Pontiac axed

[LTC8K6]

http://www.hsv.com.au/index.asp

HSV has the stuff...

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
http://blogs.edmunds.com/strai...-camaro-ss-sedan-.html

That's a horrible idea.

it could just as easily be called the impala or lumina. i don't see why they wouldn't use it to replace the current impala, which is far inferior IMO.

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

it could just as easily be called the impala or lumina. i don't see why they wouldn't use it to replace the current impala, which is far inferior IMO.

It's already Lumina in the mid-east. However, most Americans remember the Lumina shitheaps we got 15 years ago complete with peeling paint and drab interiors that fell apart on command. I doubt they'll want to bring that name back to the US.

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
Just cut every brand on monday
you guys think Chevy + cadillac alone can compete with the rest of the auto industry in america? the world?

Let's see what other companies (who aren't in danger of filing ch11) are doing:

• Toyota + Lexus
  Honda + Acura
  Nissan + Infiniti
  Ford + Lincoln (once Mercury gets the axe)

These companies are doing great with one mainstream and one luxury brand. If GM downsized to Chevy + Cadillac and followed the examples above, then I think it would be great for them in the long run. Yes, they might lose some sales for people who won't buy a Cadillac instead of a Buick and a Chevy instead of a GMC, but total number of sales is not what makes a company profitable.

Edit: According to WSJ, "Obama Auto Team Presses GM to Consider Getting Rid of GMC Brand".

 

[Pariah]

Toyota also has scion. Unless things have changed, Ford has not announced plans to axe Mercury. So half the four you listed aren't just 2 brands. Both Nissan and Toyota have asked for money from the their gov't as well. They aren't about to go bust, but they aren't exactly sailing through this unscathed either.

I don't think having a mainstream brand (Chevy), luxury brand (Cadillac), and a niche performance division (Pontiac) which is what they were planning on doing would have been difficult to sustain. Why are they keeping Buick? It's as pointless as Mercury is for Ford. Buick's lineup in China has very little in common with the US division, so why would getting rid of the US version have any effect on the Chinese market?

 

[Queasy]

Saturn gets the axe too

 

[KentState]

I'm curious as to which dealerships will start taking warranty work now that Pontiac and Saturn are gone. Especially for the Sky/Solstice and G8 since they are unique. I assume that Chevy may carry a version of each car eventually and hopefully they can hire a couple techs per dealership that used to work on them.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: KentState
I'm curious as to which dealerships will start taking warranty work now that Pontiac and Saturn are gone. Especially for the Sky/Solstice and G8 since they are unique. I assume that Chevy may carry a version of each car eventually and hopefully they can hire a couple techs per dealership that used to work on them.

Where are the parts going to come from in a year or two? I realize manufacturers make runs of parts and put some in inventory that get used over a certain period but once they are not making those parts anymore then warranty means nothing. Sorry Mr. Pontiac purchaser....your car is still under Obama's warranty but we don't have parts so we can't fix it.

 

[herm0016]

the parts will come from the same places the parts for any discontinued car come from, aftermarket parts makers usually buy the tooling from gm or whom ever is building the parts and then run them, they will probably be a little more expensive, but still around.

 

[LTC8K6]

Parts aren't difficult to find for Plymouths or Oldsmobiles, mainly because they used the same parts as the other brands.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: KentState
I'm curious as to which dealerships will start taking warranty work now that Pontiac and Saturn are gone. Especially for the Sky/Solstice and G8 since they are unique. I assume that Chevy may carry a version of each car eventually and hopefully they can hire a couple techs per dealership that used to work on them.

Where are the parts going to come from in a year or two? I realize manufacturers make runs of parts and put some in inventory that get used over a certain period but once they are not making those parts anymore then warranty means nothing. Sorry Mr. Pontiac purchaser....your car is still under Obama's warranty but we don't have parts so we can't fix it.

What's the difference between Pontiac/Saturns that are no longer being built and any other car not being built as far as warranty goes? I can't talk for other suppliers, but I know for a fact that we scrap tooling for cars once the mfg. stops making the cars. Doesn't mean that we can't make parts by hand in a prototype department though.

Pontiac/Saturn not making cars is no different than any other car that goes out of production with respect to parts during any period of time.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: KentState
I'm curious as to which dealerships will start taking warranty work now that Pontiac and Saturn are gone. Especially for the Sky/Solstice and G8 since they are unique. I assume that Chevy may carry a version of each car eventually and hopefully they can hire a couple techs per dealership that used to work on them.

Where are the parts going to come from in a year or two? I realize manufacturers make runs of parts and put some in inventory that get used over a certain period but once they are not making those parts anymore then warranty means nothing. Sorry Mr. Pontiac purchaser....your car is still under Obama's warranty but we don't have parts so we can't fix it.

What's the difference between Pontiac/Saturns that are no longer being built and any other car not being built as far as warranty goes? I can't talk for other suppliers, but I know for a fact that we scrap tooling for cars once the mfg. stops making the cars. Doesn't mean that we can't make parts by hand in a prototype department though.

Pontiac/Saturn not making cars is no different than any other car that goes out of production with respect to parts during any period of time.

Yep, and it's even easier for Pontiacs to be supported, as the vast majority of the operating replacement parts (motor stuff, transmission, brakes, A/C units, relays, etc) will overlap with a plethora of other models which means both supply and demand for those parts will guarantee widespread availability.

Getting a rear bumper cover in 10 years might mean scouring ebay or the like, but for the most part, it will just be a trip to Autozone or a quick order from an online vendor for pretty much anything you might need.

 

[KentState]

I was talking about which dealership will take on Saturn/Pontiac warranty work. No doubt there are a lot of cross-over parts on similar cars, but the truly unique ones like the G8 and Sky/Solsctice will need special parts kept in stock and additional training for the staff.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: KentState
I was talking about which dealership will take on Saturn/Pontiac warranty work. No doubt there are a lot of cross-over parts on similar cars, but the truly unique ones like the G8 and Sky/Solsctice will need special parts kept in stock and additional training for the staff.

Cars are cars man. There's no special training involved. Any GM dealership can perform warranty work on any GM car right now. I don't expect that to change assuming GM survives. Of that, I have serious doubts.

 

[Pariah]

Any GM dealership can perform warranty work on any GM car right now.

Speaking from experience, no they can't. That will have to change once GM starts getting rid of all these brands.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Any GM dealership can perform warranty work on any GM car right now.

Speaking from experience, no they can't. That will have to change once GM starts getting rid of all these brands.

That may be true. Another big problem that GM is going to have is cutting about half of it's dealerships out. Not only brands going away, but now half the number of dealerships to service what's remaining out there.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Any GM dealership can perform warranty work on any GM car right now.

Speaking from experience, no they can't. That will have to change once GM starts getting rid of all these brands.

In my area it's not only possible, I've done it. The Chevy dealer near me performed warranty work on my Buick. About 4 months ago.

 

[Pariah]

That's not a universal policy. I was refused work at a Chevy dealer because they told me since my car was still under warranty, they couldn't do cross brand work on it, and sent me to another dealership a few miles away.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: Pariah
That's not a universal policy. I was refused work at a Chevy dealer because they told me since my car was still under warranty, they couldn't do cross brand work on it, and sent me to another dealership a few miles away.

Well, I guess it could vary from area to area. The write up guy at the Chevy dealer told me they could do warranty work on any GM car including Saturn.

I'd venture a guess that the dealership you talked to is part of a consortium of dealers owned by the same entity or individual. They may have internal orders to only work on their own products.

It doesn't much matter - whatever.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
http://blogs.edmunds.com/strai...-camaro-ss-sedan-.html

That's a horrible idea.

it could just as easily be called the impala or lumina. i don't see why they wouldn't use it to replace the current impala, which is far inferior IMO.

I like that idea, but I'd rather they call it the Chevelle. Brings back the old days of muscular saloon days without the pontiac brand.

Impala just confuses people.

Chevelle SS would be cool.

Originally posted by: Queasy
Saturn gets the axe too

Good, what a bunch of shit cars.