Poll: Would you accept gay marriages?

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BeauJangles

Lifer
Aug 26, 2001
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Yes. There is a seperation between religious marriages and legal marriages. Religeons can descriminate against anyone they want concerning their marriage practices government, however, is bound by the constitution which calls for a seperation between church and state. Therefore I see no reason why Gay marriages shouldn't be allowed.

Edit: as for "spitting in the face of marriage" that would only be true of religious marriage, i guess. But, sorry, your religious beliefs do not extend to other people's rights. And there is a difference between a religious and legal marriage.
 

Gyrene

Banned
Jun 6, 2002
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Originally posted by: LakAttack
Originally posted by: dtyn
No. It spits in the face of the tradition of marriage. Let them enjoy a partnership together, let them share in the benefits, I don't care as long as I don't see it. But to call it marriage is completely wrong. The end purpose of marriage is to have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy. Gay "marriages" would not do so, and as so cannot be considered a traditional marriage. However, I have no strong conviction either way.

I am curious. What if a hetersexual man or woman is sterile? He/She would not be able "to have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy." Should they not be allowed to marry?

They should be allowed to marry, because they still create the traditional mother/father environment, should they choose to adopt. The fact that they could not spread their own genes should be dealt by each individual family. However, as I said, I carry no strong views one way or the other.
 

fs5

Lifer
Jun 10, 2000
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the way I see it society views this akin to interracial marriage. People reject the idea at first then gradually as the sane minded people take over, it will eventually be accepted as a whole. We just need more sane minded people to tell the conservative people that it's okay.
 

gopunk

Lifer
Jul 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: LakAttack
Originally posted by: dtyn
No. It spits in the face of the tradition of marriage. Let them enjoy a partnership together, let them share in the benefits, I don't care as long as I don't see it. But to call it marriage is completely wrong. The end purpose of marriage is to have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy. Gay "marriages" would not do so, and as so cannot be considered a traditional marriage. However, I have no strong conviction either way.

I am curious. What if a hetersexual man or woman is sterile? He/She would not be able "to have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy." Should they not be allowed to marry?

They should be allowed to marry, because they still create the traditional mother/father environment, should they choose to adopt. The fact that they could not spread their own genes should be dealt by each individual family. However, as I said, I carry no strong views one way or the other.

but you just said the end purpose of a family is to "have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy", which sterile couples can not do. they can have a family, but so can gay couples. nowhere did you mention anything about creating a "traditional mother/father environment", and i don't really see why that should be included in the definition of marriage. the purpose of marriage is to create a stable environment for the family.
 

Vette73

Lifer
Jul 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: pacmanfan
Originally posted by: spidey07
Where is the "hell No, no freaking way, when hell freezes over" button?


Wheres the button for "I am a biggot idiot" so these 2 and others can click it.

rolleye.gif
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: fivespeed5
the way I see it society views this akin to interracial marriage. People reject the idea at first then gradually as the sane minded people take over, it will eventually be accepted as a whole. We just need more sane minded people to tell the conservative people that it's okay.

Hear!   Hear!
 

KK

Lifer
Jan 2, 2001
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Yeah, just imagine if two guys were married, and then got a divorce. Which guy would get screwed in the settlement?

The whole gay marriage thing is fvckin idiotic. Let's start changing the english language to fit our own gayness. We gave them hershey highway, why do they need another. :)

KK
 

Gyrene

Banned
Jun 6, 2002
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Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: LakAttack
Originally posted by: dtyn
No. It spits in the face of the tradition of marriage. Let them enjoy a partnership together, let them share in the benefits, I don't care as long as I don't see it. But to call it marriage is completely wrong. The end purpose of marriage is to have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy. Gay "marriages" would not do so, and as so cannot be considered a traditional marriage. However, I have no strong conviction either way.

I am curious. What if a hetersexual man or woman is sterile? He/She would not be able "to have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy." Should they not be allowed to marry?

They should be allowed to marry, because they still create the traditional mother/father environment, should they choose to adopt. The fact that they could not spread their own genes should be dealt by each individual family. However, as I said, I carry no strong views one way or the other.

but you just said the end purpose of a family is to "have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy", which sterile couples can not do. they can have a family, but so can gay couples. nowhere did you mention anything about creating a "traditional mother/father environment", and i don't really see why that should be included in the definition of marriage. the purpose of marriage is to create a stable environment for the family.

And the end purpose is to continue you're family legacy. The sterile couple will make the choice not to pass on their genes when they marry. That aside, a gay couple will find it rather difficult to provide a stable environment for the child when the child realizes he is an outcast compared to the rest of society. Will the kid be raised to think that gay marriages are what are supposed to happen? If that trent continues, will humanity die out due to the lack of procreation. Yes, those are extremes, but why not point them out? They could happen.
(Note: These are not my true opinions, I'm just trying to create an arguement so that both sides can present valid views, since no one else seems to want to argue.)
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: LakAttack
Originally posted by: dtyn
No. It spits in the face of the tradition of marriage. Let them enjoy a partnership together, let them share in the benefits, I don't care as long as I don't see it. But to call it marriage is completely wrong. The end purpose of marriage is to have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy. Gay "marriages" would not do so, and as so cannot be considered a traditional marriage. However, I have no strong conviction either way.

I am curious. What if a hetersexual man or woman is sterile? He/She would not be able "to have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy." Should they not be allowed to marry?

They should be allowed to marry, because they still create the traditional mother/father environment, should they choose to adopt. The fact that they could not spread their own genes should be dealt by each individual family. However, as I said, I carry no strong views one way or the other.

but you just said the end purpose of a family is to "have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy", which sterile couples can not do. they can have a family, but so can gay couples. nowhere did you mention anything about creating a "traditional mother/father environment", and i don't really see why that should be included in the definition of marriage. the purpose of marriage is to create a stable environment for the family.

And the end purpose is to continue you're family legacy. The sterile couple will make the choice not to pass on their genes when they marry. That aside, a gay couple will find it rather difficult to provide a stable environment for the child when the child realizes he is an outcast compared to the rest of society. Will the kid be raised to think that gay marriages are what are supposed to happen? If that trent continues, will humanity die out due to the lack of procreation. Yes, those are extremes, but why not point them out? They could happen.
(Note: These are not my true opinions, I'm just trying to create an arguement so that both sides can present valid views, since no one else seems to want to argue.)

And why would that child be an outcast?

Could it be due to closed-minded bigots????

Hmm...I think perhaps it would be.
 

Gyrene

Banned
Jun 6, 2002
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: LakAttack
Originally posted by: dtyn
No. It spits in the face of the tradition of marriage. Let them enjoy a partnership together, let them share in the benefits, I don't care as long as I don't see it. But to call it marriage is completely wrong. The end purpose of marriage is to have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy. Gay "marriages" would not do so, and as so cannot be considered a traditional marriage. However, I have no strong conviction either way.

I am curious. What if a hetersexual man or woman is sterile? He/She would not be able "to have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy." Should they not be allowed to marry?

They should be allowed to marry, because they still create the traditional mother/father environment, should they choose to adopt. The fact that they could not spread their own genes should be dealt by each individual family. However, as I said, I carry no strong views one way or the other.

but you just said the end purpose of a family is to "have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy", which sterile couples can not do. they can have a family, but so can gay couples. nowhere did you mention anything about creating a "traditional mother/father environment", and i don't really see why that should be included in the definition of marriage. the purpose of marriage is to create a stable environment for the family.

And the end purpose is to continue you're family legacy. The sterile couple will make the choice not to pass on their genes when they marry. That aside, a gay couple will find it rather difficult to provide a stable environment for the child when the child realizes he is an outcast compared to the rest of society. Will the kid be raised to think that gay marriages are what are supposed to happen? If that trent continues, will humanity die out due to the lack of procreation. Yes, those are extremes, but why not point them out? They could happen.
(Note: These are not my true opinions, I'm just trying to create an arguement so that both sides can present valid views, since no one else seems to want to argue.)

And why would that child be an outcast?

Could it be due to closed-minded bigots????

Hmm...I think perhaps it would be.

Yes, it would be. But that's the sad fact of life. You're never going to get rid of them all. Some people will never budge on an opinion, not even if you threaten their life. So, why would you knowingly put your/a child in a situation where he/she is doomed to be an outcast?
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
58,686
3
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Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: dtyn
And the end purpose is to continue you're family legacy. The sterile couple will make the choice not to pass on their genes when they marry. That aside, a gay couple will find it rather difficult to provide a stable environment for the child when the child realizes he is an outcast compared to the rest of society. Will the kid be raised to think that gay marriages are what are supposed to happen? If that trent continues, will humanity die out due to the lack of procreation. Yes, those are extremes, but why not point them out? They could happen.
(Note: These are not my true opinions, I'm just trying to create an arguement so that both sides can present valid views, since no one else seems to want to argue.)

And why would that child be an outcast?

Could it be due to closed-minded bigots????

Hmm...I think perhaps it would be.

Yes, it would be. But that's the sad fact of life. You're never going to get rid of them all. Some people will never budge on an opinion, not even if you threaten their life. So, why would you knowingly put your/a child in a situation where he/she is doomed to be an outcast?

Perhaps, out of love for the child? A father and his son/daughter who falls in love w/another man? Or they adopt one?

It's ok for Rosie O'Donnell, a lesbian, but not two gay men?

I have no respect for people who hold double-standards (and bigoted ones at that).
 

gopunk

Lifer
Jul 7, 2001
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And the end purpose is to continue you're family legacy. The sterile couple will make the choice not to pass on their genes when they marry.

and this is different from gay people... how?

That aside, a gay couple will find it rather difficult to provide a stable environment for the child when the child realizes he is an outcast compared to the rest of society.

stable as in the kids know they have a family that cares for and loves them. and say what you will about the shortcomings of our society, but i believe that will be a more stable environment than bouncing around from foster home to foster home, or living in poverty in some third world country.

Will the kid be raised to think that gay marriages are what are supposed to happen? If that trent continues, will humanity die out due to the lack of procreation. Yes, those are extremes, but why not point them out? They could happen.
(Note: These are not my true opinions, I'm just trying to create an arguement so that both sides can present valid views, since no one else seems to want to argue.)

when humanity dies out, i can guarantee you it won't be because we're all gay.
 

fs5

Lifer
Jun 10, 2000
11,774
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Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: LakAttack
Originally posted by: dtyn
No. It spits in the face of the tradition of marriage. Let them enjoy a partnership together, let them share in the benefits, I don't care as long as I don't see it. But to call it marriage is completely wrong. The end purpose of marriage is to have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy. Gay "marriages" would not do so, and as so cannot be considered a traditional marriage. However, I have no strong conviction either way.

I am curious. What if a hetersexual man or woman is sterile? He/She would not be able "to have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy." Should they not be allowed to marry?

They should be allowed to marry, because they still create the traditional mother/father environment, should they choose to adopt. The fact that they could not spread their own genes should be dealt by each individual family. However, as I said, I carry no strong views one way or the other.

but you just said the end purpose of a family is to "have a family, to spread your genes, and to continue your family legacy", which sterile couples can not do. they can have a family, but so can gay couples. nowhere did you mention anything about creating a "traditional mother/father environment", and i don't really see why that should be included in the definition of marriage. the purpose of marriage is to create a stable environment for the family.

And the end purpose is to continue you're family legacy. The sterile couple will make the choice not to pass on their genes when they marry. That aside, a gay couple will find it rather difficult to provide a stable environment for the child when the child realizes he is an outcast compared to the rest of society. Will the kid be raised to think that gay marriages are what are supposed to happen? If that trent continues, will humanity die out due to the lack of procreation. Yes, those are extremes, but why not point them out? They could happen.
(Note: These are not my true opinions, I'm just trying to create an arguement so that both sides can present valid views, since no one else seems to want to argue.)

And why would that child be an outcast?

Could it be due to closed-minded bigots????

Hmm...I think perhaps it would be.

Yes, it would be. But that's the sad fact of life. You're never going to get rid of them all. Some people will never budge on an opinion, not even if you threaten their life. So, why would you knowingly put your/a child in a situation where he/she is doomed to be an outcast?

Like I said, what about a baby between a white and black couple? He would be shunned the same, are you saying these two people shouldn't be married either?
 

gopunk

Lifer
Jul 7, 2001
29,239
2
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Yes, it would be. But that's the sad fact of life. You're never going to get rid of them all. Some people will never budge on an opinion, not even if you threaten their life. So, why would you knowingly put your/a child in a situation where he/she is doomed to be an outcast?

you're never going to get rid of them all, but you can sure as hell make *them* the outcasts. see racial tensions. i don't know if i would do the same thing, but i'm not going to look down upon those who sent their children to school in the face of angry mobs that had to be held back with national guards.
 

Gyrene

Banned
Jun 6, 2002
2,841
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and this is different from gay people... how?

This can be battled back and forth until the end of time. I can't create anymore points of arguement. You win. ;)

stable as in the kids know they have a family that cares for and loves them. and say what you will about the shortcomings of our society, but i believe that will be a more stable environment than bouncing around from foster home to foster home, or living in poverty in some third world country.

True, but not as stable as a sterile mother/father family. Again, you can argue this point until we all die. I concede. You win again.


when humanity dies out, i can guarantee you it won't be because we're all gay.

You're most likely right, but I had to throw it out there just in case that does happen. Then I can look back, point my finger in your face, and laugh really hard while screaming "I was right". :p
 

masterxfob

Diamond Member
May 20, 2001
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this always leads to a big flame war :confused:

anyhow, i don't see anything wrong with gay/lesbian marriages. some of you peeps need to accept change, it's not always a bad thing.