Possibility that Nvidia intentionally held back performance.

[Viper96720]

Why not try the drivers out. Those with 7800's http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1181

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Grave
If this is real NVIDIA made great move. Another knife in ATI's back.

Only a true fanboy would like their driver pessimized just to spite the "other" brand.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: kumarshah

Any idea whether it improves performace for the 6800 NU?

Thanks.

Well, McArra and Otis both have 6800GT's. So they would know best I suppose.

i may try them, but theyre beta. i dont usually use beta stuff

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Grave
If this is real NVIDIA made great move. Another knife in ATI's back.

Well, it's only great if they got the gains with hard work as opposed to neutering the cards on the first go round to make the new driver appear better. IMO, that would be a knife in everybody's back. Especially since the early adoptors (like myself) paid more for the early boards than people who will be getting their cards now. The t-shirt I got with my card wouldn't really make up for that.

That being said, I think that is a pretty bold accusation on the inq's part, and I hope they have more to back that up other then, "these drivers are faster".

QFT

 

[GTaudiophile]

Just watch, nVidia will quietly "slip" these pre-release drivers to Anand for his R520 review, take them as gospel...and nVidia won't release them to the public for weeks after.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: Killrose
Did'nt nVidia "release" a driver set to hardware reveiw sites only when ATi released the 8500 or 9700? I remember something like this awhile back. They were Beta drivers only given to reveiw sites to use against the latest ATi release and did'nt make it to WHQL because they sucked at anything but a benchmark apps.

I hope this is'nt the same sort of stunt. And I hope they benefit 6800U users like myself.

I fully expect Anand to go back on his word and do exactly as you say.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Killrose
Did'nt nVidia "release" a driver set to hardware reveiw sites only when ATi released the 8500 or 9700? I remember something like this awhile back. They were Beta drivers only given to reveiw sites to use against the latest ATi release and did'nt make it to WHQL because they sucked at anything but a benchmark apps.

I hope this is'nt the same sort of stunt. And I hope they benefit 6800U users like myself.

I fully expect Anand to go back on his word and do exactly as you say.

Ok, we will keep you accountable for such a prediction!

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Just watch, nVidia will quietly "slip" these pre-release drivers to Anand for his R520 review, take them as gospel...and nVidia won't release them to the public for weeks after.

They're already leaked...

 

[jasonja]

It's interesting how much High Quality in 3DMark05 lost with this driver... fixing the shimmering costly?

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: jasonja
It's interesting how much High Quality in 3DMark05 lost with this driver... fixing the shimmering costly?

Well, I am not sure if you are attempted to start a war or something. But Rollo made a post on the forums where he tested the 78.01 (or .03) drivers. According to him, placing things on HQ did fix the shimmering for the most part with an extremely minor performance hit. Almost not worth noting, because they are well within the error tolerance of a test.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont think they would. I for one, as a consumer, would be mad.

edit, I also have serious doubts to the alleged 10fps more in every game comment. They dont say what games, settings or anything. While I hope it is true, I really doubt it is.

I expect you would be mad. You can't really take these things personally. Like I said, it is a "possibility" that they were holding back, but will never admit they did. They will most likely say they just worked very hard on new drivers to give the consumer even more bang for their money. So, if its true, you could very well be happy that you may be getting more performance for your hard earned money for free. It can be looked at both ways.

You wouldnt be mad? I would be pretty ticked. Why? Because I could have gotten better frames in the games I play for the last several months. If a company was to do this, they would be screwing over their customers, and I would take that personally.

Its my opinion however that they wouldnt do this, and that these new drivers wont be faster for me. At least not 10frames. I dont doubt that they can get a few more frames, under certain circumstances, I do have doubts it will be an across the board raise in frames.

Yes. I understand. You would be mad. Even though you have had record breaking performance since you originally purchased your 7800GTX and nothing could touch it, you still would be mad. We know. Other people will have a totally different perspective as I mentioned. Positive. Free fps.

Oh, to answer your question. No, I would not be mad. I would be a little psyched to get more performance for free. So, under the "assumption" that this is 100% true, I would be glad.

And what the heck is this remark about? "Its my opinion however that they wouldnt do this, and that these new drivers wont be faster for me." For me? You mean only you? Is this what you want to happen? Sounds like you have made up your mind already that the new drivers will do little if nothing for you. (Emphasize "Sounds like") Wouldn't want to put words in your mouth.

EDIT: The beta is available at Guru. I don't know if you like using beta's or not ( I know I usually don't) but why not give them a try?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Killrose
Did'nt nVidia "release" a driver set to hardware reveiw sites only when ATi released the 8500 or 9700? I remember something like this awhile back. They were Beta drivers only given to reveiw sites to use against the latest ATi release and did'nt make it to WHQL because they sucked at anything but a benchmark apps.

I hope this is'nt the same sort of stunt. And I hope they benefit 6800U users like myself.

That may have been the case at that time. However, if you put any credibility into the Austrian site's benchies, you can see that they not only used 3dmark/Aquamark, but also show quite a few games in there as well.

 

[Keysplayr]

I highly doubt Anand will allow the use of beta drivers for testing. They were so adament about not using beta's. Unless of course they run them with BIG disclaimers at the beginning of the review.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont think they would. I for one, as a consumer, would be mad.

edit, I also have serious doubts to the alleged 10fps more in every game comment. They dont say what games, settings or anything. While I hope it is true, I really doubt it is.

I expect you would be mad. You can't really take these things personally. Like I said, it is a "possibility" that they were holding back, but will never admit they did. They will most likely say they just worked very hard on new drivers to give the consumer even more bang for their money. So, if its true, you could very well be happy that you may be getting more performance for your hard earned money for free. It can be looked at both ways.

You wouldnt be mad? I would be pretty ticked. Why? Because I could have gotten better frames in the games I play for the last several months. If a company was to do this, they would be screwing over their customers, and I would take that personally.

Its my opinion however that they wouldnt do this, and that these new drivers wont be faster for me. At least not 10frames. I dont doubt that they can get a few more frames, under certain circumstances, I do have doubts it will be an across the board raise in frames.

Yes. I understand. You would be mad. Even though you have had record breaking performance since you originally purchased your 7800GTX and nothing could touch it, you still would be mad. We know. Other people will have a totally different perspective as I mentioned. Positive. Free fps.

Oh, to answer your question. No, I would not be mad. I would be a little psyched to get more performance for free. So, under the "assumption" that this is 100% true, I would be glad.

And what the heck is this remark about? "Its my opinion however that they wouldnt do this, and that these new drivers wont be faster for me." For me? You mean only you? Is this what you want to happen? Sounds like you have made up your mind already that the new drivers will do little if nothing for you. (Emphasize "Sounds like") Wouldn't want to put words in your mouth.

EDIT: The beta is available at Guru. I don't know if you like using beta's or not ( I know I usually don't) but why not give them a try?

After thinking about this more intently I am not sure why he would be mad. It seems many products are governed. Take for instance your car, it could go faster, but they electronicly limit them now. Does that mean you want to return your car? Asside from that all of that, you researched (I hope you did, at least) the 7800 GTX before you purchased it and therefore seen the numbers before your decision. What could you possibly complain about? You agreed to pay a certain price after viewing the performance. Once you make that agreement, I am not sure how you can complain that the company did not push their card another 5%. Just because a manufacterer limits its own offerings does not mean the company is dishonest... Anyway, this is directed at Ackmed.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Yes. I understand. You would be mad. Even though you have had record breaking performance since you originally purchased your 7800GTX and nothing could touch it, you still would be mad. We know. Other people will have a totally different perspective as I mentioned. Positive. Free fps.

Oh, to answer your question. No, I would not be mad. I would be a little psyched to get more performance for free. So, under the "assumption" that this is 100% true, I would be glad.

As you can see in this thread, I am not alone in being upset, if it turns out to be true. Its like buying a car, then finding out it has a restricter plate. Then them later removing it for "free" performance gains. Yes I have had the fastest single card. Yet my gaming could have been even better, with more frames. Perhaps I could have ran 4xAA, instead of 2xAA with the extra frames. Which makes games more enjoyable. But, I am not going to get worked up, because I dont think its true.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
And what the heck is this remark about? "Its my opinion however that they wouldnt do this, and that these new drivers wont be faster for me." For me? You mean only you? Is this what you want to happen? Sounds like you have made up your mind already that the new drivers will do little if nothing for you. (Emphasize "Sounds like") Wouldn't want to put words in your mouth.

I said that because at 1920x1200, I have doubts that a driver can make such an improvement.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
EDIT: The beta is available at Guru. I don't know if you like using beta's or not ( I know I usually don't) but why not give them a try?

I saw the were avail, and the results are not good in that thread, too many bugs. Ill pass.

 

[AndyD2k]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont think they would. I for one, as a consumer, would be mad.

edit, I also have serious doubts to the alleged 10fps more in every game comment. They dont say what games, settings or anything. While I hope it is true, I really doubt it is.

I expect you would be mad. You can't really take these things personally. Like I said, it is a "possibility" that they were holding back, but will never admit they did. They will most likely say they just worked very hard on new drivers to give the consumer even more bang for their money. So, if its true, you could very well be happy that you may be getting more performance for your hard earned money for free. It can be looked at both ways.

You wouldnt be mad? I would be pretty ticked. Why? Because I could have gotten better frames in the games I play for the last several months. If a company was to do this, they would be screwing over their customers, and I would take that personally.

Its my opinion however that they wouldnt do this, and that these new drivers wont be faster for me. At least not 10frames. I dont doubt that they can get a few more frames, under certain circumstances, I do have doubts it will be an across the board raise in frames.

Some people will never be happy

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont think they would. I for one, as a consumer, would be mad.

edit, I also have serious doubts to the alleged 10fps more in every game comment. They dont say what games, settings or anything. While I hope it is true, I really doubt it is.

I expect you would be mad. You can't really take these things personally. Like I said, it is a "possibility" that they were holding back, but will never admit they did. They will most likely say they just worked very hard on new drivers to give the consumer even more bang for their money. So, if its true, you could very well be happy that you may be getting more performance for your hard earned money for free. It can be looked at both ways.

You wouldnt be mad? I would be pretty ticked. Why? Because I could have gotten better frames in the games I play for the last several months. If a company was to do this, they would be screwing over their customers, and I would take that personally.

Its my opinion however that they wouldnt do this, and that these new drivers wont be faster for me. At least not 10frames. I dont doubt that they can get a few more frames, under certain circumstances, I do have doubts it will be an across the board raise in frames.

Yes. I understand. You would be mad. Even though you have had record breaking performance since you originally purchased your 7800GTX and nothing could touch it, you still would be mad. We know. Other people will have a totally different perspective as I mentioned. Positive. Free fps.

Oh, to answer your question. No, I would not be mad. I would be a little psyched to get more performance for free. So, under the "assumption" that this is 100% true, I would be glad.

And what the heck is this remark about? "Its my opinion however that they wouldnt do this, and that these new drivers wont be faster for me." For me? You mean only you? Is this what you want to happen? Sounds like you have made up your mind already that the new drivers will do little if nothing for you. (Emphasize "Sounds like") Wouldn't want to put words in your mouth.

EDIT: The beta is available at Guru. I don't know if you like using beta's or not ( I know I usually don't) but why not give them a try?

After thinking about this more intently I am not sure why he would be mad. It seems many products are governed. Take for instance your car, it could go faster, but they electronicly limit them now. Does that mean you want to return your car? Asside from that all of that, you researched (I hope you did, at least) the 7800 GTX before you purchased it and therefore seen the numbers before your decision. What could you possibly complain about? You agreed to pay a certain price after viewing the performance. Once you make that agreement, I am not sure how you can complain that the company did not push their card another 5%. Just because a manufacterer limits its own offerings does not mean the company is dishonest... Anyway, this is directed at Ackmed.

QFT. He agreed to a contract in which he purchased the item to run at a certain speed with certain drivers. Holding back performance or not, you can't be mad at anyone but yourself.

I purchased my 6800nu knowing the speeds they run at. I am not mad at nvidia for not telling me it could unlock, which it did.

 

[johnnqq]

cars are electronically limited (they CAN be elminated) to 155 for SAFETY reasons...not that half the cars out there can even reach that.

i don't understand how everything turns into an arguement nowadays. eveyrbody has something up their ass.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: AndyD2k

Some people will never be happy

Either put forth an argument, stop assuming, or dont make useless and ignorant posts.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: AndyD2k

Some people will never be happy

Either put forth an argument, stop assuming, or dont make useless and ignorant posts.

Actually, his statement was absolutely true, whether it applies to you or not. Many people around the world are happy no matter how good of a life they have. If that is you, then so be it. But there is truth in his statement.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: johnnqq
cars are electronically limited (they CAN be elminated) to 155 for SAFETY reasons...not that half the cars out there can even reach that.

i don't understand how everything turns into an arguement nowadays. eveyrbody has something up their ass.

LOL, nice try, but the cars are not limited for safety reasons in America. If that were the case, then no car would go above 75 MPH, which is the speed limit. The cars are limited by the MFG's plain and simple. If it was for safety reasons (going to give your logic a thought here) then why would the Z06 Corvette be allowed to hit 191+ Mph while the BMW M3 is limited at 155 Mph? We all know the BMW M5 can easily pass the 155 Mph mark, so it must be limited by the MFG.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: AndyD2k

Some people will never be happy

Either put forth an argument, stop assuming, or dont make useless and ignorant posts.

Actually, his statement was absolutely true, whether it applies to you or not. Many people around the world are happy no matter how good of a life they have. If that is you, then so be it. But there is truth in his statement.

Did I say it couldnt be true? No. He quoted me and said it. He doesnt have a clue about me.

I am happy. Could I be happier? Yeah. Would I be happy if they help performance back? No. Would many others? No.

 

[dclapps]

Everything is relative, including this statement.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: dclapps
Everything is relative, including this statement.

You must have a difficult time getting through life with that mind-set. There are indeed absolutes in this world. If there were not, then nothing matters and you are feeble.

 

[ArchAngel777]

I just looked over that website again, that tested the new drives. Well, a few obersations I made.

1. They tested the cards with low resolution. Maybe they did not on purpose? Perhaps they wanted to show how they were able to make a CPU limited system faster? Yes, they did that, but I am not sure that classifies as making the card "faster" in GPU terms.

2. Notice the huge performance hit when using the quality mode in both 3D Mark? It is a substantial performance hit and I will definitely avoid those drives if that is accurate.

Anyway, just wanted to update what I thought about it.