Post your ideas on who might help the Democrats win 2028.

[fskimospy]

Why is that "reasonable"?

Elections are popularity contests. If the winner of the popularity contest is more conservative than you that indicates the median voter preference is more conservative than you.

I can see why people want to believe that if democrats moved left they would win because in that scenario liberals get to win elections without sacrificing anything. It’s probably not the case though.

It appears in the most recent election black and Hispanic turnout for democrats was lower than expected. These groups are among the most conservative in the democratic coalition. Why would we think moving left would turn them out more?

 

[Indus]

Elections are popularity contests. If the winner of the popularity contest is more conservative than you that indicates the median voter preference is more conservative than you.

I can see why people want to believe that if democrats moved left they would win because in that scenario liberals get to win elections without sacrificing anything. It’s probably not the case though.

It appears in the most recent election black and Hispanic turnout for democrats was lower than expected. These groups are among the most conservative in the democratic coalition. Why would we think moving left would turn them out more?

Just calm down and think of this again:

Biden ran center and won with 81 million votes while Kam ran right of Biden and lost barely getting 67 million votes

And from reporting in swing states.. she lost 5 of every Biden's voters for picking up 1 of the Never Trumpers.

Going to the right is a losing strategy because the people already have a right wing party they love.

 

[fskimospy]

Just calm down and think of this again:

Biden ran center and won with 81 million votes while Kam ran right of Biden and lost barely getting 67 million votes

And from reporting in swing states.. she lost 5 of every Biden's voters for picking up 1 of the Never Trumpers.

Going to the right is a losing strategy because the people already have a right wing party they love.

Sorry I’m going to have to ask you to calm down and actually look at the data on the topic.

Unable to Excite the Base? Moderate Candidates Still Tend to Outdo Extreme Ones (Published 2018)

An analysis of more than 30 years of House general elections suggests: Don’t nominate someone who will motivate the other side to show up.

www.nytimes.com

Do you want to reconsider your position now?

Also Kamala Harris did not run to the right of Biden in any meaningful way. In fact, Biden ran the most liberal administration of our lifetimes - far to the left of Obama.

 

[MrSquished]

Sorry I’m going to have to ask you to calm down and actually look at the data on the topic.

Unable to Excite the Base? Moderate Candidates Still Tend to Outdo Extreme Ones (Published 2018)

An analysis of more than 30 years of House general elections suggests: Don’t nominate someone who will motivate the other side to show up.

www.nytimes.com

Do you want to reconsider your position now?

Also Kamala Harris did not run to the right of Biden in any meaningful way. In fact, Biden ran the most liberal administration of our lifetimes - far to the left of Obama.

Do you think Biden was the best candidate or should we have had a primary instead?

Simple a or b question.

 

[ondma]

Why is that "reasonable"?

Seems more 'simplistic' than 'reasonable'.

Sometimes the right answer is the simple, obvious one.

 

[evident]

When your base doesn’t bother to vote because you’ve moved too far to the right, it makes sense to move back to the left to get out the vote. Oh, and you have to deliver on that “left” agenda or your base stays home for the next election. The Dems have seen the same pattern since 2008; it shouldn’t be such a mystery for them.

This is one thing i don't understand. Biden delivered the "left" agenda. he cancelled student debt to the best of his ability, addressed the climate. lina khan has been an excellent pick to fight big corps. yet he gets no credit for any of this.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This is one thing i don't understand. Biden delivered the "left" agenda. he cancelled student debt to the best of his ability, addressed the climate. lina khan has been an excellent pick to fight big corps. yet he gets no credit for any of this.

This is how far the disinformation has come. It’s really that simple. With more people spending time on the internet and social media, and wannabe dictators like musk pushing BS on his website, so on and so on…it’s the way it’s gonna be until facts make a comeback.

Here’s an example, almost 1 in 5 think Biden was responsible for the overturning of Roe v Wade

MSN

And here’s a big contributing factor

Study reveals key reason why fake news spreads on social media

USC-led study suggests platforms have larger role to play to stop fake news.

today.usc.edu

 

[fskimospy]

This is how far the disinformation has come. It’s really that simple. With more people spending time on the internet and social media, and wannabe dictators like musk pushing BS on his website, so on and so on…it’s the way it’s gonna be until facts make a comeback.

Here’s an example, almost 1 in 5 think Biden was responsible for the overturning of Roe v Wade

MSN

We should always be skeptical about things like that as a lot of the time those are simply partisans saying crazy shit. The article actually discusses it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

We should always be skeptical about things like that as a lot of the time those are simply partisans saying crazy shit. The article actually discusses it.

Sure, it also said it was a bit too early to take it seriously and people should be more up to speed closer to election. Not sure how up to speed everyone really became :/

 

[dlerious]

AOC.

If you could combine her with Katie Porter and Jasmine Crockett, that would be great.

 

[dlerious]

2008 Obama when he ran on being the next FDR. 2012 Obama only won because Romney ran on killing Medicare.

I was seriously considering Romney. When he chose Ryan, it was a hard no.

 

[blankslate]

Trump will help the Democratic Party win in 2028 by being so godawful with foreign policy in the M.E. that he will make even Biden's inability to stand up to Bibi the Butcher look a mild set-back by comparison (talking about War Atrocities here that Biden's administration facilitated and Trump will somehow find a way to be worse).
As for Trump's domestic policy we have already seen it. horrible tax policies that do nothing to help the federal budget or anyone who is not wealthy despite the rethugs lying about how fiscally responsible they are. One does not need to speak about his horrid social views.



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[sandorski]

At this point it might be the Lord Jesus on a white horse brandishing his sword to tear asunder the Beast and all that follow him.

 

[hal2kilo]

Trump will help the Democratic Party win in 2028 by being so godawful with foreign policy in the M.E. that he will make even Biden's inability to stand up to Bibi the Butcher look a mild set-back by comparison (talking about War Atrocities here that Biden's administration facilitated and Trump will somehow find a way to be worse).
As for Trump's domestic policy we have already seen it. horrible tax policies that do nothing to help the federal budget or anyone who is not wealthy despite the rethugs lying about how fiscally responsible they are. One does not need to speak about his horrid social views.



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Blink, blink. Are you OK, you are making sense.

 

[nickqt]

Blink, blink. Are you OK, you are making sense.

To be fair, over the past 90 years the US public has typically voted Democratic Party when the country is enmeshed in a shitshow. After the Democratic Party acts responsibly to unfuck the situation, they go right back to voting in the Republicans who often openly promise terrible things and then deliver.

Rinse, repeat.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

If you lose an election to a party to the right of you it’s reasonable to think the answer is to move right.

If your move to the right caused you to lose to Trump and stupid Bush 2x each it's pretty reasonable to think doing the same shit again is moronic. Definition of insanity and all. The reasonable answer is voters hate the DC establishment that has thrown them under a bus since Reagan and Clinton. Center-left policies like Medicare For All, free college, or UBI are as anti-establishment as they get while more neoliberalism is as establishment as it gets.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Elections are popularity contests. If the winner of the popularity contest is more conservative than you that indicates the median voter preference is more conservative than you.

I can see why people want to believe that if democrats moved left they would win because in that scenario liberals get to win elections without sacrificing anything. It’s probably not the case though.

It appears in the most recent election black and Hispanic turnout for democrats was lower than expected. These groups are among the most conservative in the democratic coalition. Why would we think moving left would turn them out more?

Moving left isn't liberal. Staying center right is liberal.

 

[Amol S.]

Please. Tell us about your delusion how the Democrats went left and lost.

Please put it in words we can understand. Maybe try to use the crayons you have.

Let me help ondama here...

 

[Amol S.]

By the way, for the rest of us it was...

 

[Pens1566]

Most of the data/analysis I've seen in the '24 post mortem is that D voters simply did not turn out. I don't think you correct that by swinging even more to the right. Getting more like Liz Cheney is not going to fix your #s in Dearborn ...

 

[MrSquished]

If there's one thing we should have all learned from this last election cycle, it's that to not take any fucking advice from the idiots that got this last election cycle completely fucking wrong by shoving Biden down our throats against the desires of his own party's polling and the nation's polling.

Those fucking idiots should not have a say in any goddamn thing we do going forward because they haven't learned a goddamn thing and it's evident by what they say. They simply don't exist in reality.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

If there's one thing we should have all learned from this last election cycle, it's that to not take any fucking advice from the idiots that got this last election cycle completely fucking wrong by shoving Biden down our throats against the desires of his own party's polling and the nation's polling.

Those fucking idiots should not have a say in any goddamn thing we do going forward because they haven't learned a goddamn thing and it's evident by what they say. They simply don't exist in reality.

What's sick is Harris hired the same consultants that tanked Clinton's campaign in 2016. Boy did those crooks win big with all the money they helped her raise though.

 

[ondma]

This is one thing i don't understand. Biden delivered the "left" agenda. he cancelled student debt to the best of his ability, addressed the climate. lina khan has been an excellent pick to fight big corps. yet he gets no credit for any of this.

Maybe the "left" agenda is not what the electorate wanted??? Of course those who wanted Trumps agenda are in for a rude awakening over the next 4 years.

 

[ondma]

Let me help ondama here...
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Well, I hate to disrupt whatever distorted delusion you have floating around in you head, but I voted (albeit with no great enthusiasm) for Harris.

 

[nickqt]

Maybe the "left" agenda is not what the electorate wanted??? Of course those who wanted Trumps agenda are in for a rude awakening over the next 4 years.

You're conflating multiple things together here.

What "agenda" did the voters want?

And why would they be in for "a rude awakening" when they get the agenda of the person they voted for?

The answer seems to be, the electorate is whomever decides to vote this election cycle, and in this particular case, neither candidate got more than 50% of the vote, so in terms of what "the majority" wants, it seems to be "not Trump" and "not Harris".

The "left" agenda polls well issue-by-issue, much better than the Republican agenda.

Unfortunately, a large portion of the US electorate is misinformed/willfully ignorant, or downright malevolent.

I don't see how Democrats pick up more votes by going to the right of any Cheney, because at that point, I might as well just vote for a Republican and be a vocally-proud shitbag.