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Portrait of a Murderous Coward Who Claimed He "Stood His Ground"

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This undated picture made available by the Harris County Sheriff’s Office shows Raul Rodriguez who was charged with murder in a triple shooting that left one man dead and two others injured during a dispute over the neighbor’s loud party early Sunday, May 2, 2010. When music at a neighbor’s party got too loud for his liking, Rodriguez - armed with a gun and a video camera - showed up to complain. The retired firefighter ended up in a verbal confrontation, telling a police dispatcher by phone he feared for his life and was ”standing my ground.” But Texas doesn’t have the kind of law at the center of the Trayvon Martin slaying in Florida, and prosecutors trying Rodriguez for murder call him an aggressor who could have safely left his neighbor’s driveway at any time.


HOUSTON — A Houston jury convicted a man Wednesday of murdering his neighbor during a confrontation outside the neighbor’s home two years ago, rejecting his claim that he was within his rights to fatally shoot the man under Texas’ version of a stand-your-ground law.

Raul Rodriguez, 47, faces up to life in prison for the 2010 killing of Kelly Danaher.

Rodriguez, a retired Houston-area firefighter, was angry about the noise coming from his neighbor’s home, where a birthday party was taking place. He went to the home and got into an argument with Danaher, a 36-year-old elementary school teacher, and two other men who were at the party.

In a 22-minute video he recorded the night of the shooting, Rodriguez can be heard telling a police dispatcher “my life is in danger now” and “these people are going to go try and kill me.” He then said “I’m standing my ground here,” and shot Danaher. The two other men were wounded.

Rodriguez’s reference to standing his ground is similar to the claim made by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer who is citing Florida’s stand-your-ground law in his defense in the fatal February shooting of an unarmed teenager, Trayvon Martin. Rodiguez’s case, however, was decided under a different kind of self-defense doctrine.

Prosecutors called Rodriguez the aggressor who took a gun to complain about loud music and could have safely left his neighbor’s driveway any time before the shooting. Defense attorneys argued Rodriguez was defending himself when one of the men lunged at him and he had less than a second to respond.

Rodriguez’s attorneys did not present any witnesses at trial, seeking to put the burden on Danaher and the two other men who the defense claimed caused the confrontation to escalate.

But Danaher’s widow told jurors her husband was not a confrontational person and that if he had known the get-together — a birthday party for her and their young daughter — was disturbing others, he would have taken care of the situation.

During the trial, prosecutors tried to show Rodriguez had a history of not getting along with Danaher and other neighbors in Huffman, an unincorporated area about 30 miles northeast of Houston.

One neighbor testified that Rodriguez, who had a concealed handgun license, bragged about his guns and that he told her a person could avoid prosecution in a shooting by telling authorities you were in fear of your life and were standing your ground and defending yourself.

Texas’ version of a stand-your-ground law is known as the Castle Doctrine. It was revised in 2007 to expand the right to use deadly force. The new version allows people to defend themselves in their homes, workplaces or vehicles. It also says a person using force cannot provoke the attacker or be involved in criminal activity at the time.

Even Texas doesn't have the unbridled abortion of a law that Florida has, so this scheming, murderous coward couldn't get away with ending the life of his neighbor and shooting two others over some noise from a birthday party.
 
His whole scheme was so ill conceived I doubt even in Florida it would work. Regardless of Texas law, clearly Stand Your Ground laws send the wrong message.
 
His whole scheme was so ill conceived I doubt even in Florida it would work. Regardless of Texas law, clearly Stand Your Ground laws send the wrong message.


Yes and no. I should not have to flee from a criminal when I have the ability to defend myself. I should not have to wonder if he will persue and how many miles I have to flee before I am allowed to stop fleeing and stop the criminal from persuing me.

The people at the party should have called the cops or shot him for entering their property with a gun. Or maybe just turned down the noise. He should have just called the cops, who would have made them turn down the noise.
 
Yes and no. I should not have to flee from a criminal when I have the ability to defend myself. I should not have to wonder if he will persue and how many miles I have to flee before I am allowed to stop fleeing and stop the criminal from persuing me.

The people at the party should have called the cops or shot him for entering their property with a gun. Or maybe just turned down the noise. He should have just called the cops, who would have made them turn down the noise.

No. No one should have been Shot regardless of whether they were on someone Property.
 
Sounds like Rodriguez was in the wrong to me. And I get extremely annoyed when my neighbors are obnoxiously loud. Its not worth shooting them over and I've never had to call the police over their blasting Mexican Opera.
 
You know, I don't really understand this whole "stand your ground" kerfuffle. The problem isn't the law itself, but with the perception of it by the general public.

Texas’ version of a stand-your-ground law is known as the Castle Doctrine. It was revised in 2007 to expand the right to use deadly force. The new version allows people to defend themselves in their homes, workplaces or vehicles. It also says a person using force cannot provoke the attacker or be involved in criminal activity at the time.
This sounds reasonable. The problem is when people hear the catchphrase "stand your ground", they assume that their use of a firearm is justified as long as they have a veneer of justification. This person will rightly get their legal arse handed to them, as they should.
 
What a piece of trash. Over a noise dispute really?

Treyvon Martin was just walking home, wearing the wrong clothes. There's no good reason he should have ever had any encounter with his killer, and that's true even if the final decision is it was self-defense.
 
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No. No one should have been Shot regardless of whether they were on someone Property.


If you come onto my property with the intent to hurt me, you will be shot. Texas allows this as well and had they shot him when he started waving his gun about, he would be dead instead of them.

A gun was already involved so someone was going to get shot.
 
Treyvon Martin was just walking home, wearing the wrong clothes. There's no good reason he should have ever had any encounter with his killer, and that's true even if the final decision is it was self-defense.

Only if you pretend Z's wounds magically appeared. But we have an entire other thread for posting your idiocy in, post it there instead.
 
You know, I don't really understand this whole "stand your ground" kerfuffle. The problem isn't the law itself, but with the perception of it by the general public.


This sounds reasonable. The problem is when people hear the catchphrase "stand your ground", they assume that their use of a firearm is justified as long as they have a veneer of justification. This person will rightly get their legal arse handed to them, as they should.


Agreed. Stand Your Ground means you, as a potential victem, do not have to scurry away at the demand of a criminal who instigates trouble. It does not mean you can BE the criminal.
 
Treyvon Martin was just walking home, wearing the wrong clothes. There's no good reason he should have ever had any encounter with his killer, and that's true even if the final decision is it was self-defense.

Stop being disingenuous, and lying. He was not shot because he was "walking home wearing the wrong cloths", he was shot because he attacked someone.

Dude in the OP deserves to go to jail ...for LONG time. That's exactly the kind of shit we do not want, or stand for here.
 
Silly Paul Rodregesus, before you blow your obnoxious neighbors away over minor annoyances, one is well advised to know your states gun laws.

Silly Paul, he forgot to live in Florida or another State with Stand your ground laws. Which would of then made the action's of Paul killing Peter into a a totally legal sacrament. As your castle becomes anywhere you can carry your gun into. What about someone else's castle, silly us, they don't have castle rights unless they are bristling with gun and therefore have have equal castle rights.

Without have gun will travel, how can you claim to have a castle?
 
This is impossible. Concealed Carry don't commit crimes.

Funny, I don't recall any part of that article talking about concealed carry.... 🙄

The guy in that article is a MORON. Texas has laws that allow you to "protect your castle", NOT "stand your ground" (especially when you were the original aggressor).

This means that if you come on my property, and I feel my life (or my family's, or my property) is in danger, I can blow you away. I don't even have to wait for you to enter my door.

In a recent case (past 2-3 years), you might remember the guy who called 911, told them someone was breaking into his next door neighbor's house, and he felt as though he was in danger......then set the phone down, and blew away the two perps with a shotgun. He was acquitted of manslaughter by a jury of his peers. A more recent case is the guy who saw his 4 year old daughter being sexually molested, and beat the offender to death with his bare hands. :thumbsup:
 
Funny, I don't recall any part of that article talking about concealed carry.... 🙄


Apparently he did - from the article:
One neighbor testified that Rodriguez, who had a concealed handgun license, bragged about his guns and that he told her a person could avoid prosecution in a shooting by telling authorities you were in fear of your life and were standing your ground and defending yourself.
 
No one down here thought Rodriguez had a snow balls chance in hell of getting out of this charge using a "stand your ground" defense.

Even Texas doesn't have the unbridled abortion of a law that Florida has

The main difference between Texas and Florida's "stand your ground" law is that in Texas if your instigate the altercation you lose your right to self defense. In Florida you don't lose your right to self defense provided you try to escape or back off from the situation and the other person wants to continue the altercation.
 
The main difference between Texas and Florida's "stand your ground" law is that in Texas if your instigate the altercation you lose your right to self defense. In Florida you don't lose your right to self defense provided you try to escape or back off from the situation and the other person wants to continue the altercation.

you should NEVER be able to start the fight and when you get your ass kicked shoot them.
 
Funny, I don't recall any part of that article talking about concealed carry.... 🙄

The guy in that article is a MORON. Texas has laws that allow you to "protect your castle", NOT "stand your ground" (especially when you were the original aggressor).

This means that if you come on my property, and I feel my life (or my family's, or my property) is in danger, I can blow you away. I don't even have to wait for you to enter my door.

In a recent case (past 2-3 years), you might remember the guy who called 911, told them someone was breaking into his next door neighbor's house, and he felt as though he was in danger......then set the phone down, and blew away the two perps with a shotgun. He was acquitted of manslaughter by a jury of his peers. A more recent case is the guy who saw his 4 year old daughter being sexually molested, and beat the offender to death with his bare hands. :thumbsup:

I am not sure what this article actually states, but the actual facts of the case are:

He called 911 prior to the altercation.
He lured the three men into the street.
He pulled a concealed firearm(he has a CCL) and shot them.

How the hell do you think he was able to kill one and shoot two others? His CCL allowed him to kill. If he was openly brandishing, this case likely wouldn't have turned out the same. He walked onto another guys property. Harassed guests, then when called on it walked to the street and the guys followed. He then brandished his gun and aimed it at them. I mean come on, do you honestly think three dudes are going to follow a guy into a street if he was openly brandishing a fire arm? The guy thought he was being clever by baiting them. Fortunately, that doesn't work in Texas.

This guy should have been convicted of Capital Murder and sentenced to Death. Unfortunately with the way the Texas Penal Code is written, he wasn't eligible for Capital Murder charges because only 1 of his three victim died. IMHO Murder + two attempted murders in the same criminal act should equal Capital. Hell a single premeditated murder should make you eligible for capital punishment. This was a clear cut case of his premeditated intent to kill his neighbor.

And you need to get your facts straight. They don't have to have entered your house, but they have to be trying to. Someone trespassing DOES NOT give you the right to kill someone under Texas' Castle Doctrine. For the Castle law to apply they have to be trying to break into your home/auto.

And the guy in Houston, was never indicted. Grand Jury returned a no bill IIRC, however what he did was completely ILLEGAL under Texas law. Same for the guy who killed his daughters molester.
 
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This is why Arming everyone is a stupid idea in the first place.


Agreeed. Liberals should not be armed and should have to always wear shirts saying they are not armed. 😉


But in seriousness, not everyone should be armed (such as convicted felons), but for those who have not already proven they cannot be responsible enough to own a gun there cannot be a law to stop them - to in reality almost everyone can own a gun.


Please do not post overarching, non-contributory, disruptive troll statement such as this.

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