Pot 'doubles mental health risk'

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housecat

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Originally posted by: IGBT
..I think that's the real question here..does a healthy mind look for and desire intoxication for recreational entertainment?

Only a spoiled one with too much time and money. Its much better to turn your efforts to things that build your life up.. not tear it down. Not only from the loss of computational skills and shot memory, but through getting in trouble with the law.

Its not worth it unless you have some real medical reason.
 

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Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: housecat
Originally posted by: IGBT
..is the need and desire to recreate with intoxication evidence of mental health problems??


Some people amaze me.
NO. It has only been shown in studies that SOME people affected by mental illness (such as bi-polar) will self medicate.

do you believe drugs CAUSED her problems? or that drug abuse was just another symptom of the problem. drugs are a great scapegoat, but in my experiences, people cause their own problems.

You're right. They do. They do illegal drugs and get picked up by the cops one too many times, they are meeting a big hairy white guy named Bobo with a fetish for dresses and men with wigs.

Participating in illegal acts is starting a real problem.... with the authorities.

But i guess we have way too many tough guys who dont take anything from authority.. laws are meaningless to the toughguy potheads.

Watch out police across america!!! A AT pothead isnt afraid of you!

And people who obey the laws of our nation, which are our elected officials.. we are just "ignorant" for believing in teh system..

Wow.

You are ignorant because you talk about subjects on which you obviously have no real knowledge or experience. You obviously have had very little social interaction with "potheads" or any other drug user. You talk like a very sheltered person.



Now you are acting as you are accusing me of. :disgust:

Like I said, I've had experiences in my lifetime where pot is NEEDED to ease pain, not to get high, which is not much different than being some 2cent strung out crackhead.

And my old roommate was bipolar and smoked pot, and his mother was the psychologist who taught us about this stuff.. kthxbye

Wow, one whole psychologist goes against the research findings of thousands of others?
Why, the consequences of that are something like...well...sampling a small amount of people and publishing vague results in a 40 dollar press release! Wow! What are the odds.

By the way, smoking has never been proven to cause bi-polar (or any other) disorder. If you know otherwise, please show me.
 

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Originally posted by: housecat
Only a spoiled one with too much time and money. Its much better to turn your efforts to things that build your life up.. not tear it down. Not only from the loss of computational skills and shot memory, but through getting in trouble with the law.

Its not worth it unless you have some real medical reason.

Everything you said above is the complete opposite of my life, and yet I still drink every weekend, and smoke on occasion. For some reason, that has yet to affect my memory, nor have I ever been in trouble with the law. Stop spouting off generalizations. Your bias is noted.
 

housecat

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Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: housecat
Only a spoiled one with too much time and money. Its much better to turn your efforts to things that build your life up.. not tear it down. Not only from the loss of computational skills and shot memory, but through getting in trouble with the law.

Its not worth it unless you have some real medical reason.

Everything you said above is the complete opposite of my life, and yet I still drink every weekend, and smoke on occasion. For some reason, that has yet to affect my memory, nor have I ever been in trouble with the law. Stop spouting off generalizations. Your bias is noted.

You are the exception, not the rule.

For every one of you, there are tons and tons of potheads out there with useless lives..

and at the very least, with what in life has pot HELPED you with?
Nothing.

Pot has never helped a single person. And if it did, you should see a DOCTOR for that.. they will help you if you are in pain.
 

housecat

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Originally posted by: Legendary
Originally posted by: housecat
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: housecat
Originally posted by: IGBT
..is the need and desire to recreate with intoxication evidence of mental health problems??


Some people amaze me.
NO. It has only been shown in studies that SOME people affected by mental illness (such as bi-polar) will self medicate.

do you believe drugs CAUSED her problems? or that drug abuse was just another symptom of the problem. drugs are a great scapegoat, but in my experiences, people cause their own problems.

You're right. They do. They do illegal drugs and get picked up by the cops one too many times, they are meeting a big hairy white guy named Bobo with a fetish for dresses and men with wigs.

Participating in illegal acts is starting a real problem.... with the authorities.

But i guess we have way too many tough guys who dont take anything from authority.. laws are meaningless to the toughguy potheads.

Watch out police across america!!! A AT pothead isnt afraid of you!

And people who obey the laws of our nation, which are our elected officials.. we are just "ignorant" for believing in teh system..

Wow.

You are ignorant because you talk about subjects on which you obviously have no real knowledge or experience. You obviously have had very little social interaction with "potheads" or any other drug user. You talk like a very sheltered person.



Now you are acting as you are accusing me of. :disgust:

Like I said, I've had experiences in my lifetime where pot is NEEDED to ease pain, not to get high, which is not much different than being some 2cent strung out crackhead.

And my old roommate was bipolar and smoked pot, and his mother was the psychologist who taught us about this stuff.. kthxbye

Wow, one whole psychologist goes against the research findings of thousands of others?
Why, the consequences of that are something like...well...sampling a small amount of people and publishing vague results in a 40 dollar press release! Wow! What are the odds.

By the way, smoking has never been proven to cause bi-polar (or any other) disorder. If you know otherwise, please show me.


Wow you dont read well.

I never said it causes bi-polar disorder, I said people like my old roommate have been known to self-medicate with it.

Read first, then type.
 

SacrosanctFiend

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Originally posted by: housecat
You are the exception, not the rule.

For every one of you, there are tons and tons of potheads out there with useless lives..

and at the very least, with what in life has pot HELPED you with?
Nothing.

Pot has never helped a single person. And if it did, you should see a DOCTOR for that.. they will help you if you are in pain.

I've had fun. It hasn't hindered my friends or I. We've all been accepted to the medical school/law school/graduate school of our choice. I think what you should say is that there are tons of degenerates who smoke pot, not that smoking pot causes you to be a degenerate. 33% of America, over the age of 12, has smoked/smokes pot. A significant amount of them are not "useless potheads."
 

housecat

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I'm a college graduate who made it without smoking pot. What I'm saying is that its not crucial to your success and in NO WAY helps you achieve those goals of yours.

But if you had fun, I'm happy for you... I just wouldnt suggest getting caught.

I have smoked pot, its illegal and wrong. Period. Yeah, I was wrong, and you were wrong.

But then I had friends who thought it was cool to huff things, try a little acid ect... basically I believe pot does NOTHING positive for us, and can ONLY be possibly a gateway drug.
People love to deny that, but its hard too.. people who are willing to do pot are much more willing to try other drugs and you cannot deny this.

Those who dont want to do pot, def wont be stupid enough to do X, speed, whatever else is out there.

I'm just against illegal activity in general, it wont help your life.. and neither will any of these banned substances.

You think the gov't is hiding some killer mind bending experience from you? They arent.
 

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Originally posted by: housecat

Yeah you said it best there. Those comparisons are ludicrous.

Smoking pot freely just isnt on the majority of the American populations agenda for things to do.

Very true that pot itself isn't on the average joes agenda, however it is interesting that the side effects of prohibiting pot and other drugs are. Too bad so many folks mistakingly think drug use is the main cause of all the violence and gang crime when it is more so the effect of having an unregulated black market that rewards criminal behavior. Apparently we forgot the lesson alcohol prohibition taught us long ago.

Originally posted by: housecat
Pretty stupid to have a "smoke in" like Rosa Parks had a sit in.
Or a violent reaction like the revolutionary war.

Could you REALLY see a bunch of guys, high as a kite, attacking the US military? :p

There could be merit in your words though...Maybe in this day and age, a little "peace pipe" action is what we need?

Dropping a boatload of the chronic over Iran, North Korea and Iraq might do the people some good..

heck, we wouldnt have had to take out Saddam if we'd just gotten him some good weed..

:D

Thats the answer, islamic terrorists just need to "mellow out" like their american counterparts! :D

I may be mistaken here, but I think pot in the form of hashish is quite common in some islamic countries like afghanistan. I remember watching a show on travel channel where some reporter was travelling in afghanistan to meet some famous mujahadeen leader. The reporter was jokingly worried he would never get to his destination since the driver of his bus/truck was high as a kite and driving like 4mph.

Also I think most of the modern "potent" indoor pot strains can be traced back to afghanistan hash plants.
 

housecat

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I cant really speak for potheads in the islamic world.. so i'll leave it at that, I just think they could mellow out. maybe since they smoke pot its linked to extreme violence???!!!
ya, prob not.

If people in the middle east do pot, look at their lives.. its even more of a reason to NOT do drugs..


Very true that pot itself isn't on the average joes agenda, however it is interesting that the side effects of prohibiting pot and other drugs are. Too bad so many folks mistakingly think drug use is the main cause of all the violence and gang crime when it is more so the effect of having an unregulated black market that rewards criminal behavior. Apparently we forgot the lesson alcohol prohibition taught us long ago.

I dont think its the cause of violence or whatever.. I just think it adds NOTHIGN productive to anyones life. It can only hurt, or be a gateway drug to some nice extraveaneous needle drugs!!! Then someone can end up like Alice In Chains old lead singer with half his teeth missing and lesions all over his skin from injecting the needle into the same place over and over again. Not a fun way to go out. Even for a rock star.

Alchohol has a deep cultural root for caucasian people, the USA being a caucasian founded nation itself.. will never let go of its alchohol. Pot on the other hand, is mistrusted and not accepted by modern Americans. I'm no expert, but thats the only thing I can pull up.. alchohol is a deep rooted evil in the Wests history..

you wont get rid of it, and you wont get anywhere with anyone using it as an example.
Its accepted, pot isnt. Get over it.
 

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Originally posted by: hevnsnt
Smoking cannabis virtually doubles the risk of developing mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, researchers say.

The New Zealand scientists said their study suggested this was probably due to chemical changes in the brain which resulted from smoking the drug.

The study, published in the journal Addiction, followed over 1,000 people born in 1977 for 25 years.

UK mental health campaigners said it was more evidence of a "drug-induced mental health crisis".

The researchers, from the University of Otago, interviewed people taking part in the Christchurch Health and Development Study about their cannabis use at the ages of 18, 21 and 25.


This is the latest in long line of international research over the last 12 months that shows we are facing a drug-induced mental health crisis
Paul Corry, Rethink,

They were also interviewed about various aspects of their mental health.

The scientists found psychotic symptoms were more common among cannabis users.

They analysed their findings to take into account of the possibility that their illness encouraged people to use more cannabis, rather than the drug contributing to their condition.

But the researchers said the link was not likely to be due to people with mental illness having a greater wish to smoke cannabis.

Instead, they said cannabis may increase the chances of a person suffering psychosis by causing chemical changes to the brain.

The researchers also took into account factors such as family history, current mental disorders, and illicit substance abuse.

'Growing evidence'

The scientists, led by Professor David Fergusson, said it was likely cannabis use increased the chances of a person suffering psychosis by causing chemical changes to the brain.

Writing in Addiction, he added: "Even when all factors were taken into account, there was a clear increase in rates of psychotic symptoms after the start of regular use.

"These findings add to the growing body of evidence from different sources, all of which suggest that heavy use of cannabis may lead to increased risk of psychotic symptoms and disease in susceptible individuals."

Paul Corry, of the mental health charity Rethink, said: "This is the latest in long line of international research over the last 12 months that shows we are facing a drug-induced mental health crisis.

"Rethink is renewing its call to the Health Select Committee to investigate the latest research into the link between cannabis use and severe mental illness.

"We need action from the Department of Health and we need it now if we are to avoid the risk of tens of thousands of young people developing a severe mental illness in the future."

The Department of Health has said it will review all academic and clinical studies linking cannabis use to mental health problems.
Lunk

I bet pot gets you laid though, I know which I'd choose.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: housecat
I'm a college graduate who made it without smoking pot. What I'm saying is that its not crucial to your success and in NO WAY helps you achieve those goals of yours.

But if you had fun, I'm happy for you... I just wouldnt suggest getting caught.

I have smoked pot, its illegal and wrong. Period. Yeah, I was wrong, and you were wrong.

But then I had friends who thought it was cool to huff things, try a little acid ect... basically I believe pot does NOTHING positive for us, and can ONLY be possibly a gateway drug.
People love to deny that, but its hard too.. people who are willing to do pot are much more willing to try other drugs and you cannot deny this.

Those who dont want to do pot, def wont be stupid enough to do X, speed, whatever else is out there.

I'm just against illegal activity in general, it wont help your life.. and neither will any of these banned substances.

You think the gov't is hiding some killer mind bending experience from you? They arent.

So you'd be against all those people that helped out blacks during the time of the Jim Crow laws, or when slavery was legalized? It is a comparison on two different levels, but it does help to illustrate a point. Just because something is illegal, doesn't mean it should be. It also doesn't mean it's immoral.

Things such as television, video games, etc. Have they helped peoples lives? Have they done something positive for us? Guess we should get rid of them too?

EDIT: As far as legaliztion occurring, it ain't gonna happen There's too many people that are scared into thinking pot is the devil, and that it's going to cause us to eat our children and kill orphans in a drug-enduced high. PACs and other groups have too much power for there to be a realistic chance of legalizing mary jane.
 

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Originally posted by: housecat
If people in the middle east do pot, look at their lives.. its even more of a reason to NOT do drugs..

Haha I can't believe you just said that. :roll:

I dont think its the cause of violence or whatever.. I just think it adds NOTHIGN productive to anyones life.

In memory of Bill Hicks I suggest you throw out every good cd/album in your music collection NOW! :p

It can only hurt, or be a gateway drug to some nice extraveaneous needle drugs!!! Then someone can end up like Alice In Chains old lead singer with half his teeth missing and lesions all over his skin from injecting the needle into the same place over and over again. Not a fun way to go out. Even for a rock star.

The gateway theory is total BS. It is a legacy of ignorant reefer madness that is not accepted. Get over it.

Alchohol has a deep cultural root for caucasian people, the USA being a caucasian founded nation itself.. will never let go of its alchohol. Pot on the other hand, is mistrusted and not accepted by modern Americans. I'm no expert, but thats the only thing I can pull up.. alchohol is a deep rooted evil in the Wests history..

you wont get rid of it, and you wont get anywhere with anyone using it as an example.
Its accepted, pot isnt. Get over it.

That is such BS to claim alcohol is ok because europeans have been using it forever and therefore it can't be compared to pot.

You will never get rid of pot either, it's been used by people for thousands of years too.

 

housecat

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Originally posted by: hscorpio
Originally posted by: housecat
If people in the middle east do pot, look at their lives.. its even more of a reason to NOT do drugs..

Haha I can't believe you just said that. :roll:

I dont think its the cause of violence or whatever.. I just think it adds NOTHIGN productive to anyones life.

In memory of Bill Hicks I suggest you throw out every good cd/album in your music collection NOW! :p

It can only hurt, or be a gateway drug to some nice extraveaneous needle drugs!!! Then someone can end up like Alice In Chains old lead singer with half his teeth missing and lesions all over his skin from injecting the needle into the same place over and over again. Not a fun way to go out. Even for a rock star.

The gateway theory is total BS. It is a legacy of ignorant reefer madness that is not accepted. Get over it.

Alchohol has a deep cultural root for caucasian people, the USA being a caucasian founded nation itself.. will never let go of its alchohol. Pot on the other hand, is mistrusted and not accepted by modern Americans. I'm no expert, but thats the only thing I can pull up.. alchohol is a deep rooted evil in the Wests history..

you wont get rid of it, and you wont get anywhere with anyone using it as an example.
Its accepted, pot isnt. Get over it.

That is such BS to claim alcohol is ok because europeans have been using it forever and therefore it can't be compared to pot.

You will never get rid of pot either, it's been used by people for thousands of years too.


It hasnt been used by europeans in the same frequency that alchohol has. Not even close! Its totally true. They cant be compared at all.

And its not a gateway drug? How many people that have died from ODing do you think tried pot, and how many of those jumped straight into heroin?

And dude, there is no credible source that says drugs= great music. Ya jimi jackass and billy bob buttmunch might have used drugs.. but you have NO IDEA thats why, and neither do they.. they are talented musicians who happened to used drugs.
Unless you are going to sit here and tell me that all of arts accomplishments are not to any person's credit, but most the adoration and affection should be towards the glorious drug which unleashes this talent.
You guys are absolutely hilarious, and bitter at that.

Its unfortunate they didnt live longer like Layne Staley or Hendrix.
Surely, Hendrix couldve produced much more music than he did in short life had he avoided drugs and alchohol.

If anything, you should throw every cd away YOU have now becuase of the TREMEMDOUS talent that drugs have taken AWAY from us!!

In the end, you are wrong man.. no way does drugs help anyone or anything. Period. It killed Hendrix and you attribute musical genius to drugs.. ya right pal.

Go take some X and write me Mozarts 9th symphony.. oh wait, its not the drugs.. is it.

Quit posting crap.
 

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In response to the OP article, I think this is one of the more serious dangers of pot. Not that I agree totally with the article but I think pot probably helps trigger schizophrenia in some people already predisposed to it. I think they really need to adress the issue of what causes what with more detail.

Sadly we've been lied to so much about pot that we automatically distrust any "scientific" study claiming new pot dangers. I just think there might be something to this whole schizo connection, though I doubt it is anywhere near as dangerous as some would like us to think. Can't alcohol trigger psychosis when abused? No one ever thinks twice about that though, maybe its a similar kind of rarity with pot and schizo.
 

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Milk is a gateway drug

I wonder how many people that died from overdosing drank milk.
 

housecat

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Originally posted by: ribbon13
Milk is a gateway drug

I wonder how many people that died from overdosing drank milk.

Yeah besides milk is not a drug.. but sure, be ignorant.

You potheads can be kinda dense, anything to make excuses that its ok to get your next fix

drug Audio pronunciation of "drug" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (drg)
n.

1.
1. A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication.
2. Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.
2. A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.
3. Obsolete. A chemical or dye.

Yeah, from consulting the genius pothead crowd, I've found that people have been having central nervous problems from all that milk drinking. And those changes in behavior, like sleepiness and drowsiness.. possibly a sick stomach which leads to bed-ridden behavior.

And the addiction! Oh the addiction. It NEVER stops, once you take a shot of that sweet white liquid you just cannot stop until the day you die.
Its horrible.

It often leads to orange juice drinking, or the consumption of buttered toast... the horror!
 

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Originally posted by: housecat
I'm a college graduate who made it without smoking pot. What I'm saying is that its not crucial to your success and in NO WAY helps you achieve those goals of yours.

But if you had fun, I'm happy for you... I just wouldnt suggest getting caught.

I have smoked pot, its illegal and wrong. Period. Yeah, I was wrong, and you were wrong.

But then I had friends who thought it was cool to huff things, try a little acid ect... basically I believe pot does NOTHING positive for us, and can ONLY be possibly a gateway drug.
People love to deny that, but its hard too.. people who are willing to do pot are much more willing to try other drugs and you cannot deny this.

Those who dont want to do pot, def wont be stupid enough to do X, speed, whatever else is out there.

I'm just against illegal activity in general, it wont help your life.. and neither will any of these banned substances.

You think the gov't is hiding some killer mind bending experience from you? They arent.

dood, so are you saying that you shouldnt do anything thats not crucial to help you achieve whatever you may be looking for?

ie. watching tv...movies..listening to music...going out and sitting in the park just enjoying the sun....cause afterall youre not doing anything that helps you "achieve your goals"

so are you saying that alcohol should be illegal like pot because it doesnt help you achieve your goals...what are goals, if you are miserable your whole life.

edit: people like to be social and have a good time during life...and pot can be a social thing where you just relax and have a good time with buddies and such...cause we are social animals and we like to have leisure.
 

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No need to be a rude prick.
Originally posted by: housecat

It hasnt been used by europeans in the same frequency that alchohol has. Not even close! Its totally true. They cant be compared at all.

They can easily be compared. They have both been used for long periods by different populations. They are both drugs that change your mental state. They have both been prohibited at different times by different peoples for similar reasons. I can understand people not wanting to compare them though, since alcohol comes out rather unfavorably when you do an unbiased comparison.

And its not a gateway drug? How many people that have died from ODing do you think tried pot, and how many of those jumped straight into heroin?

How many of those same poeple tried alcohol or nicotine before they even tried pot? Like so said: Correlation is not Causation! The gateway theory is junk science. It makes you look foolish to try and base an argument on it.

And dude, there is no credible source that says drugs= great music. Ya jimi jackass and billy bob buttmunch might have used drugs.. but you have NO IDEA thats why, and neither do they.. they are talented musicians who happened to used drugs.
Its unfortunate they didnt live longer like Layne Staley or Hendrix.
Surely, Hendrix couldve produced much more music than he did in short life had he avoided drugs and alchohol.

If anything, you should throw every cd away YOU have now becuase of the TREMEMDOUS talent that drugs have taken AWAY from us!!

Obviously your not a fan of Bill Hicks or the :p icon.

In the end, you are wrong man.. no way does drugs help anyone or anything. Period. It killed Hendrix and you attribute musical genius to drugs.. ya right pal.

Go take some X and write me Mozarts 9th symphony.. oh wait, its not the drugs.. is it.

It was a joke genius.

Quit posting crap.

Quit being a rude prick.


 

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Obviously a particular feline is lacking the mental capacity to understand sardonics...

You know dihydrogen monoxide is a drug too. It can lead to hyponatremia which will cause hallucinations.
 

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Wow, I see the March drug thread is growing nicely :p On the "gateway drug" theory - what would proponents say if presented with the fact that about 2% of MJ users go on to harder drugs? It's nothing more than propaganda. On music, MJ use corellates with brainwave patterns which in turn corellate with creativity and art. There's definitely something to it, though you really don't need science to tell you this. Just your ears :)
 

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Wow, I see the March drug thread is growing nicely :p On the "gateway drug" theory - what would proponents say if presented with the fact that about 2% of MJ users go on to harder drugs? It's nothing more than propaganda. On music, MJ use corellates with brainwave patterns which in turn corellate with creativity and art. There's definitely something to it, though you really don't need science to tell you this. Just your ears :)

They would of course just ignore it and continue to foolishly point out that how most heroin users tried pot first blah blah blah.


 

housecat

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Originally posted by: hscorpio
No need to be a rude prick.
Originally posted by: housecat

It hasnt been used by europeans in the same frequency that alchohol has. Not even close! Its totally true. They cant be compared at all.

They can easily be compared. They have both been used for long periods by different populations. They are both drugs that change your mental state. They have both been prohibited at different times by different peoples for similar reasons. I can understand people not wanting to compare them though, since alcohol comes out rather unfavorably when you do an unbiased comparison.

And its not a gateway drug? How many people that have died from ODing do you think tried pot, and how many of those jumped straight into heroin?

How many of those same poeple tried alcohol or nicotine before they even tried pot? Like so said: Correlation is not Causation! The gateway theory is junk science. It makes you look foolish to try and base an argument on it.

And dude, there is no credible source that says drugs= great music. Ya jimi jackass and billy bob buttmunch might have used drugs.. but you have NO IDEA thats why, and neither do they.. they are talented musicians who happened to used drugs.
Its unfortunate they didnt live longer like Layne Staley or Hendrix.
Surely, Hendrix couldve produced much more music than he did in short life had he avoided drugs and alchohol.

If anything, you should throw every cd away YOU have now becuase of the TREMEMDOUS talent that drugs have taken AWAY from us!!

Obviously your not a fan of Bill Hicks or the :p icon.

In the end, you are wrong man.. no way does drugs help anyone or anything. Period. It killed Hendrix and you attribute musical genius to drugs.. ya right pal.

Go take some X and write me Mozarts 9th symphony.. oh wait, its not the drugs.. is it.

It was a joke genius.

Quit posting crap.

Quit being a rude prick.


OOOooo I touched a soft spot!

LOL ok.
Well when the arguments stop being so damn ridiculous I wont slam you guys on your faces on them.

You sound the most intelligent by far compared to the others.. but I still think there are numerous holes in your logic.. as I'm sure there are in mine as well.

They can easily be compared. They have both been used for long periods by different populations. They are both drugs that change your mental state. They have both been prohibited at different times by different peoples for similar reasons. I can understand people not wanting to compare them though, since alcohol comes out rather unfavorably when you do an unbiased comparison.
Yeah thats true. When you take them out of a historical context for Western nations.
But are you goign to convince the American people that thousands of years of Western culture is wrong, and you are right? Doubt it.

I for one, think lines need to be drawn SOMEWHERE.. and I'm fine with the lines that have been decided over thousands of years of experimentation by Western societys..

I'm sorry you live in agony due to this. There are a few Western cultures goign beyond their roots like Canada and Holland that will accomodate you.

But you'll never get the USA to change its laws... if it was going to be done, it'd been done in the hippy heyday and very liberal decades that succeeded it..

now things are backlashing hard right.. this is just reality. You'll NEVER get it changed now, not for a long long time if ever.



How many of those same poeple tried alcohol or nicotine before they even tried pot? Like so said: Correlation is not Causation! The gateway theory is junk science. It makes you look foolish to try and base an argument on it.
It was a simple question that you did not answer. How many people that have died from ODing on drugs have tried pot, my so-called gateway drug.. and how many have jumped straight into heroin?

People HATE the "gateway" drug theory, because its damning for their lifestyle of getting a constant tweak or fix.. but it might be true. Im not an expert on it. I doubt you are either.

It was a joke genius.
Well it sure seemed to me you were attributing drugs to musical genius like most drug advocates always do.


But at the end of the day, drugs and alchohol have destroyed more lives than they've encriched.. if you cant admit that you are being disingenous.
 

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Originally posted by: housecat
OOOooo I touched a soft spot!
Hey I don't care what you do with your finger while your posting on ATOT, just spare me the details.
LOL ok.
Well when the arguments stop being so damn ridiculous I wont slam you guys on your faces on them.

You sound the most intelligent by far compared to the others.. but I still think there are numerous holes in your logic.. as I'm sure there are in mine as well.

Considering the fact that you you can't distinguish between slamming and getting slammed, in your terms, I would have to say that the only hole here is the one between your ears.

They can easily be compared. They have both been used for long periods by different populations. They are both drugs that change your mental state. They have both been prohibited at different times by different peoples for similar reasons. I can understand people not wanting to compare them though, since alcohol comes out rather unfavorably when you do an unbiased comparison.

Yeah thats true. When you take them out of a historical context for Western nations.
But are you goign to convince the American people that thousands of years of Western culture is wrong, and you are right? Doubt it.

I for one, think lines need to be drawn SOMEWHERE.. and I'm fine with the lines that have been decided over thousands of years of experimentation by Western societys..

As you know pot is relatively new to western society, especially as an intoxicant. We started off on the right foot, using the plant effectively for both drug and non drug uses. It wasn't until the 1920-30's that pot got a bad rep. And if you ever research the claims used as a basis for it's bad rep maybe you would tute your horn to a different tune. Just because you think it is an american tradition to frown on pot based on ignorant information doesn't make it right. There has been a lot of change since the reefer madness era. As people get more educated on the subject there will be even more change. Only time will tell.

I'm sorry you live in agony due to this. There are a few Western cultures goign beyond their roots like Canada and Holland that will accomodate you.

I hate to do this since it's more fun when people think they are arguing with a pot head, but here goes. I don't smoke pot. Surprise surprise there are actually people who oppose pot prohibition that don't smoke it. Yes I've tried it probably about 10 times in high school, it just wasn't my thing, neither is alcohol.

But you'll never get the USA to change its laws... if it was going to be done, it'd been done in the hippy heyday and very liberal decades that succeeded it..

now things are backlashing hard right.. this is just reality. You'll NEVER get it changed now, not for a long long time if ever.

It has been done and it is being done. Stop giving up so easily :).


It was a simple question that you did not answer. How many people that have died from ODing on drugs have tried pot, my so-called gateway drug.. and how many have jumped straight into heroin?

I'll answer yours then you answer mine. I bet over 90% of all heroin users tried pot first. Now your turn: How many people that have died from ODing on heroin have tried alcohol? Also How many pot smokers go on to OD on "drugs"?



People HATE the "gateway" drug theory, because its damning for their lifestyle of getting a constant tweak or fix.. but it might be true. Im not an expert on it. I doubt you are either.

I hate the gate way theory because it is illogical and a relic of the reefer madness era. I urge you to seriously look into it and when and why it was first used. You probably have no idea what I'm talking about though.

It was a joke genius.
Well it sure seemed to me you were attributing drugs to musical genius like most drug advocates always do.


But at the end of the day, drugs and alchohol have destroyed more lives than they've encriched.. if you cant admit that you are being disingenous.

You must distinguish between "drugs" and pot. I would argue that pot has enriched more lives than its destroyed. Heroin, meth, crack and even alcohol on the other hand have hurt more than they've helped I would guess.
Edit- well maybe pot hasn't really enriched lives, I just think it hasn't really hurt anyone, and has benefited some people usually in terms of it's medicinal uses. Just getting high might help some people in moderation by helping them relax like a beer after work or glass of wine does, but it doesn't enrich every pot heads lives, if that makes any sense.

 

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You must distinguish between "drugs" and pot. I would argue that pot has enriched more lives than its destroyed. Heroin, meth, crack and even alcohol on the other hand have hurt more than they've helped I would guess.
That is total ****. You might argue that pot has enriched more lives, but thats about it.
I dont think any of these things are good, in nearly anyway. Yes even alchohol. Its for human beings with brains they dont mind burning up. Alchohol kills brain cells, and I'm sure those mind altering drugs dont leave brain cells perfectly untouched when they give you that high, either.

I hate the gate way theory because it is illogical and a relic of the reefer madness era. I urge you to seriously look into it and when and why it was first used. You probably have no idea what I'm talking about though.
Yeah, but that doesnt mean people dont attack the theory because it threatens their need to get drugs and get high. It doesnt help them with their end goal of getting something to take them out of their internal misery. So the gateway theory in all its incarnations must go.
I'm not so quick to toss it out, just to please some guy who wants a fix.
And pointing to that silly movie reefer madness means nothing.. that "era" holds just as much credibility as a bunch of potheads (and their defenders) on a forums surely. Yeah, which ranges from slim to none.. but still, its just as credible. :)

I'll answer yours then you answer mine. I bet over 90% of all heroin users tried pot first. Now your turn: How many people that have died from ODing on heroin have tried alcohol? Also How many pot smokers go on to OD on "drugs"?
I'm sure everyone who has OD'd on heroin has drank.
But whats the point? I'm not particularly defending alchohol in anyway, its just accepted in Western Society, thats something you and I and everyone else has to live with. Its a fact.
I'm saying that using alchohol as leverage to validate pot, wont work. For those reasons.

As far as how many pot smokers go on OD on "drugs".. I'm not sure what the question is, but I think "drugs" in this question is alluding to if they never went beyond pot. Well, the worst I've heard is a guy smoked so much till he couldnt get up off the floor until it wore off.
But there are alot of guys I've met who smoke all the time that sure seem pretty damn stupid.
"Smoked yourself stupid", ever heard that one? Yeah I think it happens.

It has been done and it is being done. Stop giving up so easily .
No, its not being done. Its been done? Since when was pot supported for mass use by the US Gov't?

I hate to do this since it's more fun when people think they are arguing with a pot head, but here goes. I don't smoke pot. Surprise surprise there are actually people who oppose pot prohibition that don't smoke it. Yes I've tried it probably about 10
That wasnt the zinger you intended it to be, I figured you werent a pothead. You had a bit too much dedication to a single task for one :D
But you take their side in this debate, which is your progative.
Now, when you have kids you better let them smoke pot all the time if they want to. Since you think its OK. Report back in 10-20 yrs when you have those teenagers and tell me how you feel Dr. Feelgood. :D :D :D :D

Anyway, you got into personal attacks.. which are unnecessary and I wont grace that with a response


And back to this one quick:
You must distinguish between "drugs" and pot. I would argue that pot has enriched more lives than its destroyed. Heroin, meth, crack and even alcohol on the other hand have hurt more than they've helped I would guess.
yeah, pot might not have any immediate effects that are out of this world.. but you and I dont know the longterm effects, or what it might trigger as far as cancer or dementia related illnesses.
Let alone the cancer that the unfiltered joints CAUSES in a body. IIRC a single joint is equal to a pack of cigarretes or a carton as far as pollutants.

There are WAY to many unknowns and KNOWNS, even street people know that "hey bill smoked himself stupid!" know better than THAT. It is not harmless by any means.
It might not immediately be any more harmful to other people (other than the smoke) than alchohol, but again, the longterm effects are unknown and like I've said.. you wont get the laws changed anyway.. but I admire dedication to any task, so go ahead and work on it.