Pope Sorry for Reaction to His Remarks

Brutuskend

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Pope Sorry for Reaction to His Remarks
By PIER PAOLO CITO, Associated Press Writer
4 hours ago

CASTEL GANDOLFO, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI said Sunday that he was "deeply sorry" about the angry reaction to his recent remarks about Islam, which he said came from a text that didn't reflect his personal opinion.

"These (words) were in fact a quotation from a Medieval text which do not in any way express my personal thought," Benedict told pilgrims at his summer palace outside Rome.

The pope sparked the controversy when, in a speech Tuesday to university professors during a pilgrimage to his native Germany, he cited the words of a Byzantine emperor who characterized some of the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad, Islam's founder, as "evil and inhuman."

"At this time I wish also to add that I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims," the pope said Sunday.

Muslim leaders in the Mideast gave mixed reactions to the pontiff's apology.

Mahmoud Ashour, the former deputy of Cairo's Al-Azhar Mosque, the Sunni Arab world's most powerful institution, told Al-Arabiya TV immediately after the pope's speech that, "It is not enough. He should apologize because he insulted the beliefs of Islam. He must apologize in a frank way and say he made a mistake."

Mohammed al-Nujeimi, a professor at the Institute of Judicial and Islamic Studies in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, also criticized the pope's statement.

"The pope does not want to apologize. He is evading apology and what he said today is a repetition of his previous statement," he told Al-Arabiya TV.

The Vatican released a statement Saturday saying the pope "sincerely regrets" that Muslims were offended, but stopped short of the apology demanded by many Muslim leaders.

But the leader of Egypt's largest Islamic political group, the Muslim Brotherhood, said that "while anger over the Pope's remarks is necessary, it shouldn't last for long."

"While he is the head of the Catholic Church in the world, many Europeans are not following (the church) so what he said won't influence them. Our relations with Christians should remain good, civilized and cooperative," Mohammed Mahdi Akef told The Associated Press.

Turkey's foreign minister said Sunday the pope was still expected to visit in November in what would be his first trip to a Muslim nation. "From our point of view, there is no change," Abdullah Gul told reporters before departing for a trip to the United States.

The Vatican's secretary of state echoed Gul's remarks.

"I hope that he will do" the trip, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone was quoted as saying by the Italian news agency ANSA. "Until now, there are no reasons not to make it."

Russian President Vladimir Putin earlier urged world religious leaders to show "responsibility and restraint" to avoid what he called "extremes" in relations between faiths.

"We understand perfectly how sensitive this sphere is. I think it would be right if we call for responsibility and restraint from the leaders of all world faiths," he said during a meeting with parliamentary leaders from Group of Eight nations in the Russian resort city of Sochi.

In his speech on Tuesday, Benedict quoted from a book recounting a conversation between 14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II and an educated Persian on the truths of Christianity and Islam.

"The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," the pope said. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"

The remarks sparked protests and some violence across parts of the Muslim world.

Earlier Sunday in the West Bank, two churches were set on fire as anger over the pope's comments grew throughout the Palestinian territories.

In the town of Tulkarem, a 170-year-old stone church was torched before dawn and its interior was destroyed, Christian officials said. In the village of Tubas, a small church was attacked with firebombs and partially burned, Christians said. Neither church is Catholic, the officials said.

Palestinian Muslims hurled firebombs and opened fire at five churches in the West Bank and Gaza Strip Saturday to protest the Pope's comments, sparking concerns of a rift between Palestinian Muslims and Christians.

Security was high at the summer palace before Benedict spoke Sunday. Police patted down many pilgrims, confiscating umbrellas with metal tips and bottles of liquids. Sharpshooters kept watch from a balcony and other officers, dressed like tourists, monitored the crowd with video cameras.

Police headquarters across Italy were also ordered to raise security at potential Catholic targets, the Italian news agency ANSA reported. However, at the Vatican, no additional security measures could be seen as tourists strolled across St. Peter's Square.


Italian Interior Minister Giuliano Amato said he believed tensions over Benedict's remarks wouldn't result in any further heightening of security concerns. He told Italian state radio that suspected terrorist cells under surveillance inside the country were considered to be focused on targets "outside of Italy."

 

dug777

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i don't get your point? :confused:

Some morons rioted, and destroyed the property of a DIFFERENT church, because the pope quoted some medieval text, then apologised...wow :p
 

Pabster

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The Pope shouldn't apologize for anything. He simply made the point that those perverting Islam are wrong. Killing others in the name of a religion is wrong. Both of which are accurate.

And yeah, this is classic P&N material.
 

Brutuskend

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Originally posted by: Pabster
The Pope shouldn't apologize for anything. He simply made the point that those perverting Islam are wrong. Killing others in the name of a religion is wrong. Both of which are accurate.

And yeah, this is classic P&N material.

Yeah I agree. And you are probably right on BOTH counts.

P&N that is.
 

SophalotJack

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Originally posted by: dug777
i don't get your point? :confused:

Some morons rioted, and destroyed the property of a DIFFERENT church, because the pope quoted some medieval text, then apologised...wow :p

religion's a helluva drug
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
The pope sparked the controversy when, in a speech Tuesday to university professors during a pilgrimage to his native Germany, he cited the words of a Byzantine emperor who characterized some of the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad, Islam's founder, as "evil and inhuman."

...

The remarks sparked protests and some violence across parts of the Muslim world.

Earlier Sunday in the West Bank, two churches were set on fire as anger over the pope's comments grew throughout the Palestinian territories.

In the town of Tulkarem, a 170-year-old stone church was torched before dawn and its interior was destroyed, Christian officials said. In the village of Tubas, a small church was attacked with firebombs and partially burned, Christians said. Neither church is Catholic, the officials said.

Palestinian Muslims hurled firebombs and opened fire at five churches in the West Bank and Gaza Strip Saturday to protest the Pope's comments, sparking concerns of a rift between Palestinian Muslims and Christians.

Yea, they sure showed them. :roll:
 

waggy

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yeah. after all the church NEVER has used force to get people to convert..
 
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did i get this right?

pope says muslims suck for using violence to support their religion

muslims call shens, then burn churches?

thats pretty screwy, though i wouldnt mind some MAD amongst the major religions
 

Kadarin

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The Islamic culture as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.
 

Molondo

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Islamic culture as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.


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Thats Something along the lines me saying

The black man as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without them.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: Molondo
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Islamic culture as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.


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Thats Something along the lines me saying

The black man as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without them.

lofl
 

mrSHEiK124

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Islamic culture as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.

Astaroth33 as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.
 

Madwand1

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The pope's quote said just about the same thing.

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman.."

And people wonder why muslims might be offended, and use the circumstances for fanning the flames further and promoting still more hatred.
 

waggy

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the pope was stupid. there is no way they wouldnt have known that this was going to anger the muslims. makes me wonder why he said it.
 

FelixDeCat

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Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The Islamic culture as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.

Astaroth33 as a whole is, IMO, worthless. The world would be a better place without it.

:laugh:


Off to P&N with this thread!
 

Madwand1

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I think he's also arrogantly academic and overly proud of being a European / German / Catholic in power. IMO, this is not the pope the world needs at this time. At least not one we need to meddle in muslim relations. He would have done much better to not demote his senior Islamic expert at the onset.
 

Madwand1

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To tell you the truth, I wouldn't expect a great deal from a pope, but I did have some hopes that he'd have some actual spiritual guidance behind the scenes. I'm not satisfied by being disappointed though, I think we, in a global sense, can do better. Eventually.
 

huberm

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i think it is funny how islamics got all offended that he quoted that, so they go burn churches, threaten his life, etc.

The islamics were offended because they feel they are not militant and harsh, yet they do this?
 

DeadByDawn

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He's just trying to stir things up so he can bring in his clone army and save the day and sieze power.
 

Madwand1

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Originally posted by: SSP
Originally posted by: Shawn
who cares what the pope says anyway?

Apprently millons of muslims do.

It's a bizarre situation. All that's really happening at this time is fanning the flames of hatred.

I agree, I think the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't really give a damn what the Pope says, and they should have accepted the second apology at face value and let the matter slide. But they didn't, and say words to the effect "we really want to hear what the pope thinks about Islam". Yeah, right.

I personally agree that the Pope's entire discourse is one that's really open to some detailed discussion and critique, but do we really have to do that in public with fires burning in the meanwhile?