions demanded action not founded on empirical evidence, but on irrational desire. He also knew that the consequences of such a gamble were incalculable, some of them dire in nature. Now that time and truth are taking their toll, he's trying to refurb his image, paint himself as one of the deceived rather than as one of the deceivers.

I can more easily forgive the ideological whackjobs involved than Powell- they can't think straight, can't help themselves- he can.

It's called selling out. I'd respect him more if he'd admit it in just so many words, but that won't happen.

BINGO!!!

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Powell knew full well that his UN presentation was only one of a variety of possible interpretations of rather ambiguous information, but he represented it as the only one, as "fact". He knew what he was doing, and that his words and actions demanded action not founded on empirical evidence, but on irrational desire. He also knew that the consequences of such a gamble were incalculable, some of them dire in nature. Now that time and truth are taking their toll, he's trying to refurb his image, paint himself as one of the deceived rather than as one of the deceivers.

I can more easily forgive the ideological whackjobs involved than Powell- they can't think straight, can't help themselves- he can.

It's called selling out. I'd respect him more if he'd admit it in just so many words, but that won't happen.

you know exactly what Powell was thinking.
maybe you can read my mind too.

 

[Zebo]

Oh well there goes that 100 million dollar CEO Job at pickyourdefensecontractor.com

 

[colonel]

Powell one of the best soldier/general and HONEST citizen the country can produce. I m happy for him...

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Powell knew full well that his UN presentation was only one of a variety of possible interpretations of rather ambiguous information, but he represented it as the only one, as "fact". He knew what he was doing, and that his words and actions demanded action not founded on empirical evidence, but on irrational desire. He also knew that the consequences of such a gamble were incalculable, some of them dire in nature. Now that time and truth are taking their toll, he's trying to refurb his image, paint himself as one of the deceived rather than as one of the deceivers.

I can more easily forgive the ideological whackjobs involved than Powell- they can't think straight, can't help themselves- he can.

It's called selling out. I'd respect him more if he'd admit it in just so many words, but that won't happen.

truth. Maybe he's trying to salvage some demand for his Board memberships, speaker's fees ($80k/pop was his rack-rate prior to becoming SecState) and $6 mil for his memoirs...etc etc etc.


Anyway check out this out from him which of course led to "Powell doctrine" totally abandoned while he served Bush:

"Many of my generation," he once said, "the career captains, majors and lieutenant colonels seasoned in that war, vowed that when our turn came to call the shots, we should not acquiesce in halfhearted warfare for half-baked reasons that the American people could not understand or support. If we could make good on that promise to ourselves, to the civilian leadership, and to the country, then the sacrifices in Vietnam would not have been in vain."

Powell is a good soldier. There's no way he'll criticize his commander in chief, so you won't find him commenting on how he feels about the trashing of the Powell Doctrine. Such loyalty is commendable.
'

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i love how you guys are so sure he knew at the time he was making the case for the war to the U.N. that he knew there were inaccuraces in the intelligence reports in front of him.
i don't think he knew at that time.

hindsight now is 20/20.

Enough people in this forum knew, if Powell didn't know that's pretty pathetic.

who in this forum KNEW that we would find no WMD BEFORE the war?
you are FOS.

I knew you wouldn't find wmd's.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
you are speculating.


Powell has spoken out against in hindsight. i have yet to read where he thought "at the time" that the intelligence reports were false.

Ever read "Plan of Attack"?

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT

Originally posted by: Tab
Everyone makes mistakes, not that many people admit to them.

Colin Powell is one of the better members of the Bush Administration.

Powell is not a member of the administration. He was. He played a critical role in launching the war in Iraq. He knew exactly what he was doing and who he was doing it for. Someone with the experience and contacts that Powell has had to know that the Iraq invasion was pure scam. He should have resigned before making total fool of himself in front of the UN security council.

i love how you guys are so sure he knew at the time he was making the case for the war to the U.N. that he knew there were inaccuraces in the intelligence reports in front of him.
i don't think he knew at that time.

hindsight now is 20/20.

Oh, let's see. Hans Blix was working around the clock and commuting from Iraq to New York at the same time. Blix was reporting a totally different situation than Powell's. Blix was working in Iraq to discover WMD. Powell and neocon faction relied on an exile that hadn't been in country for over 40 years.

The moment Powell pitched those mobile labs, the veil was torn. That was the most brazen story I have ever heard. Powell should be in Las Vegas playing poker, if he could keep a straight face telling that one.

Please don't forget the smear campaign waged against Hans Blix during this time. I recall Blix complaining that he was never afforded all this intelligence to aid his work on the ground.

Powell knew his presentation was pure fiction. It was a formality that had to be played.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Just saw the preview of Powell being interviewed by Bawba Walters. The snippet was....

BW: Do you believe that there was a connection between Saddam and al Qaeda?

CP: Not that I have seen.

This should be good. Can't wait to see the rest of Powell clearing his conscience.

Powell - one of the greatest Americans ever :thumbsup:

a true Patriot

That's a bit flowery, but there was a time when I thought he was a thoughtful man who would make a sterling president. He damaged himself as a public figure, in my eyes, by first suggesting that firearms registration was a good idea (which it clearly is NOT) and then by delivering his famous speech at the UN, which he now says he KNEW was a lie.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: moshquerade
it's too bad so many people doubt that the President couldn't have believed just the same.

*shakes head*

In other words, too bad more people couldn't be sheep. The intelligence was cooked and twisted to what Bush and the PNAC crew wanted. Powell was a part of the cooking and twisting and he knew it, hence his sudden departure after the 2004 elections.

"I wonder how people will feel when we drop 1/2 million troops it Iraq, march from one of that country to the other and find absolutely nothing?!?"

That's one hell of a statement to make just minutes after give the "go to war" speech to the UN.

Too bad the country and Powell were duped!

you are speculating.


Powell has spoken out against in hindsight. i have yet to read where he thought "at the time" that the intelligence reports were false.

Problem is.. You believe him when he says it is hindsight... All politicians want you to belive that...

 

[shurato]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT

Originally posted by: Tab
Everyone makes mistakes, not that many people admit to them.

Colin Powell is one of the better members of the Bush Administration.

Powell is not a member of the administration. He was. He played a critical role in launching the war in Iraq. He knew exactly what he was doing and who he was doing it for. Someone with the experience and contacts that Powell has had to know that the Iraq invasion was pure scam. He should have resigned before making total fool of himself in front of the UN security council.

i love how you guys are so sure he knew at the time he was making the case for the war to the U.N. that he knew there were inaccuraces in the intelligence reports in front of him.
i don't think he knew at that time.

hindsight now is 20/20.

Yes another worthless post from one of Bush's cheerleaders on here.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: shurato

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT

Originally posted by: Tab
Everyone makes mistakes, not that many people admit to them.

Colin Powell is one of the better members of the Bush Administration.

Powell is not a member of the administration. He was. He played a critical role in launching the war in Iraq. He knew exactly what he was doing and who he was doing it for. Someone with the experience and contacts that Powell has had to know that the Iraq invasion was pure scam. He should have resigned before making total fool of himself in front of the UN security council.

i love how you guys are so sure he knew at the time he was making the case for the war to the U.N. that he knew there were inaccuraces in the intelligence reports in front of him.
i don't think he knew at that time.

hindsight now is 20/20.

Yes another worthless post from one of Bush's cheerleaders on here.

so i am pro-Bush and you are anti-Bush. we can both be strong in our convictions.
you aren't a better person than i.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Just saw the preview of Powell being interviewed by Bawba Walters. The snippet was....

BW: Do you believe that there was a connection between Saddam and al Qaeda?

CP: Not that I have seen.

This should be good. Can't wait to see the rest of Powell clearing his conscience.

Please....

He may be out of the limelight politically, but do you actually think he would come clean just three years after it started? ...while we still have troops in Iraq? ...while Bush is still in office?

If he comes clean (and how would we truly know) and it was all a lie, I expect him to have a sudden "heartattack" in the coming weeks.

If it was all a lie, I don't expect anyone from the Bush Admin. to rat it out until years later. I expect it to be much like the recent Deepthroat situation.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: shurato

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT

Originally posted by: Tab
Everyone makes mistakes, not that many people admit to them.

Colin Powell is one of the better members of the Bush Administration.

Powell is not a member of the administration. He was. He played a critical role in launching the war in Iraq. He knew exactly what he was doing and who he was doing it for. Someone with the experience and contacts that Powell has had to know that the Iraq invasion was pure scam. He should have resigned before making total fool of himself in front of the UN security council.

i love how you guys are so sure he knew at the time he was making the case for the war to the U.N. that he knew there were inaccuraces in the intelligence reports in front of him.
i don't think he knew at that time.

hindsight now is 20/20.

Yes another worthless post from one of Bush's cheerleaders on here.

so i am pro-Bush and you are anti-Bush. we can both be strong in our convictions.
you aren't a better person than i.

That will be decided by God, not you.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: shurato

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT

Originally posted by: Tab
Everyone makes mistakes, not that many people admit to them.

Colin Powell is one of the better members of the Bush Administration.

Powell is not a member of the administration. He was. He played a critical role in launching the war in Iraq. He knew exactly what he was doing and who he was doing it for. Someone with the experience and contacts that Powell has had to know that the Iraq invasion was pure scam. He should have resigned before making total fool of himself in front of the UN security council.

i love how you guys are so sure he knew at the time he was making the case for the war to the U.N. that he knew there were inaccuraces in the intelligence reports in front of him.
i don't think he knew at that time.

hindsight now is 20/20.

Yes another worthless post from one of Bush's cheerleaders on here.

so i am pro-Bush and you are anti-Bush. we can both be strong in our convictions.
you aren't a better person than i.

That will be decided by God, not you.

:roll:

 

[shurato]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: shurato

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT

Originally posted by: Tab
Everyone makes mistakes, not that many people admit to them.

Colin Powell is one of the better members of the Bush Administration.

Powell is not a member of the administration. He was. He played a critical role in launching the war in Iraq. He knew exactly what he was doing and who he was doing it for. Someone with the experience and contacts that Powell has had to know that the Iraq invasion was pure scam. He should have resigned before making total fool of himself in front of the UN security council.

i love how you guys are so sure he knew at the time he was making the case for the war to the U.N. that he knew there were inaccuraces in the intelligence reports in front of him.
i don't think he knew at that time.

hindsight now is 20/20.

Yes another worthless post from one of Bush's cheerleaders on here.

so i am pro-Bush and you are anti-Bush. we can both be strong in our convictions.
you aren't a better person than i.

It's your venomous nature of your postings... some how you've managed to snake yourself into P&N. Oh why doesn't it surprise me that someone with your online personality is a staunch Bush supporter. And no, your entitled to your opinions...as am I...and you are perfectly well within your means to respond less than politely like you normally do.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: shurato

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: shurato

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT

Originally posted by: Tab
Everyone makes mistakes, not that many people admit to them.

Colin Powell is one of the better members of the Bush Administration.

Powell is not a member of the administration. He was. He played a critical role in launching the war in Iraq. He knew exactly what he was doing and who he was doing it for. Someone with the experience and contacts that Powell has had to know that the Iraq invasion was pure scam. He should have resigned before making total fool of himself in front of the UN security council.

i love how you guys are so sure he knew at the time he was making the case for the war to the U.N. that he knew there were inaccuraces in the intelligence reports in front of him.
i don't think he knew at that time.

hindsight now is 20/20.

Yes another worthless post from one of Bush's cheerleaders on here.

so i am pro-Bush and you are anti-Bush. we can both be strong in our convictions.
you aren't a better person than i.

It's your venomous nature of your postings... some how you've managed to snake yourself into P&N. Oh why doesn't it surprise me that someone with your online personality is a staunch Bush supporter. And no, your entitled to your opinions...as am I...and you are perfectly well within your means to respond less than politely like you normally do.

what is so venomous about my postings? i don't break out the namecalling or tell others their posts are worthless.

i defend my position, but just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it is impolite.

i think you've unfairly misjudged me.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: moshquerade
you are speculating.


Powell has spoken out against in hindsight. i have yet to read where he thought "at the time" that the intelligence reports were false.

Ever read "Plan of Attack"?

??

 

[Moonbeam]

I have never understood Powell worship. His image was bought and paid for.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I don't feel sorry for Powell one bit. He willingly went along with all of this and deserves equal blame as do the rest of the Bush administration behind the Iraq war.