Portrait of a Murderous Coward Who Claimed He "Stood His Ground"

[waggy]

I am not sure what this article actually states, but the actual facts of the case are:

He called 911 prior to even going up to the house.
He lured the three men into the street.
He pulled a concealed weapon(he has a CCL) and shot them. The guys didnt know he was carrying.

Should have been convicted of Capital Murder and sentenced to Death. Unfortunately with the way the Texas Penal Code is written, he wasn't eligible for Capital Murder charges because only 1 of his three victim died. IMHO Murder + two attempted murders in the same criminal act should equal Capital. Hell a single premeditated murder should make you eligible for capital punishment.

And you need to get your facts straight. They don't have to have entered your house, but they have to be trying to. Someone trespassing DOES NOT give you the right to kill someone under Texas' Castle Doctrine. For the Castle law to apply they have to be trying to break into your home/auto.

And the guy in Houston, was never indicted. Grand Jury returned a no bill IIRC, however what he did was completely ILLEGAL under Texas law. Same for the guy who killed his daughters molester.

haven't seen that. i been looking for more info but most articles are just copy paste of the one mentioned.

i did find a copy of the video. the guy (shooter) is standing there telling the 911 that he feared for his life NOBODY is near him. he is saying im going to stand my ground and he fears for his life (again he is on there property).

edit: found more on it. seems what happened is
he grabed his gun and camera. went to the party yelling and being a dick. got into a argument with the decessed and 2 others.
during the argument he flashed the gun! so they knew he had it . they said something to the effect "i will go inside and come out more then equal to you"
Rodriguez was in the street on the phone with 911 saying he feared for his life and standing his ground all the while taunting the 3 who were unarmed.
finally one came close and tried to grab camera. Rod starts shooting.

guy had a reputation of telling people (just like spidey) that all you have to do is say you feared for your life and you can kill anyone.


good god this guy also has a history of violence with a gun and without.

from http://www.khou.com/news/Ex-wife-Retired-firefighter-convicted-in-teachers-killing-pulled-gun-on-father-in-law---159126525.html

One neighbor claimed that he once saw Rodriguez shoot a dog with a pellet gun more than a dozen times.

Another neighbor said Rodriguez hit him in the head with the barrel of a rifle after they had a disagreement over a fence.

Several Baytown firefighters and the Baytown Fire Marshal also testified Thursday, as did Rodriguez’s ex-wife who said that her ex-husband once pulled a gun on her father.

 

[Wreckem]

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[Wreckem]

haven't seen that. i been looking for more info but most articles are just copy paste of the one mentioned.

i did find a copy of the video. the guy (shooter) is standing there telling the 911 that he feared for his life NOBODY is near him. he is saying im going to stand my ground and he fears for his life (again he is on there property).

edit: found more on it. seems what happened is
he grabed his gun and camera. went to the party yelling and being a dick. got into a argument with the decessed and 2 others.
during the argument he flashed the gun! so they knew he had it . they said something to the effect "i will go inside and come out more then equal to you"
Rodriguez was in the street on the phone with 911 saying he feared for his life and standing his ground all the while taunting the 3 who were unarmed.
finally one came close and tried to grab camera. Rod starts shooting.

guy had a reputation of telling people (just like spidey) that all you have to do is say you feared for your life and you can kill anyone.


good god this guy also has a history of violence with a gun and without.

from http://www.khou.com/news/Ex-wife-Retired-firefighter-convicted-in-teachers-killing-pulled-gun-on-father-in-law---159126525.html

One neighbor claimed that he once saw Rodriguez shoot a dog with a pellet gun more than a dozen times.

Another neighbor said Rodriguez hit him in the head with the barrel of a rifle after they had a disagreement over a fence.

Several Baytown firefighters and the Baytown Fire Marshal also testified Thursday, as did Rodriguez’s ex-wife who said that her ex-husband once pulled a gun on her father.

There seems to be various stories in the media.

From what I understand, he called 911 while walking over the the house, before any altercation began and was on the phone for part of the altercation. He brandished the fire arm well before saying he was standing his ground. But 1. He was trespassing to start off. 2. He started the altercation by harassing people while trespassing. 3. He escalated the situation by brandishing a fire arm at 3 guys. 4. The Fire Captain who reportedly "lunged" at him(the Fire Captain actually tried to tackle the guy), was entitled to self defense, not him.

He had no valid claim to self defense. The three guys had the right of self defense. He has no valid claim to the revised castle doctrine either because he provoked the altercation.

Its clear cut in my mind, that he had every intent to go over there to kill his neighbor and it was premeditated. The jury had the same conclusion.

But yeah he had a long history of shit. Most of it wasn't allowed into the trial, fortunately that didn't effect the outcome.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

you should NEVER be able to start the fight and when you get your ass kicked shoot them.

I agree with you. This is one of the main reasons this case failed to meet the stand your ground requirements and Rodriguez was convicted. It wouldn't bother me if that part of the statute was removed in Florida.

The only times I honestly believe you should be able to shoot someone in self defense is:

1) They have broken into you house as this poses a potential threat to all inside.
2) Someone tries to rob you/you family or carjack your vehicle.
3) Someone assaults you and as a last resort to protect yourself from great harm or death.

Also shooting someone in order to aid another person.

1) To protect someone who is unable to protect themselves from harm.

 

[waggy]

I agree with you. This is one of the main reasons this case failed to meet the stand your ground requirements and Rodriguez was convicted. It wouldn't bother me if that part of the statute was removed in Florida.

The only times I honestly believe you should be able to shoot someone in self defense is:

1) They have broken into you house as this poses a potential threat to all inside.
2) Someone tries to rob you/you family or carjack your vehicle.
3) Someone assaults you and as a last resort to protect yourself from great harm or death.

Also shooting someone in order to aid another person.

1) To protect someone who is unable to protect themselves from harm.

i have said from the start i thought the Florida law was fucked up and i hoped at the least from the GZ/TM case that it would be changed.

i agree with your reasons.

i would add if someone is trying to break into/steal from outbuildings (barns, sheds etc. STUFF on your property) or livestock.

 

[Nebor]

I am not sure what this article actually states, but the actual facts of the case are:

He called 911 prior to the altercation.
He lured the three men into the street.
He pulled a concealed firearm(he has a CCL) and shot them.

How the hell do you think he was able to kill one and shoot two others? His CCL allowed him to kill. If he was openly brandishing, this case likely wouldn't have turned out the same. He walked onto another guys property. Harassed guests, then when called on it walked to the street and the guys followed. He then brandished his gun and aimed it at them. I mean come on, do you honestly think three dudes are going to follow a guy into a street if he was openly brandishing a fire arm? The guy thought he was being clever by baiting them. Fortunately, that doesn't work in Texas.

This guy should have been convicted of Capital Murder and sentenced to Death. Unfortunately with the way the Texas Penal Code is written, he wasn't eligible for Capital Murder charges because only 1 of his three victim died. IMHO Murder + two attempted murders in the same criminal act should equal Capital. Hell a single premeditated murder should make you eligible for capital punishment. This was a clear cut case of his premeditated intent to kill his neighbor.

And you need to get your facts straight. They don't have to have entered your house, but they have to be trying to. Someone trespassing DOES NOT give you the right to kill someone under Texas' Castle Doctrine. For the Castle law to apply they have to be trying to break into your home/auto.

And the guy in Houston, was never indicted. Grand Jury returned a no bill IIRC, however what he did was completely ILLEGAL under Texas law. Same for the guy who killed his daughters molester.

The old guy in Houston that shot the 2 guys trying to break into his neighbors house was acting within the law. The law allows the use of deadly force to stop a bevy of various crimes. Everyone who commits a homicide goes to the grand jury in Texas, IIRC.

 

[BoomerD]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/texas-stand-ground-shooter-headed-prison-210731482.html

Sentenced to 40 years.

A Texas man convicted of shooting and killing his unarmed neighbor during a dispute over loud music received a 40-year prison sentence on Wednesday.

Raul Rodriguez, 47, faced a minimum of five years and a maximum of life in prison. He claimed he shot schoolteacher Kelly Danaher in self-defense under Texas' version of the "stand your ground" law.

But prosecutors argued Rodriguez provoked the incident by confronting Danaher and his friends with a handgun and demanding they quiet down at a late-night birthday party in May 2010.

The Houston case captured more attention in the wake of Trayvon Martin's death in Florida. There, George Zimmerman says he was being attacked and cited the state's "stand your ground" law after shooting the unarmed teen. But prosecutors charged him with second-degree murder.

Two dozen states reportedly now allow citizens to stand their ground even outside their home. The specifics vary by state, but generally justify a person not retreating and using deadly force when a threat is perceived.

As in Florida, Texas law includes public areas, "if a person has a right to be present at a location where force is used."

But veteran attorney Andy Drumheller told Yahoo News that the Houston jury appeared to draw a line with Rodriguez leaving his home and going down the street.

"The law is not designed to create this bubble that you can carry with you everywhere you go," said Drumheller, a former prosecutor now practicing criminal defense in Houston. "The jury's verdict is a cautionary statement on the limits of this defense."

The Rodriguez case is also unique because the former firefighter was recording video during much of the ordeal.

Rodriguez, who had been calling police about the loud party, dialed 911 again as both sides shouted at each other near Danaher's dark driveway.

"Tell you what, pal, you just pulled a gun on the wrong [expletive], OK?" one of the partygoers is heard telling Rodriguez on the home video.

Seconds later the partygoer warns, "When I go in that house and I come back, don't think I won't be equal to you, baby."

Rodriguez, who told police he suspected the men were drunk, tells the 911 operator that he's scared and will defend himself, if needed.

"I don't want to do this, and it all started over them playing their music real loud … it's about to get out of hand, Sir. Please help me. "

Seconds later, he says, "I'm standing my ground here, now these people are going to try and kill me."

The video is dark when Danaher, 36, and two other men apparently lunged toward him, laughing loudly. Rodriguez fired his gun, killing Danaher and injuring two others.

In lobbying jurors for a lenient sentence, defense attorney Bill Stradley blamed the tragedy on his client's misunderstanding of Texas' "stand your ground" law. Something he predicts will happen with other Texas gun owners in the future.

"And they will find themselves, like Raul Rodriguez, charged with murder," said Stradley, according to the Houston Chronicle.

"Raul believed he had a right to be where he was. But he had two seconds to make that call, to pull that trigger."

Good.

 

[sandorski]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/texas-stand-ground-shooter-headed-prison-210731482.html

Sentenced to 40 years.



Good.

Indeed. :thumbsup:

 

[RampantAndroid]

If you come onto my property with the intent to hurt me, you will be shot. Texas allows this as well and had they shot him when he started waving his gun about, he would be dead instead of them.

A gun was already involved so someone was going to get shot.

Yes - killing this guy when he pulled a gun on them would have been largely justifiable.They backed off, he killed from a good distance away...

 

[halik]

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Even Texas doesn't have the unbridled abortion of a law that Florida has, so this scheming, murderous coward couldn't get away with ending the life of his neighbor and shooting two others over some noise from a birthday party.

Retard. Can't trespass on other people's property and then try to use castle doctrine. Imagine a burglar being caught in someone's house and claiming self defense after shooting the owner.

 

[pcgeek11]

Stupid people do stupid shit regardless of the law.

 

[Jaskalas]

lol @ the OP for trying to compare the two laws or by extension the 2 incidents. fail fail fail.

Quite sickening to see the mind of the Left as it exposes itself. This murder is how they view self defense. Then we're supposed to trust them to hold government office? No f'ing way!

 

[WHAMPOM]

Yes and no. I should not have to flee from a criminal when I have the ability to defend myself. I should not have to wonder if he will persue and how many miles I have to flee before I am allowed to stop fleeing and stop the criminal from persuing me.

The people at the party should have called the cops or shot him for entering their property with a gun. Or maybe just turned down the noise. He should have just called the cops, who would have made them turn down the noise.

Hay rocket scientist, what the hell is "PERSUE"&"PERSUING"? How do you argue anything if you can not spell simple words?

This case is not about a criminal coming into your home and your defence under SYG. It is about a criminal using SYG to commit murder.

 

[dmcowen674]

He'll most likely die in prison.

Too bad taxpayers will be providing shelter & food for so many years until he dies.

 

[Mursilis]

I know I'm going off on a tangent here, but how is this guy a "retired firefighter" at 47?!? Seems pretty young to be awarded retirement, unless he's on disability.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Heard this on the radio this morning.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...n-40-years-in-slaying-of-neighbor-3666967.php

Jury hands down 40 years in slaying of neighbor

 

[ichy]

Oh look, another Zimmerman thread.