I would accept them--other people getting married really has very little (if any) effect on me. There are so many issues facing us that are more important than raising any kind of fuss over this.
The poll results are heartening... nice to see the tide beginning to change. I bet if the same poll was done 1-2 years ago you'd see the "No"s with the majority.
The sad thing is that the "No"s DO have the majority in national polls... but I do expect that to change as we become a more enlightened society.
l2c
The poll results are heartening... nice to see the tide beginning to change. I bet if the same poll was done 1-2 years ago you'd see the "No"s with the majority.
The sad thing is that the "No"s DO have the majority in national polls... but I do expect that to change as we become a more enlightened society.
l2c
so if two people got married but decided before they never wanted children, by your definition theirs is not a traditional marriage, which spits in the face of the tradition of marriage, so they shouldn't be allowed to marry, either. in fact, we should pass a law right now stating that you must intend to and eventually have children, whether naturally or by adoption, otherwise you cannot be married.
lotsa bigots on this board are having a hard time adjusting to 21 century society.
I have to seriously disagree. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it.
Its bad enough that our society gets more and more wussified every year. But allowing gay marriages has to be the last step to pure wussification and will only show that we are not a democratic country anymore.
Originally posted by: dolph
so if two people got married but decided before they never wanted children, by your definition theirs is not a traditional marriage, which spits in the face of the tradition of marriage, so they shouldn't be allowed to marry, either. in fact, we should pass a law right now stating that you must intend to and eventually have children, whether naturally or by adoption, otherwise you cannot be married.
lotsa bigots on this board are having a hard time adjusting to 21 century society.
Read a little more into the thread. That's not my view. I was just using something I heard to spark a discussion so that both viewpoints could be thoroughly discuss. My personal opinion is that I don't care what they do. I don't agree with it, but I don't think that the government should regulate it. I would accept it, even though I don't agree with it. I hardly think I'm a bigot.
dtyn,
Because it is a minority opinion.
-edit- even on this extremely young board it is a miniority opinion.
Because it is a minority opinion.
-edit- even on this extremely young board it is a miniority opinion.
Very good point. If you want to live in a democratic society, accept the things that the majority want.
What if the majority want a return to slavery?
Or to close the borders to ALL immigrants?
Extreme conservative thinking is a hazardous exercise.
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That's the most perverse ideal of democracy I've ever heard. Just because you don't have the votes doesn't mean you have to abandon your beliefs.
As is extreme liberal thinking. Any extreme is dangerous, and absurd. Moderates make much better points, usually.
Then your statement is equally absurd.
Accept what the majority wants, drop your pants, bend over, and grab your ankles.
Accepting things doesn't mean you have to change your beliefs. I accept gays, but I still believe its wrong. Accepting means you learn to deal with it, even though you believe differently. I guess "coping" would be a better word.
Oh? Wussification... what kind of rationale is that?
I would very much welcome your explanation as to just what exactly you define "wussification" to be and furthermore what harm you believe it is causing our society. What and when, in your opinion, was the genesis of said "wussification". Which trends in our recent history would you cite as examples of "wussification"?
I'm curious to see if you relate this back to women's lib.
l2c
Originally posted by: conjur
Then your statement is equally absurd.
Accept what the majority wants, drop your pants, bend over, and grab your ankles.
So, democracy allows for people to try to change the minds of the majority? Instead of accepting it, they can deal with it while it's in place, and work to change it. Interesting...
I could maybe go for that. Call it Garrige or Fairrige.
Why is it that if someone is against re-writing traditional marriage laws to make homosexuals feel better about themselves, that they must therefore be homophobic bigots?
What happens when churches and other religious organizations (except the episcopoals) refuse to rent out their facilities for gay marriages? Should they be sued for discrimination?
we never have been a truly democratic society, and i 'm not convinced that it would be better that way. the average score on the SAT is 1000... sure standardized tests don't mean anything, but still. 1000.
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Realizing that I'm about to put words in your mouth, I don't think you do accept gays. The idea that "gays are okay as long as I don't have to see or hear them" is pretty much the definition of a second-class citizen.
I'm saying the democracy means you don't need to just cope, either. You can assemble, speak, editorialize, and petition. If the votes aren't there now, work to find them. Of course, the conservative view that this is a moral issue and the liberal view that it's a social equality one is the reason there's never any agreement in these debates.
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: conjur
Then your statement is equally absurd.
Accept what the majority wants, drop your pants, bend over, and grab your ankles.
So, democracy allows for people to try to change the minds of the majority? Instead of accepting it, they can deal with it while it's in place, and work to change it. Interesting...
Your statement above If you want to live in a democratic society, accept the things that the majority want. is the opposite of what you just wrote.
Which is it?
why does it matter whether or not it makes homos feel better about themselves?
also, right now marriages in any state are recognized by other states... there are people who are trying to get it so that there will be an exception made for homo marriages. why go through the trouble?
you don't need a church to get married...
I guess it is my opinion that the majority should rule.
And by wussification I mean the overall trend of our country to pander to the severe minority.
Political Correctness is the best thought that comes to mind as well as being scared of offending somebody. That is pretty "wussified."
And by wussification I mean the overall trend of our country to pander to the severe minority.
Political Correctness is the best thought that comes to mind as well as being scared of offending somebody. That is pretty "wussified."
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