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Actually it is a common misconception that 2kpro and XP are almost identical, there are some significant enhancements that came along with the XP kernel Here they are
The minimum system specs for WMV HD playback require XP based OS, and for optimal 1080p 5.1 playback MP10 and a 128mb vid card. I believe the reason his system still won't play it well in MP9 *which doesn't offer as many advanced controls in 2kpro BTW* is that I have a 64mb GF3 in his system. The other players only hitch a couple times when it starts then smooth out, but MP9 is as choppy as the waves during a hurricane here, and I have use overlays unchecked.
Ok, just to decided to play the video to see what's the big deal. Specs are:
XP-M @ 2.5ghz
1gig ram
128mb radeon 9800pro --> xt @ 450/365
Win XP pro SP1
I'm using WMP8, that came with WinXp, and the video plays smooth without any frames dropped, using overlays, but the cpu hovers around 80%. I don't know if using a newer/different video player might make a difference, but I suspect newer versions have a lot of additional bloat with all the crap I don't need.
XP-M @ 2.5ghz
1gig ram
128mb radeon 9800pro --> xt @ 450/365
Win XP pro SP1
I'm using WMP8, that came with WinXp, and the video plays smooth without any frames dropped, using overlays, but the cpu hovers around 80%. I don't know if using a newer/different video player might make a difference, but I suspect newer versions have a lot of additional bloat with all the crap I don't need.
munky, your results are what they should be given your specs. It is the high CPU usage and need for a fast CPU that inspired me to start this thread way back in July of last year.
if you check "use overlays", that *can* improve performance greatly. yes, I know there are some improvements to the XP kernel but not neccesarily to improve video performance. it's possible, but I highly doubt WinXP is the only operating system that can play that video. it comes down to raw number-crunching performance for decoding speed. the only reason your GF3 would be lackluster is if it lacked DXVA[DirectX Video Acceleration] (it probably does), which is analogus to PureVideo on the newer GF6 cards, except PureVideo will increase performance further yet. by the way they also say you need WM9, which isn't true either, according to this guy. however you will need WM9 HD codecs.
Do you remember which controls MP9 lacked under 2k versus under xp? I'm curious. If other players can play it under 2k, then it's fine...DXVA is the limiting factor here, not the operating system.
Thanks for being helpful and polite knight :beer: Here is what the advanced options looks like pic I installed all the applicable CODECs here Now, according to nV they have the HDVP on all their GPUs since the GF2 GTS and the .pdf shows all the formats including 1080p are supported link
It plays the 720p version perfectly so it certainly seems like MP9 specific issue given the other players do much better. Here are the specs of the system again-
XP-M@2.5ghz
36gb raptor
2x256 DDR2700 synch mode
NF7-S 4.23 Forcewares
GF3 64mb FW enabled 44.03's and 66.93's tried so far *tried setting the aperture size from 64mb-128mb-256mb but no change.
MP9 all necessary CODECs installed
I am a PITA sometimes, so to further debate the OS topic 😀 While you are right about the fact that the OS shouldn't effect the ability to play the media, as evidenced in this thread and the fact other players do better for me in w2kpro. If the DLLs for MP10 don't work with previous versions of MP or other players, then to get WMV HD hardware acceleration from PureVideo you will need an OS that MP10 can be installed on. Which means the OS will become a factor in playback, at least where the PVP assist is concerned. Yeah I know, STFU already because that isn't what you were on about 😛
It plays the 720p version perfectly so it certainly seems like MP9 specific issue given the other players do much better. Here are the specs of the system again-
XP-M@2.5ghz
36gb raptor
2x256 DDR2700 synch mode
NF7-S 4.23 Forcewares
GF3 64mb FW enabled 44.03's and 66.93's tried so far *tried setting the aperture size from 64mb-128mb-256mb but no change.
MP9 all necessary CODECs installed
I am a PITA sometimes, so to further debate the OS topic 😀 While you are right about the fact that the OS shouldn't effect the ability to play the media, as evidenced in this thread and the fact other players do better for me in w2kpro. If the DLLs for MP10 don't work with previous versions of MP or other players, then to get WMV HD hardware acceleration from PureVideo you will need an OS that MP10 can be installed on. Which means the OS will become a factor in playback, at least where the PVP assist is concerned. Yeah I know, STFU already because that isn't what you were on about 😛
XP has HT enabled whereas 2000 does not. Huge difference when using an Intel HT CPU otherwise none. Other than that it is the decoder and filter used and less so the viddy card. The player has virtually no effect outside of the ability to choose/configure the decoder and filters. That is why MPC is much better than WMP, not because it uses less memory or such 'cause that doesn't matter.
I also ran the video on my brother's rig, and surprisigly his dropped frames even though his machine is newer than mine. His specs:
A64 3200
1 gig ram
128mb 6600gt
Win XP pro
wmp9
His cpu usage was around 80-90%, slightly higher than mine, even though he has a A64 and I'm using a XP-M. Also, he dropped about 8-10 frames during playback, and you could see some hickups when it was playing. I thought it was kinda weird, since his 6600gt is actually supposed to help with decoding, I don't know what the deal is. I'm using wmp8 on my machine and it works fine; this makes me even more reluctant to "upgrade" to wmp9.
A64 3200
1 gig ram
128mb 6600gt
Win XP pro
wmp9
His cpu usage was around 80-90%, slightly higher than mine, even though he has a A64 and I'm using a XP-M. Also, he dropped about 8-10 frames during playback, and you could see some hickups when it was playing. I thought it was kinda weird, since his 6600gt is actually supposed to help with decoding, I don't know what the deal is. I'm using wmp8 on my machine and it works fine; this makes me even more reluctant to "upgrade" to wmp9.
His 6600GT can't help yet, because a patch/DLLs is needed, and evidently will only be for MP10, at least at first. This thread started because we were wondering about the PVP AKA PureVideo last year, and wanted to see if/when the WMV HD support went active. In the process it became evident that using MP9 as the default player you needed a fast AMD setup to get flawless playback. I think just about all the P4s tested, and especially the ones with HT had no problems though.
sharkeeper
Lifer
I've never had an issue playing these clips. Dunno why everyone else does!
Never see more than 20% on the cpu ladder!
Never see more than 20% on the cpu ladder!
You have a dual Xeon with SCSI don't ya braddah?
imported_g33k
Senior member
I tried running the HD stepping into liquid video on the machines at work. These are the specs:
PIII 800mhz Coppermine
256k PC133 RAM
Onboard intel video
The video doesnt even move. It just stays stuck on one frame with 100% cpu usage! I'll have to try this out on my rig at home. I love new technology. 😀
PIII 800mhz Coppermine
256k PC133 RAM
Onboard intel video
The video doesnt even move. It just stays stuck on one frame with 100% cpu usage! I'll have to try this out on my rig at home. I love new technology. 😀
You should try the 720p versionfor sh!ts&giggles and see how it does. BTW, what player and OS? You may need another player or CODEC to even give the 720p a chance.
sharkeeper
Lifer
Yes as a matter of fact I do.
Of course it doesn't do me any good here for playing videos. 😛
OTOH my XPS lappie would probably handle it fine.
Of course it doesn't do me any good here for playing videos. 😛
OTOH my XPS lappie would probably handle it fine.
😀 Cool cam placement.
imported_g33k
Senior member
The rig in my sig played the liquid video flawlessly. Although, I got on average ~70% cpu usage. I don't know why it so taxing, I really didnt see a big visual improvement over mpeg-2.
Those PIII's at work (win xp and WMP9) will most likely not be playing even the 720p file. But, I will probably try it for sh!ts and giggles. 😀
sharkeeper
Lifer
On an unrelated note, when is WMP going to have a slider that works? I would like to be able to lock and drag the slider and see the video in real time like 6.4 did. Even Quicktime does this. :roll:
Megatomic
Lifer
I'd like that too sharkeeper. I hate having to wait in real time for a portion of the video that I want to repeat.
So, while I'm here, has there been any news from MS regarding the long awaited patch to allow WMVHD acceleration yet? I've got a 6800GT on the way, I'd love to see PVP work finally.
So, while I'm here, has there been any news from MS regarding the long awaited patch to allow WMVHD acceleration yet? I've got a 6800GT on the way, I'd love to see PVP work finally.
That's because the ASF-format file (SIL 1080p) isn't indexed, most likely for file size reasons. You can use the WM SDK and index an ASF file, and thus enable seeking. MPlayer Classic can also do this by other means, albeit slower, if WM ASF seeking is disabled.
No, and it's really start to piss me off. I'm think nVidia pulled some BS on us, and never even told Microsoft to code a thing. If nVidia wanted their PureVideo support to be widely implemented, they would have released an SDK for software developers. Then, at least I could make my own program or use GraphEdit to take advantage of it. But, nope... Oh, and by the way, the 6800GT doesn't support WMV HD acceleration. 🙁 :disgust: :| It's not like my 6800NU ever will either because Microsoft/nVidia is sitting on their ass. :roll: The next time nVidia announces a new PureVideo support list that says nothing is supported, I'm going to shove this video card box up their ass and show them where it says "WM hardware-accelerated encode". Why does it take so long for these dumb bastards to write code? Besides, they already have DLL's that work that they gave to reviewers, now why don't they just give them to us? I hope they get leaked.</rant>
http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_support.html
imported_g33k
Senior member
I have a question related to the video. Where does it tell how many frames were dropped? Sorry if this was answered before, this is a long thread. Perhaps the OP can edit it in the first post. Thanks.
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