Possible? I'm gay and want to be straight. Help!

[Stark]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark
Try here.

You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

Wow! THere's some disturbed people running that place. What a bunch of as$holes.

??? what on the site is so disturbing?

Are you kidding?

His search led him to The Portland Fellowship, a Christ-centered ministry to those who desire change from sexual brokenness. Through biblical counseling, and loving support, Jason overcame his homosexuality and now serves as Co-Director for The Portland Fellowship

It's extremely disturbing that people would take perfectly fine individuals who happen to be gay and try and change them into something against their nature through religious brainwashing. It's sick.

If people were less judgemental of people that were different from them this sick crap wouldn't exist.

read what you wrote a few times... so much irony in just a few lines.

I don't see any irony. They are trying to change people, I am not. You see? I don't think that you understand irony very well.

It seems to me that the organization tries to support people who choose to try change their lifestyle... which is the plea in the title of this thread. How is that brainwashing?

Is AA a sick religious brainwashing insitution for having steps about accepting a higher power and encouraging different behavior (staying sober)?

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Thera
shrinertech.... Be true to yourself and the rest will take care of itself. If your friends are truely your friends then they wouldn't care. I worked in theater for several years doing mechanical engineering, so I've been around many gay men and women, mostly technicians. They're just like anyone else. Some are awesome people, some are not, just like straight folks. Some of the hardest working, nicest people I've ever met were gay. The problem in our culture comes from stereo types and the negative images they force on "slower" people. There will always be people that hate in this world and you're never going to get past that. The trick is not let those people judge or rule your life. You're the one living it, not them. If you have a strong character and stand up for what you believe in you'll be respected. But remember... You'll never stop bigotry. Just be a good person... pretty easy to do. Don't be ashamed of what you are. You can't change your sexual preferences, simple fact. They've studied mice in an over populated environment and have found that homosexuality occurs on a bell curve corrisponding with over population. Homosexuality is natures cure for over population, it honestly doesn't take a scientist to figure that out. This happens with all mammals, including humans. I'd imagine you could find some great support forums on the internet not to mention religious groups that would be helpful. I know that the Society of Friends would welcome you, not to mention the Unitarian Church. Find some cool people that you like and hang out with them. You'll quickly see that it's ok to be yourself. If your into tech. then go do some backstage work at a local theater. You made a very mature decision to mention this in an open forum. That has earned you my respect. Even if this is a meer reflection of your openess, you'll have a fine life ahead of you. Be thankful that you weren't born with a sexual attraction to lunch meat.... then you'd have problems...

I'm starting to believe that being gay is not a choice, because although I have been really wanting to be straight, I'm simply not turned on by females. However, maybe there is an approach that I'm not looking at. Nonetheless, I talked to someone online last night that really eased a lot of my worries and qualms about being gay.

I'm trying to find some people that I like to hang out with... right now I have four good friends (all male, all straight) that I enjoy hanging out with. However, I'm having a hard time finding anyone my age that is gay or bi to hang out with. Oh well, I'll survive anyway

As for backstage theater work, I would love to do so, but we don't have any small theaters very close to us... As I believe I have written elsewhere in the thread, I absolutely love theater and backstage work. I would like to get back into it sometime/somehow.

Thanks for the compliments, and yeah, I agree that I would be in big trouble if I were born with an attraction to lunch meat.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: BillGates
Being gay is a choice....

nope, no it's not

Prove it.

OK. Here it goes:

Gays have heterosexual parents. They receive a heterosexual upbringing. They receive huge amounts of heterosexuality from television and movies. Their parents and grandparents ask them "so when will you meet that girl (assuming it's a guy) of your dreams?". The society around them expects them to be hetero's.

Gays are persecuted, harassed and made fun of. And they can't get married.

And yet, those people still make the conscious decision to become gays? And they will hide their lifestyle from the society around them. Or they decide to "come out" and face the ridicule and persecution. No. They do not make that decision. You are born gay. Why would anyone decide to become gay, considering how much they are harassed and ridiculed? How could they choose to become gays since they are from their childhood conditioned to become hetero?

Sorry, didn't read the thread so I don't know whether this has already been covered

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: BillGates
Being gay is a choice....

nope, no it's not

Prove it.

OK. Here it goes:

Gays have heterosexual parents. They receive a heterosexual upbringing. They receive huge amounts of heterosexuality from television and movies. Their parents and grandparents ask them "so when will you meet that girl (assuming it's a guy) of your dreams?". The society around them expects them to be hetero's.

Gays are persecuted, harassed and made fun of. And they can't get married.

And yet, those people still make the conscious decision to become gays? And they will hide their lifestyle from the society around them. Or they decide to "come out" and face the ridicule and persecution. No. They do not make that decision. You are born gay. Why would anyone decide to become gay, considering how much they are harassed and ridiculed? How could they choose to become gays since they are from their childhood conditioned to become hetero?

Sorry, didn't read the thread so I don't know whether this has already been covered

Some people choose to murder also, and the consequence of that is lifelong persecution, yet they still commit murder.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: BillGates
Being gay is a choice....

nope, no it's not

Prove it.

OK. Here it goes:

Gays have heterosexual parents. They receive a heterosexual upbringing. They receive huge amounts of heterosexuality from television and movies. Their parents and grandparents ask them "so when will you meet that girl (assuming it's a guy) of your dreams?". The society around them expects them to be hetero's.

Gays are persecuted, harassed and made fun of. And they can't get married.

And yet, those people still make the conscious decision to become gays? And they will hide their lifestyle from the society around them. Or they decide to "come out" and face the ridicule and persecution. No. They do not make that decision. You are born gay. Why would anyone decide to become gay, considering how much they are harassed and ridiculed? How could they choose to become gays since they are from their childhood conditioned to become hetero?

Sorry, didn't read the thread so I don't know whether this has already been covered

Some people choose to murder also, and the consequence of that is lifelong persecution, yet they still commit murder.

Apples to oranges IMO. Murderers usually have a reason for their actions (revenge, personal gain etc.) and/or they are psycopaths. There's nothing really to gain from homosexuality when compared to heterosexuality and I don't think homos are psycopaths.

 

[Siddhartha]

I can't believe you are looking for constructive help here.

Troll?

 

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by: shrinertech
Does anyone have any advice, suggestions, or experience in the area? It's a super long story... but I would really like to "turn" straight. Until now, I've said that it can't be done, and that it's not a choice. Prove me wrong. I don't remember ever choosing to be gay... I just turned out that way. You know what though? I'm tired of all of the criticism, being ostracised, being taken out of the crowd, etc. I want to be straight. HELP!

Andrew

Maybe your Bi?

Cheers,
Aquaman

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: shrinertech

Originally posted by: Thera
shrinertech.... Be true to yourself and the rest will take care of itself. If your friends are truely your friends then they wouldn't care. I worked in theater for several years doing mechanical engineering, so I've been around many gay men and women, mostly technicians. They're just like anyone else. Some are awesome people, some are not, just like straight folks. Some of the hardest working, nicest people I've ever met were gay. The problem in our culture comes from stereo types and the negative images they force on "slower" people. There will always be people that hate in this world and you're never going to get past that. The trick is not let those people judge or rule your life. You're the one living it, not them. If you have a strong character and stand up for what you believe in you'll be respected. But remember... You'll never stop bigotry. Just be a good person... pretty easy to do. Don't be ashamed of what you are. You can't change your sexual preferences, simple fact. They've studied mice in an over populated environment and have found that homosexuality occurs on a bell curve corrisponding with over population. Homosexuality is natures cure for over population, it honestly doesn't take a scientist to figure that out. This happens with all mammals, including humans. I'd imagine you could find some great support forums on the internet not to mention religious groups that would be helpful. I know that the Society of Friends would welcome you, not to mention the Unitarian Church. Find some cool people that you like and hang out with them. You'll quickly see that it's ok to be yourself. If your into tech. then go do some backstage work at a local theater. You made a very mature decision to mention this in an open forum. That has earned you my respect. Even if this is a meer reflection of your openess, you'll have a fine life ahead of you. Be thankful that you weren't born with a sexual attraction to lunch meat.... then you'd have problems...

I'm starting to believe that being gay is not a choice, because although I have been really wanting to be straight, I'm simply not turned on by females. However, maybe there is an approach that I'm not looking at. Nonetheless, I talked to someone online last night that really eased a lot of my worries and qualms about being gay.

I'm trying to find some people that I like to hang out with... right now I have four good friends (all male, all straight) that I enjoy hanging out with. However, I'm having a hard time finding anyone my age that is gay or bi to hang out with. Oh well, I'll survive anyway

As for backstage theater work, I would love to do so, but we don't have any small theaters very close to us... As I believe I have written elsewhere in the thread, I absolutely love theater and backstage work. I would like to get back into it sometime/somehow.

Thanks for the compliments, and yeah, I agree that I would be in big trouble if I were born with an attraction to lunch meat.

No problem bud.

I did all my theater work in Atlanta. The theater/art community there is awesome once you get your foot in the door. PM me if you ever want to go there and do theater work. I can get you in touch with the top 5-10 folks in the Atlanta theater scene. You'll need to prove yourself on your own but I can at least get you in the door.

There are also some really great communities in Atlanta with high gay populations. Little 5 Points, Virginia Highlands Chandler park, Druid hills, Decatur... to name a few.

 

[Huz]

Sometimes there's some really good stuff posted on this board. And then there are times like this... :disgust:

I hope all the ignorant homophobes here end up with the most flamboyantly gay kids ever.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark
Try here.

You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

Wow! THere's some disturbed people running that place. What a bunch of as$holes.

??? what on the site is so disturbing?

Are you kidding?

His search led him to The Portland Fellowship, a Christ-centered ministry to those who desire change from sexual brokenness. Through biblical counseling, and loving support, Jason overcame his homosexuality and now serves as Co-Director for The Portland Fellowship

It's extremely disturbing that people would take perfectly fine individuals who happen to be gay and try and change them into something against their nature through religious brainwashing. It's sick.

If people were less judgemental of people that were different from them this sick crap wouldn't exist.

read what you wrote a few times... so much irony in just a few lines.

I don't see any irony. They are trying to change people, I am not. You see? I don't think that you understand irony very well.

It seems to me that the organization tries to support people who choose to try change their lifestyle... which is the plea in the title of this thread. How is that brainwashing?

Is AA a sick religious brainwashing insitution for having steps about accepting a higher power and encouraging different behavior (staying sober)?

The organization tries to "reprogram" people to be something they are not through religious brainwashing. People who aren't doing anything illegal, destructive, or hurting anyone else. Why do they need reprogrammed? Most likely from pressure and guilt from their parents, relatives, and others around them because of their unwillingness to accept the person as they are.

AA is a program that help people with a substance addiction who otherwise would be destroying their own lives and most likely others, normally with a few legal repurcussions as well.

 

[tarheelmm]

i am shocked by the results

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark
Try here.

You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

Wow! THere's some disturbed people running that place. What a bunch of as$holes.

??? what on the site is so disturbing?

Are you kidding?

His search led him to The Portland Fellowship, a Christ-centered ministry to those who desire change from sexual brokenness. Through biblical counseling, and loving support, Jason overcame his homosexuality and now serves as Co-Director for The Portland Fellowship

It's extremely disturbing that people would take perfectly fine individuals who happen to be gay and try and change them into something against their nature through religious brainwashing. It's sick.

If people were less judgemental of people that were different from them this sick crap wouldn't exist.

read what you wrote a few times... so much irony in just a few lines.

I don't see any irony. They are trying to change people, I am not. You see? I don't think that you understand irony very well.

It seems to me that the organization tries to support people who choose to try change their lifestyle... which is the plea in the title of this thread. How is that brainwashing?

Is AA a sick religious brainwashing insitution for having steps about accepting a higher power and encouraging different behavior (staying sober)?

The organization tries to "reprogram" people to be something they are not through religious brainwashing. People who aren't doing anything illegal, destructive, or hurting anyone else. Why do they need reprogrammed? Most likely from pressure and guilt from their parents, relatives, and others around them because of their unwillingness to accept the person as they are.

AA is a program that help people with a substance addiction who otherwise would be destroying their own lives and most likely others, normally with a few legal repurcussions as well.

So if someone isn't happy in a gay lifestyle they should just accept the fact that they're gay and live with it? That's pretty sad.

What if someone has a family that depends on them and "discovers" they're gay? They're free to destroy the life that their spouse and children know because the "must" stop living a "lie" by being straight? They have to now have homosexual relationships (increasing the risk to their own health) because they have an inclination towards the same sex?

I didn't think that being gay was such a prison sentence. How sad.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: shrinertech
Does anyone have any advice, suggestions, or experience in the area? It's a super long story... but I would really like to "turn" straight. Until now, I've said that it can't be done, and that it's not a choice. Prove me wrong. I don't remember ever choosing to be gay... I just turned out that way. You know what though? I'm tired of all of the criticism, being ostracised, being taken out of the crowd, etc. I want to be straight. HELP!

Andrew

hehehe.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Stark
Try here.

You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

Wow! THere's some disturbed people running that place. What a bunch of as$holes.

??? what on the site is so disturbing?

Are you kidding?

His search led him to The Portland Fellowship, a Christ-centered ministry to those who desire change from sexual brokenness. Through biblical counseling, and loving support, Jason overcame his homosexuality and now serves as Co-Director for The Portland Fellowship

It's extremely disturbing that people would take perfectly fine individuals who happen to be gay and try and change them into something against their nature through religious brainwashing. It's sick.

If people were less judgemental of people that were different from them this sick crap wouldn't exist.

read what you wrote a few times... so much irony in just a few lines.

I don't see any irony. They are trying to change people, I am not. You see? I don't think that you understand irony very well.

It seems to me that the organization tries to support people who choose to try change their lifestyle... which is the plea in the title of this thread. How is that brainwashing?

Is AA a sick religious brainwashing insitution for having steps about accepting a higher power and encouraging different behavior (staying sober)?

The organization tries to "reprogram" people to be something they are not through religious brainwashing. People who aren't doing anything illegal, destructive, or hurting anyone else. Why do they need reprogrammed? Most likely from pressure and guilt from their parents, relatives, and others around them because of their unwillingness to accept the person as they are.

AA is a program that help people with a substance addiction who otherwise would be destroying their own lives and most likely others, normally with a few legal repurcussions as well.

So if someone isn't happy in a gay lifestyle they should just accept the fact that they're gay and live with it? That's pretty sad.

Why wouldn't they be happy about it? Unless they are taking a lot of crap from outside sources. Do heterosexuals become unhappy with their lyfestyle? Is there some sort of "reprogramming" for it if they do?

What if someone has a family that depends on them and "discovers" they're gay? They're free to destroy the life that their spouse and children know because the "must" stop living a "lie" by being straight? They have to now have homosexual relationships (increasing the risk to their own health) because they have an inclination towards the same sex?

Your case would be identical if a heterosexual has a family that depends on them and "discovers" they're not attracted to their wife anymore because they have an inclination to other women. No different.

Being married CAN be a prison sentence either way.

 

[dew042]

Originally posted by: shrinertech
Does anyone have any advice, suggestions, or experience in the area? It's a super long story... but I would really like to "turn" straight. Until now, I've said that it can't be done, and that it's not a choice. Prove me wrong. I don't remember ever choosing to be gay... I just turned out that way. You know what though? I'm tired of all of the criticism, being ostracised, being taken out of the crowd, etc. I want to be straight. HELP!

Andrew

going "straight" will not make you part of the crowd. once an outcast, always an outcast. its not all about sexual preference. if you actually believe that i feel sorry for you...

dew.

 

[Atlantean]

Sure, when you have gay thoughts just pray out the gay!!

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Stark
Is AA a sick religious brainwashing insitution for having steps about accepting a higher power and encouraging different behavior (staying sober)?

AA has a noble goal: To help people deal with the problem of alcoholism. To help meet this goal, this organization uses religion and social conditioning (i.e. "brainwashing"). Are they "sick"? That's a matter of opinion; I have known people in AA for whom AA becomes the center around which their entire lives revolve. AA is almost like a cult...

However, in many cases, it's far better than the alternative for its members.

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: BillGates
Being gay is a choice....

nope, no it's not

Prove it.

OK. Here it goes:

Gays have heterosexual parents. They receive a heterosexual upbringing. They receive huge amounts of heterosexuality from television and movies. Their parents and grandparents ask them "so when will you meet that girl (assuming it's a guy) of your dreams?". The society around them expects them to be hetero's.

Gays are persecuted, harassed and made fun of. And they can't get married.

And yet, those people still make the conscious decision to become gays? And they will hide their lifestyle from the society around them. Or they decide to "come out" and face the ridicule and persecution. No. They do not make that decision. You are born gay. Why would anyone decide to become gay, considering how much they are harassed and ridiculed? How could they choose to become gays since they are from their childhood conditioned to become hetero?

Sorry, didn't read the thread so I don't know whether this has already been covered

Very well put. There's also a number of studies (don't have a link, just things I've read) that link various biological things to homosexuality. None of it's proven yet of course, but there's evidence that points in that direction. They're probably not researching it too terribly much. And you know what? They shouldn't have to. We should pour our funds into researching diseases, etc. Society should just accept gays for who they are, even if you think they "chose" that lifestyle, why the hell do you care? They're sinning in your opinion? Fine, they'll go to hell, and your righteous little heterosexual ass still has a firm spot waiting for you in heaven. why do YOU care?

<---Doesn't understand homophobic people...

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Stark
Is AA a sick religious brainwashing insitution for having steps about accepting a higher power and encouraging different behavior (staying sober)?

AA has a noble goal: To help people deal with the problem of alcoholism. To help meet this goal, this organization uses religion and social conditioning (i.e. "brainwashing"). Are they "sick"? That's a matter of opinion; I have known people in AA for whom AA becomes the center around which their entire lives revolve. AA is almost like a cult...

However, in many cases, it's far better than the alternative for its members.

I was going to mention that AA has it's problems too but I wasn't sure if the person I was responding to would be able to handle two concepts at once. Many people in AA spend the rest of their lives occupied with "not drinking". They are still revolving their lives around a substance but at least they are sober.

So yeah, it's better than the alternative but not great.

 

[ultimatebob]

Hey Shriner...

You seem to be overly concerned about your sexuality, which probably means that you're getting pressured about it where you live. Did you ever think about moving to an area where people don't particularly care if you're gay or not? I used to live around San Francisco during the .com boom, and I live the suburbs of NYC now. I've worked with lots of openly gay people in both areas, and no one there really gives anyone a hard time about it. You'll find that most racially integrated places more tolerant, because you can learn from experience that most stereotypes about minorities just aren't true.

Compare this to my birth place of central Pennsylvania, where 90% of the population are Christian white folks. Admitting that you're gay in certain towns in that region of the country would probably result in a lynching

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Hey Shriner... You seem to be overly concerned about your sexuality, which probably means that you're getting pressured about it where you live. Did you ever think about moving to an area where people don't particularly care if you're gay or not? I used to live around San Francisco during the .com boom, and I live the suburbs of NYC now. I've worked with lots of openly gay people in both areas, and no one there really gives anyone a hard time about it. You'll find that most racially integrated places more tolerant, because you can learn from experience that most stereotypes about minorities just aren't true. Compare this to my birth place of central Pennsylvania, where 90% of the population are Christian white folks. Admitting that you're gay in certain towns in that region of the country would probably result in a lynching

Yeah, I've recently realized that I've been overly concerned about it. It's mainly just some of the people that I have to associate with. The area that I grew up in was like your birth place, with most of the people being extremely homophobic. Several people actually threatened to kill me a few times. I now live in Columbus, Ohio, and it's much better here. However, I'm still in a highschool that has some students from down there. I work on staff more than I am a student, so I cope ok. I just feel bad about myself some days. I've recently been re-evaluating the thought of trying to turn completely straight. Maybe it is just better suited for me to be gay. I don't know. I'm thinking that maybe I should just be who I am.

Andrew

 

[tantos]

Being stupid and ignorant is a choice..and many in here choose to live that life everyday...Cheers...

Oh yeah..go learn some biology..

 

[GeekDrew]

removed

 

[tantos]

wasn't even directed at you shiner..was for those "choice" people.

 

[GeekDrew]

I apologize tantos, I misinterpreted you. My mistake.

Andrew