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BBond

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There is an excellent article in the Asia Times by Pepe Escobar that explains the situation in Iraq regarding this vote.

For your enjoyment and edification...

How to constitute a civil war

By Pepe Escobar

Iraqis desperately need security, electricity, water, food rations, health care, education, jobs. Instead they get a referendum on a constitution few of Iraq's theoretical 15.7 million voters have debated and fewer still have even seen. Why? Because the occupying power said so. So forget about the real priorities needed to make life liveable. No constitution will be able to rule over a battlefield.

The US logic rules that the referendum is a crucial step in Iraq's democratic transition. But as Iraq is for the moment a vassal regime, the occupiers basically redacted the draft "constitution", which is based on the November 2003 "made in the USA" interim constitution known as the Transitional Administrative Law (TAL). TAL's supervisor was L Paul Bremer, the former American proconsul in Baghdad.

The new supervisor is Zalmay Khalilzad, the White House's former Afghan and current ambassador in Baghdad. During the redaction of the constitution, Khalilzad was described by Reuters as a "ubiquitous presence". Just in case, Khalilzad and his team of American Embassy officials even volunteered their own constitution text to the Iraqis.

At a minimum, according to the Washington Post, they "helped type up the draft and translate changes from English to Arabic". Khalilzad constantly tampered with the redaction. Then he used any trick in the "divide and rule" notebook to try to mollify the Shi'ite parties and "include" Sunnis in a kind of reconciled, centralized Iraq - to no avail. For this purpose, he used the services of the former US intelligence asset and former interim prime minister (for six months), Iyad Allawi.

Under a deal partly brokered by Khalilzad, Iraq's ruling Shi'ites and Kurds have agreed to make changes to the text of the charter that voters will consider on Saturday. The accord calls for a panel that could propose new revisions next year.

Sunnis can reject the draft constitution by recording two-thirds majorities in three of Iraq's 18 provinces. If the constitution is passed, elections will be held in December to elect a government. If it fails, the elections will install another interim administration to draft a new charter.

But whatever the outcome of the referendum, one result is certain: the birth of a sort of "Shi'iteistan" in central and southern Iraq, virtually autonomous, sitting on the bulk of Iraq's fabulous oil wealth, and with privileged cultural/diplomatic ties with Tehran. This certainly was not what Khalilzad's masters in Washington had dreamed of.

Iraq's Shi'ites, on the historical brink of their "intellectual and political emancipation", as the Shi'ite-based Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) put it, have clearly seen through Khalilzad's meddling game.

Ali al-Adad, a member of the central committee of the SCIRI, described it in al-Hayat newspaper as "an attempt to reshuffle the cards, with the aim to embarrass Shi'ite negotiators under the pretext of reinforcing national unity".

The creation of Shi'iteistan is non-negotiable, as for Shi'ites it means direct control over oil. Al-Adad added, "The adoption of a set of measures putting limitations on the creation of federal provinces ... would make it difficult for the Shi'ites to set up a province in the center and south in the future."

The SCIRI, already in power alongside the Dawa Party, is getting the constitution it wanted. From Najaf, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani has already stated this is what he wanted too and urged the Shi'ite masses to vote "yes".

But there are fissures even among Shi'ites. Sheikh Jawad al-Khalessi, the imam of the Kazimiya mosque in Baghdad, said that the constitution "answers to American objectives, but not the aspirations of Iraqis". He personally called for a boycott, "but I know that George W Bush is already preparing his declaration on the success of the constitution". Kalessi has a counter-proposal: a timetable for the end of the military occupation; UN supervision of Iraqi affairs; and UN-supervised elections.

What the whole constitutional show has achieved so far is to intensify Sunni Arab resistance. But Sunnis, as well as Shi'ites, also have nuanced takes on the matter. They may see through the "divide and rule" tactics inherent in any colonial project. But some, like the Iraq Islamic Party, finally decided to support - or at least not to boycott - the constitution vote because of the compromise on how the document can be amended.

For Sheikh Harith al-Dhari, secretary general of the powerful Sunni Association of Muslim Scholars (AMS), support for this constitution could only come after a set of conditions were met: a timetable for the end of military occupation; a definition of terrorism; full recognition of the Iraqi resistance; and full reinstatement of the Iraqi army.

Last Saturday, 21 Sunni Arab organizations, including the AMS, rejected the constitution, saying it "bears in it the germs of Iraq's division, the loss of its Arab identity and the plundering of its national wealth".

Sheikh Zakaria Tamimi, leader of the Sunni High Committee for Dawa, Irshad and Fatwa (Call, Guidance and Religious Decree) also voted "no". The majority of Sunni Arab organizations encouraged their supporters to register en masse - and that's what they did. But the aim is to defeat the constitution by the two-thirds of "no" votes in the three predominantly Sunni Arab provinces.

Tampering with a ghost
Many people in Iraq have not even seen a copy of the draft constitution. And it went through so many published drafts no one really knows what still stands. The "official", UN-printed final draft - 5 million copies of which started to be distributed less than two weeks before the vote - is already history. Not to mention that a mid-September UN internal confidential report suggests the constitution is a recipe for the breakup of Iraq.

So caught between resistance crossfire and yet one more US-imposed deadline, Iraqis are essentially voting for a ghost few have seen, and even if they have, it is not the genuine article: it will certainly be amended after a new parliament is elected on December 15. Moreover, whenever "lawmaker" Khalilzad is not happy, he will veto. Most of Iraq's extremely intractable issues will have to be debated later.

To compound the mess, the UN had to convince the current Iraqi parliament to reverse its decision to allow a majority of "potential", not actual, voters to decide the outcome of the referendum. Shi'ites and Kurds just wanted to make absolutely sure that Sunnis would not reject the constitution in three provinces - Anbar, Salah al-Din and Nineveh - of Iraq's 18. At least the original rules are again prevailing, according to which Sunnis can veto the constitution by getting a two-thirds "no" vote in three provinces, even if it is approved by a national majority.

After three decades of no possibility of political expression under Saddam and two-and-a-half years of occupation, no wonder voters are confused. There's the impression that if this ghost can be tampered with, even days before the vote, and so few have even seen the original, anything goes. Even more disturbing is that most Shi'ites and Sunnis will vote - "yes" or "no" - based not on a democratic exercise of their personal political beliefs, but on a fatwa from Sistani or a proclamation by the AMS.

Disappearing acts
Modern constitutions take years to be debated and written. The TAL ordered that Iraqis should form a government and write a constitution in six months. No wonder the rush job will be infinitely amended - not to mention the explosive risk of being implemented over the refusal of one of the country's key communities, the Sunni Arabs. Any constitution is supposed to avoid this kind of problem, not provoke it.

The definitive recipe for the breakup of Iraq is Article 115. It states:

Every province or more has the right to establish a region based on a request for a referendum to be submitted in one of the following ways:
1) A request from one-third of the members in each of the provincial councils in the provinces that wish to establish a region.
2) A request from one-tenth of the voters in each of the provinces that wish to establish a region.

In practice, this means that any two provinces can decide to become a "region" - with different laws from other regions (that's exactly what Kurds and Shi'ites want). Obviously, a region with its own laws, government and army is practically an independent country. The SCIRI, which controls nine of Iraq's 18 provinces, is already operating in this manner.

Another key article disappeared from the final (ie, today's) draft. It used to be Article 16, according to which:

1) It is forbidden for Iraq to be used as a base or corridor for foreign troops.
2) It is forbidden to have foreign military bases in Iraq.
3) The National Assembly can, when necessary, and with a majority of two thirds of its members, allow what is mentioned in 1 and 2 of this article.

The blatant contradiction speaks for itself. In the final draft, there's no reference to the crucial issue of occupation troops or occupation military bases - which raises the question: is Iraq set up to be under permanent US military occupation?

And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for
Of Iraq's 18 provinces, seven - Baghdad, Babil, Anbar, Salah al-Din, Nineveh, Kirkuk and Diyala - are in the center-north. Apart from the Sunni-majority Anbar, Salah al-Din and Nineveh, both Baghdad and Diyala are at least half Sunni. These are all important provinces, holding 13 million people, roughly half of Iraq's population - and that includes the 6 million people living in the capital, Baghdad.

The resistance is very active in all of these provinces - and not only in four, as the Pentagon maintains. As things stand, with or without a constitution, the resistance and the guerrillas can continue to cause havoc in these seven provinces on a daily basis for a long time.

If the constitution is rejected this Saturday, nothing will change, as far as Iraqis are concerned. The Bremer-approved TAL remains in place. There will still be parliamentary elections in December, and a new interim parliament will have to start all over again. Shi'ites will be furious. But for them it's not the end of the game. The new parliament will once again be dominated by Shi'ites and a modified version of this tampered constitution will resurface.

If the constitution is rejected, the different strands of the Sunni Arab resistance movement - as well as al-Qaeda in Iraq - will be encouraged, because, for them, although with nuances, this is the occupiers' piece of paper. But even if the constitution is approved, the same thing will happen. Sunni Arabs will concentrate on the fact that they have been excluded, they are out of the game and have nothing left to lose. The resistance will become even bloodier. There couldn't have been a more constitutional way to civil war.
 

sonz70

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: sonz70
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: Pabster
Chee, the crappers are out already. What a shock.

Yup, just like those who want to see this so-called vote as another turning point that will justify an illegal, costly, immoral an unnecessary war.

:thumbsup: to the Iraqi people for defying the terrorists and voting in (by all early accounts) unbelievably high numbers.

Interesting, in spite of the evidence and legal standing to the contrary, any Iraqi who DARES not to want to live under US occupation and brutality is a "terrorist."


They stoped fighting against the occupation the momment they began killing children, woman and man civilians.

Again, just because these things offend you doesn't change the dynamics of the way people behave under occupation. Non-combatants have always been targets under these circumstances, and more. Since you're so exercised over civilian deaths, how do you feel about our military killing\abusing so many non-combatants? Are we terrorists too, or do our supposedly "pure" motives wipe away any negative connotations?


Yes, the US military is also categorized as terrorist for the actions in Iraq resulting in targeting/ accidently or not, that is a different debate, civillians.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: sonz70
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: sonz70
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: Pabster
Chee, the crappers are out already. What a shock.

Yup, just like those who want to see this so-called vote as another turning point that will justify an illegal, costly, immoral an unnecessary war.

:thumbsup: to the Iraqi people for defying the terrorists and voting in (by all early accounts) unbelievably high numbers.

Interesting, in spite of the evidence and legal standing to the contrary, any Iraqi who DARES not to want to live under US occupation and brutality is a "terrorist."


They stoped fighting against the occupation the momment they began killing children, woman and man civilians.

Again, just because these things offend you doesn't change the dynamics of the way people behave under occupation. Non-combatants have always been targets under these circumstances, and more. Since you're so exercised over civilian deaths, how do you feel about our military killing\abusing so many non-combatants? Are we terrorists too, or do our supposedly "pure" motives wipe away any negative connotations?


Yes, the US military is also categorized as terrorist for the actions in Iraq resulting in targeting/ accidently or not, that is a different debate, civillians.

Yep, I read an article in today's newspaper that said Southern Russian cities were attacked by "militants". :confused:

I keep trying to explain to some of our thicker headed members that terrorists are in the eye of the beholder. The people who murdered all of those school children in Beslan are considered terrorists by the Russian government yet George W. Bush allowed leaders of their "movement" asylum in the USA and refers to them as "rebels".

Terrorist acts, whethre perpetrated by Usama or George are terrorist acts to the victims.

 

sonz70

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: sonz70
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: sonz70
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: Pabster
Chee, the crappers are out already. What a shock.

Yup, just like those who want to see this so-called vote as another turning point that will justify an illegal, costly, immoral an unnecessary war.

:thumbsup: to the Iraqi people for defying the terrorists and voting in (by all early accounts) unbelievably high numbers.

Interesting, in spite of the evidence and legal standing to the contrary, any Iraqi who DARES not to want to live under US occupation and brutality is a "terrorist."


They stoped fighting against the occupation the momment they began killing children, woman and man civilians.

Again, just because these things offend you doesn't change the dynamics of the way people behave under occupation. Non-combatants have always been targets under these circumstances, and more. Since you're so exercised over civilian deaths, how do you feel about our military killing\abusing so many non-combatants? Are we terrorists too, or do our supposedly "pure" motives wipe away any negative connotations?


Yes, the US military is also categorized as terrorist for the actions in Iraq resulting in targeting/ accidently or not, that is a different debate, civillians.

Yep, I read an article in today's newspaper that said Southern Russian cities were attacked by "militants". :confused:

I keep trying to explain to some of our thicker headed members that terrorists are in the eye of the beholder. The people who murdered all of those school children in Beslan are considered terrorists by the Russian government yet George W. Bush allowed leaders of their "movement" asylum in the USA and refers to them as "rebels".

Terrorist acts, whethre perpetrated by Usama or George are terrorist acts to the victims.


The US Television/spin had them portrayed as freedom fighters against Russia, even though they were attacking civilians already. They only spun it once the school massacre happened and than labbeled them as terrorists, and now they have been downgraded to rebels again.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: BBond
There is an excellent article in the Asia Times by Pepe Escobar that explains the situation in Iraq regarding this vote.

For your enjoyment and edification...

Interesting read, B. Thanks.

 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Our political system needs at least a few fools to keep things entertaining.

If the level of naivety and ignorance in this thread so far is any hint, it has all the tools it needs.

 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Our political system needs at least a few fools to keep things entertaining.

If the level of naivety and ignorance in this thread so far is any hint, it has all the tools it needs.

Just as cryptic as usual, Pabs. :thumbsup:

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: BBond
There is an excellent article in the Asia Times by Pepe Escobar that explains the situation in Iraq regarding this vote.

For your enjoyment and edification...

Interesting read, B. Thanks.

You're welcome, HW.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: ntdz
Are you telling me the freedom fighters you support don't fit under than definition? If you say they don't, then YOU can't comprehend English.

According to you, any Iraqi who doesn't play by your limp-wristed ROE is automatically a filthy, Freedom(tm) hating "terrorist." You haven't shown yourself capable of any subtlety or empathy so far, why try to pull it out of your ass now? Just keep emoting all over the place, acting like a crybaby and proving how stupid you are. You're much better at this.

BTW, I recall a bunch of people and Washington types getting all wet and salty over the January "elections." See how THAT turned out?

You didn't answer my question. Do the freedom fighters, as you call them, fit under the definition of terrorist that I gave you? You instead put words into my mouth. Where did I say "any Iraqi who doesn't play by your limp-wristed ROE is automatically a filthy, Freedom(tm) hating terrorist."? Please point that out to me please. Come back when you get a brain, or a heart.
 

JTWill

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: ntdz
No, any Iraqi who starts bombing their own citizens and threatens to kill citizens for voting is a terrorist.

No, that's not the way guerilla warfare under a foreign occupation works. Those who collaborate with the occupier, for good or ill, are fair game. There's also the fact that there's a civil war underpinning all of this.

guerilla warfare
noun
Definition: sudden unexpected attacks carried out by an unofficial military group or groups that are trying to change the government by assaults on the armed forces


Again, perceived collaborators have always been subject to reprisals under these circumstances.


Same for me.

There's nothing in or about the Iraqi contsitution that indicates r otherwise addresses an American pullout any time soon.

The Iraqi's have their own government now, and they voted for their own constitution and representatives. They aren't collaborating with the U.S. by voting, they are merely participating in their own ELECTED government. If you want to defend the suicide bombings and slaughter of innocent school children, go right ahead. Good luck going to sleep at night.

No they don't. What they have is viewed by the majority as a puppet that would be swept away if it wasn't protected by American force of arms. This may surprise you, but the act of voting can be veiwed in many different ways. Playing along with the wishes of an occupying power can easily be seen as collaboration by people driven to desperation.

Don't you dare try to label me a "defender of baby killers", or adopt a holier than thou attitude. I haven't once said anything of the kind. If I wanted to jerk my knee I could just as easily accuse you of being a propagandized and ignorant dupe, who wants to sugarcoat reality because he can't stomach facts and\or history. Let's not go there.

I'm not the one defending terrorists, you are. Don't even talk to me about being ignorant.

You're full of sh1t and don't appear to be able to read English with any comprehension. If you HAVE to believe I'm defending terrorists here, then you just go right ahead, chimp. I couldn't care less. BTW, continue supporting imperialism, believing ANYTHING you're told that feeds your completely ignorant\hyper-emotional worldview and kissing Bush's ass.

Our political system needs at least a few fools to keep things entertaining.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=terrorism

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Are you telling me the freedom fighters you support don't fit under than definition? If you say they don't, then YOU can't comprehend English.

Why are you even bothering with a fool. that man would not know what a warrior is to save his life. Crapped the thread up good to. Seems 90+% of the Iraqis eligable to vote thought enough of the process to risk themselves to see it through.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: JTWill
Why are you even bothering with a fool. that man would not know what a warrior is to save his life. Crapped the thread up good to. Seems 90+% of the Iraqis eligable to vote thought enough of the process to risk themselves to see it through.

:) Another self-deluded, brainwashed d1ckhead chimes in! 247 posts and this chimp is already trying to redefine reality and ride herd. What's your problem b1tch, the old man not supplying the attention you need?

(that's a rhetorical question BTW, you obviously wouldn't know a civilized P&N discussion if it crawled up your ass and died, so fock off please, this is ALL the attention you'll get from me)

 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: ntdz
Are you telling me the freedom fighters you support don't fit under than definition? If you say they don't, then YOU can't comprehend English.

According to you, any Iraqi who doesn't play by your limp-wristed ROE is automatically a filthy, Freedom(tm) hating "terrorist." You haven't shown yourself capable of any subtlety or empathy so far, why try to pull it out of your ass now? Just keep emoting all over the place, acting like a crybaby and proving how stupid you are. You're much better at this.

BTW, I recall a bunch of people and Washington types getting all wet and salty over the January "elections." See how THAT turned out?

You didn't answer my question. Do the freedom fighters, as you call them, fit under the definition of terrorist that I gave you? You instead put words into my mouth. Where did I say "any Iraqi who doesn't play by your limp-wristed ROE is automatically a filthy, Freedom(tm) hating terrorist."? Please point that out to me please. Come back when you get a brain, or a heart.

What a load of BS! You're running in circles, dude. I asked you to keep it cool and you couldn't, so get lost.

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: ntdz
Are you telling me the freedom fighters you support don't fit under than definition? If you say they don't, then YOU can't comprehend English.

According to you, any Iraqi who doesn't play by your limp-wristed ROE is automatically a filthy, Freedom(tm) hating "terrorist." You haven't shown yourself capable of any subtlety or empathy so far, why try to pull it out of your ass now? Just keep emoting all over the place, acting like a crybaby and proving how stupid you are. You're much better at this.

BTW, I recall a bunch of people and Washington types getting all wet and salty over the January "elections." See how THAT turned out?

You didn't answer my question. Do the freedom fighters, as you call them, fit under the definition of terrorist that I gave you? You instead put words into my mouth. Where did I say "any Iraqi who doesn't play by your limp-wristed ROE is automatically a filthy, Freedom(tm) hating terrorist."? Please point that out to me please. Come back when you get a brain, or a heart.

That's hilarious. A Bushie telling someone to get a heart over Iraq.

 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
What a load of BS! You're running in circles, dude. I asked you to keep it cool and you couldn't, so get lost.

Take your own advice.

 

BBond

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The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

That describes Bush and his PNAC buddies regarding Iraq perfectly. They unlawfully used force which they justified with lies against people and property in Iraq. They intimidated and coerced Iraqi society for ideological and political reasons.

Bush and his worshippers along with those PNAC ideologues who led him around by the nose are terrorists by your own definition.
 

JTWill

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: JTWill
Why are you even bothering with a fool. that man would not know what a warrior is to save his life. Crapped the thread up good to. Seems 90+% of the Iraqis eligable to vote thought enough of the process to risk themselves to see it through.

:) Another self-deluded, brainwashed d1ckhead chimes in! 247 posts and this chimp is already trying to redefine reality and ride herd. What's your problem b1tch, the old man not supplying the attention you need?

(that's a rhetorical question BTW, you obviously wouldn't know a civilized P&N discussion if it crawled up your ass and died, so fock off please, this is ALL the attention you'll get from me)

No this USArmy Colonel knows a BS artist when he hears one. Your as much a warrior as my pregnant pussy cat.
The subject was about Iraqis Vote and it does not matter what you or I think about them. This time its only the Iraqis that count fool.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: ntdz
Are you telling me the freedom fighters you support don't fit under than definition? If you say they don't, then YOU can't comprehend English.

According to you, any Iraqi who doesn't play by your limp-wristed ROE is automatically a filthy, Freedom(tm) hating "terrorist." You haven't shown yourself capable of any subtlety or empathy so far, why try to pull it out of your ass now? Just keep emoting all over the place, acting like a crybaby and proving how stupid you are. You're much better at this.

BTW, I recall a bunch of people and Washington types getting all wet and salty over the January "elections." See how THAT turned out?

You didn't answer my question. Do the freedom fighters, as you call them, fit under the definition of terrorist that I gave you? You instead put words into my mouth. Where did I say "any Iraqi who doesn't play by your limp-wristed ROE is automatically a filthy, Freedom(tm) hating terrorist."? Please point that out to me please. Come back when you get a brain, or a heart.

That's hilarious. A Bushie telling someone to get a heart over Iraq.

:laugh: Damn, B!

 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
What a load of BS! You're running in circles, dude. I asked you to keep it cool and you couldn't, so get lost.

Take your own advice.

Because your clownish, thoughtless ass SAYS so? You're a pathetic joke Pabs, and we're both well aware of it.

Unless you have something OT for me to contend with, this little exchange is over.

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: JTWill
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: JTWill
Why are you even bothering with a fool. that man would not know what a warrior is to save his life. Crapped the thread up good to. Seems 90+% of the Iraqis eligable to vote thought enough of the process to risk themselves to see it through.

:) Another self-deluded, brainwashed d1ckhead chimes in! 247 posts and this chimp is already trying to redefine reality and ride herd. What's your problem b1tch, the old man not supplying the attention you need?

(that's a rhetorical question BTW, you obviously wouldn't know a civilized P&N discussion if it crawled up your ass and died, so fock off please, this is ALL the attention you'll get from me)

No this USArmy Colonel knows a BS artist when he hears one. Your as much a warrior as my pregnant pussy cat.
The subject was about Iraqis Vote and it does not matter what you or I think about them. This time its only the Iraqis that count fool.

The Iraqis are voting for a constitution that is unclear to them or the people who wrote it. Five million copies were printed but not distributed until only days prior to the vote but that really didn't matter because there were revisions and ammendments made almost up until the minute voting started.

What a fvcking joke.

This is a vassal government, a puppet regime of the Bush White House. The only outcome of this or any other actions of the invaders will be more violence, more bloodshed, and more U.S. tyranny.


 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Because your clownish, thoughtless ass SAYS so? You're a pathetic joke Pabs, and we're both well aware of it.

Pot->Kettle->Black

Your personal attacks and insults are as pathetic as your lack of fact and evidence to support anything you offer up.

Unless you have something OT for me to contend with, this little exchange is over.

Go ask Mommy if you can still use the PC. I think it's past your bedtime.

 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: JTWillNo this USArmy Colonel knows a BS artist when he hears one.

Sorry, I'm not impressed by internet puff-up talk and chest thumping. It should be clear to even you that I?m NOT going to take the bait. You can clean toilets for a living and still be just as pompous, asinine and out-of-touch as you obviously are, sweetie.

Anything else? I sure hope not, because your witless prattle is deathly boring, not to mention utterly off-topic.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Because your clownish, thoughtless ass SAYS so? You're a pathetic joke Pabs, and we're both well aware of it.

Pot->Kettle->Black

Your personal attacks and insults are as pathetic as your lack of fact and evidence to support anything you offer up.

Unless you have something OT for me to contend with, this little exchange is over.

Go ask Mommy if you can still use the PC. I think it's past your bedtime.

Oh please. Go away Pabs, I'm not going to play this game with you yet again. Either get OT or find someone else to joust with.

 

JTWill

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Because your clownish, thoughtless ass SAYS so? You're a pathetic joke Pabs, and we're both well aware of it.

Pot->Kettle->Black

Your personal attacks and insults are as pathetic as your lack of fact and evidence to support anything you offer up.

Unless you have something OT for me to contend with, this little exchange is over.

Go ask Mommy if you can still use the PC. I think it's past your bedtime.

I think your right, maybe mommy forgot to give it its nap and its cranky.;)
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: JTWill
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Because your clownish, thoughtless ass SAYS so? You're a pathetic joke Pabs, and we're both well aware of it.

Pot->Kettle->Black

Your personal attacks and insults are as pathetic as your lack of fact and evidence to support anything you offer up.

Unless you have something OT for me to contend with, this little exchange is over.

Go ask Mommy if you can still use the PC. I think it's past your bedtime.

I think your right, maybe mommy forgot to give it its nap and its cranky.;)

Crank this.
 

HardWarrior

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Jan 26, 2004
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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: JTWill
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Because your clownish, thoughtless ass SAYS so? You're a pathetic joke Pabs, and we're both well aware of it.

Pot->Kettle->Black

Your personal attacks and insults are as pathetic as your lack of fact and evidence to support anything you offer up.

Unless you have something OT for me to contend with, this little exchange is over.

Go ask Mommy if you can still use the PC. I think it's past your bedtime.

I think your right, maybe mommy forgot to give it its nap and its cranky.;)

Crank this.

;) Yeah, hard and FAST!