Poll: Who's going to win the console war?

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KpocAlypse

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I porsonally hate the ps2 but it will probally win over the "gamecube" The X-box i really don't know how that will play out, It seems like it can beat the "ps2" down, but i'm not too sure.

Slightly off topic here, but. What kinda screwy is something someone i work with came up with. What was the name of the invention done by Jim Carrey(Riddler) in Batman forever? Wasn't that called the X-box? Can M$ do anything orginal?
 

rickn

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Xbox will end up like 3dp00(o)

flop, flop...flop

SEGA doing games for PS2 and not liking Microsoft very much for doing Xbox, the Japanese love Playstation(2) -- any successful console must have the backing of the Japanese

Nintendo lives in their own little world. No doubt the Gamecube will do good.
 

Nastimus

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I remember when the PSX came out. Nobody thought it even had a chance. I hate M$ but I think the Xbox will do very well for a couple of reasons. Games should be good cause it should port well as far as PC games go. Also it seems to have a better broadband solution.
 

SJ

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Xbox, going to flop? Ha. It has the support of US developers behind it. Sure it doesn't have the full support of some Japan devs, but its has quite a few Japan devs, and a hell of alot of US devs. Games make a console, and MS has tons of developer support.
 

Shack70

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X-Box is going to be the winner all the way. MS will take over and dominate the console scene, with no prob.
 

rickn

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you cannot compare pc games market to console market. They operate in a totally different realm. Sony has the upperhand because they have major brand recognition with Playstation. Of course I thought the original PSX would flop, I was wrong. Hard to tell what will happen with Xbox

Xbox needs good Japanese support. PC ports do not make a console successful
 

(M)

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X-box will be a tech support nightmare. Essentially a PC in console clothing. Hard-drive crashes, overheating... I may be pessimistic, but the American mainstream is not ready to have PC's in their living rooms.

BTW, PS2 has enough market saturation (& free publicity) to win.

(M)
 

SJ

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Who said anything about PC ports? Most games won't be PC ports. Why do people think US Devs = PC ports? There are a large number of console only devs in the US, simply because making console games, makes them more money.

A PC in console clothing?

Ok sure, yeah it uses PC parts, but so do other consoles, they just aren't mainstream parts like Xbox. They all use processors, graphic chips and intergrated audio. So they are all PC is console cloths right? Just because they use, more maintstream(ie: name brand) PC parts, does not mean its a PC. As for the hard drive, all those Tivo type items use hard drives, are they a PC too?

Overheating, I dunno, alot of console produce alot of heat.

Sony did one thing with the PS2, and that is, they pissed off american retailers.

 

rickn

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I dont care how much money they have. You gotta understand the mentality of the individuals who purchase game consoles. When a system launches console freaks look for specifics. They want atleast a few launch titles they can connect with, whether it be Tekken, Ridge Racer, a Square game, a Konami game. Microsoft needs these companies behind them, and they need atleast one console game franchise onboard as a launch title, otherwise it will be looked at as an adult toy(3d0), and trust me, most console buyers will show no interest at.

When they announce the launch titles I think we will get a better idea of its potential success.

Some people downplay Jap support. They NEED it. Konami, Square, Hudsonsoft, Climax, Game Arts, Capcom, SEGA. The list goes on and on. The Japanese tend to be very preferential -- and their first preference is almost always to the Japanese console makers. I talk to a friend of mine who works at IGN's Japan office. He says the Japaense developers like Xbox, but we gotta see how that translates into which systems they publish to first. Ports are stinky.
 

SJ

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They have Konami(MGS X, Crash X etc), Capcom(I think), Sega as well. Pretty sure Square will sign on(if they haven't already). Expect, launch titles to be shown at E3 in early May.
 



<< Xbox, going to flop? Ha. It has the support of US developers behind it. >>


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! WTF does that mean? US developers may may good PC games, but console games??? Please!
 

Changlinn

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It is definately going to be a 2 console world with microsoft and sony juganorts, I think nintendo (even with better games and better hardware, but no huge marketing thing like sony and m$ arebound to do and have done) will go the way of sega, even thou these companies started the whole console thing..but hey atari was one of the first too and were is it.
 

BenSkywalker

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X-Box is likely to win, Nintendo will retain the number two spot and it is possible that Sony will survive(though I wouldn't say it is certain).

The first, major, problem that Sony has its' absolutely horribly design. Whoever came up with the PS2 should be blind folded and hung up in the corporate offices for pinatas;) Ask any developer working on the system, Sony made the same moronic mistake Nintendo did with the N64, made it too hard to develop for.

With Sony's main focus on teenage boys, a group that tends to be exceedingly unloyal(as proven by the fact that the PSX &quot;won&quot; the last round), they are nearly certain to fail the market Nintendo already has down(loyal customer base). Twenty to thirty million GameCubes are going to sell, that can be banked on. Sony, with their enormous production woes and launch that can be considered nothing but a completely failure(look at the installed base currently) outside of hollow hype, Sony has truly blown it. They missed the Cristmas season where they would have been the most powerful console on the market in the largest single market in the world(US is the largest, just not the highest per capita). Another disturbing trend for Sony is that certain titles are being cancelled for it already, not a very good show of faith.

Microsoft has a *very* large library of games lined up for launch. One of their main focuses was addressing developers desires, making the console, by comparison, extremely simplistic to make games for. So simple, in fact, that the schedules are running well ahead in most development houses. Many titles that were initially looking to be Q1 or Q2 '02 are now looking to be ready for launch with many launch titles gaining additional development time for fine tuning before they launch. Combine this with the already impressive list of developers for the X-Box and it is quite likely that the quality of launch titles will humiliate what Sony had very, very badly.

Nintendo is going to make games for the GameCube, they could likely sell ten to fifteen million consoles on that fact alone. They learned the lesson from their fvck up with the N64 and have made the GC nearly as easy as the X-Box to work with. Developers who have used all three have made a very clear line, the GC and X-Box are pleasures working with while the PS2 is the most difficult they have used.

Increased development difficulty increases production time, which increases costs to publishers and makes it far more difficult to hit launch dates.

Add to this the incredible performance rift between the GC and X-Box and Sony is nearly certain to fail, the big question in my mind is will this be their &quot;Saturn&quot; or their &quot;DreamCast&quot;?

Between the big N and the big M, I think MS has the edge. They are actively targetting the widest range of consumers and people do not already have preconcieved notions that they make &quot;kids&quot; games. Nintendo also is developing titles that are targetted at the more &quot;Mature&quot; crowd, but they will need to overcome their reputation before they make any real headway, something that I think they will accomplish to some extent but not to the level of MS.

MS also has a nine figure media blitz they are planning, making Sony's prior attempts look like a passing mention instead of massive hype machine. Expect MS to put the console in everyone's face, and with the level of power it has and some likely classics ready at launch(Halo is looking to have more gaming value then everyone of PS2's game to date, combined) the majority of people are going to be very impressed, unlike the situation with the PS2 looking noticably inferior to many Dreamcast titles when they are running side by side(think about this people, they only need to use HDTVs and run at 1080i res and they will make the PS2 look like sh!t, and they know it).

Then there is price. This one is likely to be a N win with MS matching wherever Sony is when they launch(though it is possible they will &quot;go after&quot; Nintendo's price point). If all three are ~$199 this upcoming holiday season, Sony may well pull a Sega by the end of '02 as far as hardware.
 

SJ

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As I said before, there are lots of US devs that only make console games. That said, dwell wait till this fall, US devs will outshine the Japanese devs. Guess you will have to wait and see... US devs have just as many good games as Japan devs, yes they have more crappy games, but thats simply because there are alot more development houses in the US. Everyone says this and that about Japanese games, yeah they do have good games, they also have crappy games, the US and other countries have some damn good games too.
 

WindBoy2000

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The movie will be better then the game. final fantasy 3(USA) best FF.
final fantasy 7(ROCKED!)
8 &amp; 9 ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....
 

Noriaki

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FF3(6) was pretty good. I like FF2(4) and FF5 better though.

FF7 was kind of neat...but I wouldn't say it rocked....I never managed to beat FF8 to dull.

No comments on FF9 yet...haven't really played it.

I'm actually not much into consoles anymore.

I really prefer PC baseds (american?) RPGs (everquest, baldur's gate), and real time strategies.

The console type (Japanese?) RPGs don't interest me as much anymore... guess I'm getting old :(
 

I think Japanese console games are way better than American console games. American PC games. When it comes to PC games, America rules. Well, after you sift out the 10 million FPS titles.
 

divinemartyr

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Definitely the PS2. They did extremely well with the Playstation and I don't see the market changing anytime soon. Do you really think this console will fail with people still looking for them several months after its inception?

dm
 

Noriaki

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dwell: oops yeah that's what I meant...I was comparing American PC games to Japanese Console games. American console games tend to suck ;) And I don't usually consider FPS games...not my favourite brand. A few are OK (Halflife and Soldier of Fortune) but most are pretty dull...
 

rudder

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deeko,

PS2. Why? People are dumb. Gamecube will be the best, but people are still dumb. I mean, N64 started out with bad games, but it's a misconception that all the games are kiddy games. There are lots of good games, there just weren't in the earlier days. So people are dumb and will think that Nintendo sucks, and the average consumer doesn't like Microsoft at all, you guys have to realize how dumb the average consumer is, they WILL get the PS2 because it is what their friends have and because the PSX was good.

the average consumer doesn't like microsoft? Well since as you put it, the average consumer is so dumb, I think brand name recognition alone will propel the xbox above the playstation2.

The average consumer is not computer literate as most people on this BBS. That is why AOL is at 22 million+ customers. They cater to those types of people. I think when people see the microsoft name on a gaming console they will buy it. They use microsoft os, microsoft office, microsoft mice, etc.