Pot going up in smoke in California?

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BoomerD

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The majority of people I know are voting against this. The only ones I know who are voting for it are pot smokers.

I've supported the idea of legalized (and taxed and controlled) marijuana for decades. Unfortunately, I don't think Prop 19 is the right way to do it, nor does it contain enough regulations to make it truly profitable for Kahleeforneeya.
I also think there needs to be a MUCH more accurate means of testing to discriminate between the joint someone smoked last weekend in the privacy of their home, and the one they smoked 10 minutes ago while driving down the highway.
 

bfdd

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The majority of people I know are voting against this. The only ones I know who are voting for it are pot smokers.

I've supported the idea of legalized (and taxed and controlled) marijuana for decades. Unfortunately, I don't think Prop 19 is the right way to do it, nor does it contain enough regulations to make it truly profitable for Kahleeforneeya.
I also think there needs to be a MUCH more accurate means of testing to discriminate between the joint someone smoked last weekend in the privacy of their home, and the one they smoked 10 minutes ago while driving down the highway.

I know a lot of people who don't partake in marijuana are voting yes on it, some who do aren't.
 

xj0hnx

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A lot of people in the medical marijuana community are pushing NO on Prop 19. A lot of people I know who used to be FOR legalization are now against Prop 19 because their medical clinic told them to be. There are a lot of people profiting off the current system and they don't want to see it change. If Prop 19 doesn't pass I'll be a very sad panda.

Like most liberals, pretending to care until it cuts into their bottom line.

The whole idea of Prop 19 is weak, if you're going to legalize it, do it because free people have the right to do what they want to themselves. Fuck the nanny state.
 

Moonbeam

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If it passes then the profit margin drops significantly. Why would anyone growing and selling now want that ? I wouldn't be surprised if drug dealers are not paying people to vote no against it.

Yup, and the Republican growers are pissed as hell they will have to pay taxes. The little home farm Republicans are going to be swallowed by the big farm corporate growers. Everybody bends over for the rich. But I still think it won't pass.
 

bamacre

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I predicted it would fail because assholes don't like other people having fun and the ratio of assholes to fun lovers in tilted in favor of assholes.

And just the other day you were ridiculing people with "government is bad," "government is bad."
 

drebo

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This Prop NEEDS to pass. It is a pivitol law in regards to the future of our nation as a whole.
 

Painman

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I so hope that Prop. 19 passes in CA because I really want the wall to fully fall down here in MA. Partial decriminalization passed here 2 years ago by 66%. I refuse to buy illegal pot, but I'll enthusiastically grow it on the hill behind my house if I'm allowed.

Basically, I refuse to pay for it, period. It's a plant. just like my heirlooom tomatoes. I want to grow 3 or 4 varieties of pot every year, choose the ones I like most, and grow from there.
 

actuarial

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I also think there needs to be a MUCH more accurate means of testing to discriminate between the joint someone smoked last weekend in the privacy of their home, and the one they smoked 10 minutes ago while driving down the highway.

I've seen you say this numerous times on this forum, but really don't understand your view on this.

So if the test doesn't exist, what is currently being done to stop people who just smoked 10 minutes ago while driving? How does this law make it more likely people are going to drive stoned?

What is the situation in which, under the current law, someone would get arrested while driving stoned, but under the new law they would not?
 

bamacre

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I've seen you say this numerous times on this forum, but really don't understand your view on this.

He is saying peoples' rights have to wait for some imaginary product to come into existence. Imagine if the automobile had to wait for the speedometer.
 

alchemize

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It's only a matter of time. Either now, 2 years from now, 4 years from now. As the "reefer madness" (and heavily voting) generation dies off, this issue will continue to progress. There pretty much is nobody left on the anti-pot side at a national level anymore. It's only local moralists...

There are no logical arguments against it, they've all been refuted ad-naseum. So it's just waiting for enough old folks to die. Funny thing is, they are probably the population that would most benefit from it's medical usage.
 

Moonbeam

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It's only a matter of time. Either now, 2 years from now, 4 years from now. As the "reefer madness" (and heavily voting) generation dies off, this issue will continue to progress. There pretty much is nobody left on the anti-pot side at a national level anymore. It's only local moralists...

There are no logical arguments against it, they've all been refuted ad-naseum. So it's just waiting for enough old folks to die. Funny thing is, they are probably the population that would most benefit from it's medical usage.

You only have to read these forums to know there are plenty of younger imbeciles to take their place. You have to think about what's going to happen when humans run out of things to hate. And don't give me that logical argument crap. Logic has not does not and will not ever ever factor into what humans think or do.
 

Painman

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I, for one, am an impeccable driver while stoned.

Sometimes, if sufficiently buzzed, I just forget where I am, and/or where I was going... the actual process of driving never gets lost to me. Getting stoned actually makes me hyper-aware of the process.

I've also driven impeccably while high on LSD and/or Mescaline, in addition to Pot. I've had stoplights make faces at me, but I never mistook red for green.

It's funny. Driving high on LSD, I always felt a sense of complete and utter control over the process. It's just that the process itself seemed absurd.

Lots of things seem absurd while you're high on acid.

Maybe that's why the Gov't is so adamant against you taking any.
 

Saint Nick

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It was a good shot...now we have set a precedent and it will be even harder to pass the next time this comes around.
 

bfdd

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We really need to pass this, FUCK!! Maybe I'll go march around this weekend with a big sign saying "VOTE YES ON PROP 19!"
 

Mr. Lennon

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Keep in mind that most of these telephone polls aren't contacting the younger majority voting yes. I can't think of a single friend that owns an actual land line.
 

bamacre

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Keep in mind that most of these telephone polls aren't contacting the younger majority voting yes. I can't think of a single friend that owns an actual land line.

Are you sure about this? We do studies using land line and cell sample. Yes, you can order cell phone lists. :D
 

bfdd

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Keep in mind that most of these telephone polls aren't contacting the younger majority voting yes. I can't think of a single friend that owns an actual land line.

I don't own one Zeppelin. Like I have said though in almost every thread that has to do with this subject. There is a big movement of people who a few years ago would of voted yes on legalization in a heart beat who are now against Prop 19 because it cuts into their bottom line. A lot of Medical Marijuana clinics/collectives/whatever are making hand over fist money as are the growers. They charge street price or damn near close to street price for what is usually only slightly better product. These people have signs up and/or talk about voting no on Prop 19 whenever someone comes into a medical clinic. I have friends who have told me they are no longer voting yes on Prop 19 because they don't want the clinic to shut down, they think everything will go to shit. They don't understand we'd get the same quality buds for a much cheaper price and we wouldn't have to go into a designated store for it. We could pick up our cigaweed stogies at 7-11.
 

alchemize

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You only have to read these forums to know there are plenty of younger imbeciles to take their place. You have to think about what's going to happen when humans run out of things to hate. And don't give me that logical argument crap. Logic has not does not and will not ever ever factor into what humans think or do.
Death, the ultimate reset button. We're coming to the crossroads...might not be today, but very close...32% shift in my lifetime, 15 points in the past 8 years.


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Old folks, 68% oppose. Almost complete reverse of the young crowd:

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Interesting that women have such a big gap from men. I guess women prefer bars where men can buy them drinks?
 
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theeedude

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Don't count it out just yet:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/29/MN7O1G3MNR.DTL&tsp=1

Bernstein was so curious that on Oct. 13-14, the campaign ran side-by-side polls - one using live questioners, the other using automated voices. When a live person asked, 41 percent of the respondents favored legalizing pot, but when asked by an automated questioner, 56 percent said they supported legalization, according to the internal poll.

Among men, 42 percent told a live interviewer they backed legalization - but 61 percent backed legalizing dope to an automated questioner.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
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they will need everyone mellow when California breaks off in the Great Quake of 2012.
 

bamacre

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Here are some quick numbers from a recent study we did... (sorry for copy/paste formatting)

10. Now moving to a different topic.... As you may know, California's
Proposition 19 would legalize marijuana in the state, allowing
people age 21 or older to possess and cultivate small amounts for
personal use. It would also allow local governments to regulate
and tax commercial production, distribution, and sales of
marijuana.

Would you support or oppose a similar measure to legalize
marijuana IN YOUR STATE?

1) Support 434 43.2
2) Oppose 525 52.2
9) Don't know/Refused 46 4.6


11. Would you support or oppose a similar measure to legalize
marijuana NATIONWIDE?

1) Support 424 42.2
2) Oppose 534 53.1
9) Don't know/Refused 47 4.7



12. If you don't support legalizing marijuana generally, do you
support legalizing it to treat certain medical conditions -
sometimes referred to as "medical marijuana?"

1) Yes, support 360 64.2
2) No, do not 160 28.5
9) Don't know/Refused 41 7.3


13. If you knew that a marijuana legalization initiative were on the
ballot in your state, would that make you more likely to vote in
the election, or not?

1) Yes, would be more likely to vote 395 39.3
2) No, would not 569 56.6
9) Don't know/Refused 41 4.1



14. Suppose a candidate who shares your views on legalizing marijuana
was NOT from the political party whose candidates you usually
support. Would sharing a candidate's position on marijuana be
enough to make you switch parties and support them, or not?

1) Yes, would make me switch parties 184 18.3
2) No, would not 766 76.2
9) Don't know/Refused 55 5.5


15. If marijuana were legalized in your state, would you support or
oppose taxation of marijuana sales?

1) Support 755 75.1
2) Oppose 211 21.0
9) Don't know/Refused 39 3.9


16. If marijuana were legalized in your state, do you think crime
would increase or decrease - or stay about the same?

1) Increase 313 31.1
2) Decrease 227 22.6
3) Stay the same 415 41.3
9) Don't know/Refused 50 5.0


17a. Do you happen to live in the state of California, or somewhere
else?

1) Live in California (if R asks, includes anyone who lives 108 10.7
in CA part of the time)
2) Live elsewhere 891 88.7
9) Don't know/Refused 6 0.6


17b. If marijuana becomes legal in California, would you consider
taking a "marijuana tourism" trip to California, or not?

1) Yes, would 108 12.1
2) No, would not 771 86.5
9) Don't know/Refused 12 1.3


18. As you may know, Attorney General Eric Holder has said that even
if California votes to legalize recreational marijuana use on
November 2nd, he plans to "vigorously enforce" federal drug laws
in the state.

Would you support or oppose the federal government's right to
prosecute marijuana users in California, even if their use is
allowed under California law?

1) Support 346 34.4
2) Oppose 541 53.8
9) Don't know/Refused 118 11.7


19. Last month, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into
law a bill that will downgrade the possession of one ounce of
marijuana from a misdemeanor to an infraction similar to a traffic
ticket - punishable by a simple $100 fine and no arrest record.

Would you support or oppose a measure like this in your state,
even if marijuana remains illegal?

1) Support 551 54.8
2) Oppose 403 40.1
9) Don't know/Refused 51 5.1



20. In general, do you think government-funded health care should
cover treatment for marijuana dependence, or not?

1) Yes, should 347 34.5
2) No, should not 593 59.0
9) Don't know/Refused 65 6.5
 

airdata

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The majority of people I know are voting against this. The only ones I know who are voting for it are pot smokers.
Who all are obviously uninformed. How many of them drink and smoke cigarettes?

there needs to be a MUCH more accurate means of testing to discriminate between the joint someone smoked last weekend in the privacy of their home, and the one they smoked 10 minutes ago while driving down the highway.

This is one of the biggest factors w\ the legalization. But logically, this isn't pot's problem. This is a law enforcement problem. Just because they don't have means to properly test levels and determine if somebody is high or not, or how high they are... doesn't mean anything for pot's legality. This is a matter of "oh damn, we would have to do more work..."


Let's face it... people drive high all the time. With the widespread 'medical' useage in california, anybody who wants pot, has pot. And the roads have always been filled with stoners... many of whom are far safer drivers than a stone cold sober asshole swerving in and out of traffic just because they're in a hurry.
 

nonlnear

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They don't understand we'd get the same quality buds for a much cheaper price and we wouldn't have to go into a designated store for it. We could pick up our cigaweed stogies at 7-11.
I think the risk of national and international corporations getting in on the retailing pie directly is an overblown risk - until federal laws change. The retail landscape would definitely change, but I suspect the retailing will still be done by local (or at most statewide chain) stores.