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Pope visit to the US

I'm more or less a lapsed Lutheran, so not a big fan of the Pope to begin with even with a lapsed Catholic wife who isn't either.

But that is pretty funny, the Pope is too Liberal and scientifically advanced 😛

I gotta give the current one props.
 
Usually I couldn't care less what happens with the Vatican and it's corrupt denizens, but I'm smiling because this pope's visit should prove counter productive to the group of idiots currently vying for the GOP nomination.

Sounds good to me, c'mon over padre.
 
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Considering the sins Jesus spoke most about are hypocrisy, lack of love, greed, and pride - the Pope seems to be focusing on the things he's supposed to be.
 
So who will be the first jackass Republican to yell "you lie" during the Pope's joint session appearance?

Or is that level of disrespect just reserved for the negro?
 
This pope is way too involved in politics, he should stick to religion. His stance on freedom of speech (or lack of it) is an abomination, as is his idiotic position on some other stuff.
 
PokerGuy said:
This pope is way too involved in politics, he should stick to religion. His stance on freedom of speech (or lack of it) is an abomination, as is his idiotic position on some other stuff.
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Same position when JP2 worked w Reagan to fight Communism in Eastern Europe?
 
PokerGuy said:
This pope is way too involved in politics, he should stick to religion. His stance on freedom of speech (or lack of it) is an abomination, as is his idiotic position on some other stuff.
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His religion says to improve the plight of the poor, among other things.

When people use their religion to justify right wing things like opposition to abortion I don't hear conservatives saying they should leave their religion out of it, but when religion says to do left wing things like help the poor or accept the science on climate change, suddenly they should just ignore it.

Why the disconnect?
 
HomerJS said:
Same position when JP2 worked w Reagan to fight Communism in Eastern Europe?
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I think the problem is that politics are inherently divisive. Just yesterday, though I know this has been well documented over the years, it was pointed out that the Church's Spanish and White American adherents are divided simply because they're "lefties" and "righties" respectively.
 
PokerGuy said:
This pope is way too involved in politics, he should stick to religion. His stance on freedom of speech (or lack of it) is an abomination, as is his idiotic position on some other stuff.
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Actually we want all parts of society to get involved in the political process.

I would say it is way more important for politicians to stop using their religious beliefs in governing and running for office.
 
dawheat said:
Considering the sins Jesus spoke most about are hypocrisy, lack of love, greed, and pride - the Pope seems to be focusing on the things he's supposed to be.
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Oh yes, while some parishes around the world are so poor the priests and nuns barely have enough to eat and there's plenty of wealth in the Vatican to help alleviate said parishes. Yeah, no hypocrisy there.
 
HomerJS said:
Same position when JP2 worked w Reagan to fight Communism in Eastern Europe?
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Fighting for freedom of religion (ie, fighting for those who want to practice their religion to be able to do so) is part of religion, so I see no problem with that. Talking about global warming or other political crap that has nothing to do with religion is a different story.
 
The Duggars get involved with politics; Wha, wha dey do? It's perfectly OK for them to be involved in politics (when they donated $$$ to allow discrimination towards LGBT).

The Pope gets involved with politics; HOW DARE HE?! He should stick to religion, not politics - HUR DUR DUR!!!

The Pope is out to help people, like a true Christian, ergo the Righthadists have a problem with that, since:
1) he is a true Christian
2) he is helping out people

Typical Right hypocrisy: it's wrong when it does not support my view on how things should work in the world.
 
FerrelGeek said:
Oh yes, while some parishes around the world are so poor the priests and nuns barely have enough to eat and there's plenty of wealth in the Vatican to help alleviate said parishes. Yeah, no hypocrisy there.
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He has started, he has told some parishes and Cardinals to sell expensive property and live more modestly.

Again I find it funny that this quest to get the Pope here in the US started years ago and Republicans were so excited to have the Pope come here and talk about Gay Marriage being a sin against god and same with abortion. While this Pope does agree they are sins he has stated that they are too aren't the only things that should be spoken about. He is more about assisting the less fortunate and living modestly.
 
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PokerGuy said:
Fighting for freedom of religion (ie, fighting for those who want to practice their religion to be able to do so) is part of religion, so I see no problem with that. Talking about global warming or other political crap that has nothing to do with religion is a different story.
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Interesting that you are claiming to know more about what the Catholic religion is about than the fucking Pope.

Lol.
 
PokerGuy said:
Fighting for freedom of religion (ie, fighting for those who want to practice their religion to be able to do so) is part of religion, so I see no problem with that. Talking about global warming or other political crap that has nothing to do with religion is a different story.
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The genesis of the fight was the Solidarity movement which was communists cracking down on labor unions. JP2's involvement included Solidarity, human rights and religious freedom. JP2 was knee deep in politics at that time and not just on the religious front.
 
eskimospy said:
His religion says to improve the plight of the poor, among other things.
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And if he advocates that we should do more to help the poor, that's perfectly within the confines of his religious position. When he starts talking about just how that should be done, it steps over into politics and I'd kindly tell him to STFU.

When people use their religion to justify right wing things like opposition to abortion I don't hear conservatives saying they should leave their religion out of it
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For someone who thinks he's an expert on everything, you sure seem very confused. Abortion is an issue from a religion perspective (with most being fundamentally opposed to it). I have no problem with politicians talking about politics and policies -- even if they come at it from their personal religious perspective. Politics and policy is their job.

, but when religion says to do left wing things like help the poor or accept the science on climate change, suddenly they should just ignore it.
Why the disconnect?
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Religion says nothing about "accepting the science on climate change", that's just the pope going into politics. He's a left winger masquerading as a religious leader, and his opinions should be treated as such. If we're talking about Catholicism, I'll listen to him. If he's talking about political crap, not so much.
 
eskimospy said:
Interesting that you are claiming to know more about what the Catholic religion is about than the f*cking Pope.

Lol.
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In case you hadn't noticed, over the centuries the vatican has frequently strayed from their supposed mandate into politics. This is just another example.

I don't claim to know more about the religion than he does, that's the whole point. He's not talking about religion, he's just using his pulpit as a political platform. I'll have none of that, thanks.
 
I have no issues with the church working to help the plight of the poor. My wife and I donate to some very good Christian aid / relief ministries that do a fabulous job.

eskimospy said:
His religion says to improve the plight of the poor, among other things.

When people use their religion to justify right wing things like opposition to abortion I don't hear conservatives saying they should leave their religion out of it, but when religion says to do left wing things like help the poor or accept the science on climate change, suddenly they should just ignore it.

Why the disconnect?
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Newell Steamer said:
The Pope gets involved with politics; HOW DARE HE?! He should stick to religion, not politics - HUR DUR DUR!!!


Typical Right hypocrisy: it's wrong when it does not support my view on how things should work in the world.
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Actually, that doesn't at all represent my reasons for wanting to keep religion and politics completely separate.

Catholics are Christians, and so is the Pope, right? Thus, they all believe that Christ died for everyone, not just the poor, not just the rich, not just for Jews, not just for whites, etc. Hence, Christ isn't divided.

That being the case, why are there a such thing as "rightie" and "lefty" Catholics?

The love of Jesus should transcend all barriers that have long divided humans, and that love that Christians claim to have for EACH OTHER must transcend all barriers as well.

But this isn't what we see in Christianity, especially when they get all political and start picking candidates they support, or whether gay marriage should be legal, or a whole host of other partisan nonsense.

Its hard enough to love someone who's in your religion that you don't know, and its even harder when you hold these divisive political viewpoints.
 
FerrelGeek said:
I have no issues with the church working to help the plight of the poor. My wife and I donate to some very good Christian aid / relief ministries that do a fabulous job.
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Yep, in fact that's one of the things God specifically tells Christians to do. Zero problems with that, and zero problems with the pope saying we should do more to help our fellow people in need.
 
PokerGuy said:
In case you hadn't noticed, over the centuries the vatican has frequently strayed from their supposed mandate into politics. This is just another example.

I don't claim to know more about the religion than he does, that's the whole point. He's not talking about religion, he's just using his pulpit as a political platform. I'll have none of that, thanks.
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So you're not claiming to know more than the pope about his own religion, you're just saying that when he says these issues are religious ones he is wrong.

That's exactly saying you know more about his religion than he does. Lol.
 
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