Poll: Which political party do you identify with?

[Nitemare]

I'm sure I issed something, let me know and I will add it.

Registered Republican(for primaries), but vote Libertarian

 

[lozina]

[x] not a cheerleader for any party

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: lozina
[x] not a cheerleader for any party

That's why I said which party do you identify with not which one are you registered with

 

[Orsorum]

I almost said "Constitution party", but then I checked out their mission statement - any exclusive claim of influence between the Anglo-American law and the Bible is bunk.

 

[lozina]

I think it's dangerous to say I 'identify' with any party...

it's a strong word, since dictionary says identify means "To associate or affiliate (oneself) closely with a person or group. ". How can anyone really identify with some of these parties which have such a wide array of perspectives? While some core perspectives maintain consistency, the majority see conflicting views within the members of that party itself. To me, the lines between parties are blurry and inconsistent- seemingly dependent on how tilted the earth is towards the sun or how the planets align on any given day. You get too much mix of good things with bad things, sort of like Senate bill prosposals.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Continuous.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: lozina
I think it's dangerous to say I 'identify' with any party...

it's a strong word, since dictionary says identify means "To associate or affiliate (oneself) closely with a person or group. ". How can anyone really identify with some of these parties which have such a wide array of perspectives? While some core perspectives maintain consistency, the majority see conflicting views within the members of that party itself. To me, the lines between parties are blurry and inconsistent- seemingly dependent on how tilted the earth is towards the sun or how the planets align on any given day. You get too much mix of good things with bad things, sort of like Senate bill prosposals.

I don't agree with the Libertarians viewpoint of keeping our heads in the sand and remaining impartial when referring to foreign countries wither...but for the most part I agree with the rest.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Add 'Independant'
Add 'In-Depends'
and add 'No'

 

[DT4K]

I considered myself a democrat until I was about 27. Then I changed a lot of my views and I've "identified" more with republicans for the past 4 or 5 years.
But now this constitutional amendment crap along with some other issues is turning me away from the republican party.

So I don't identify with any party right now.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Add 'In-Depends'

The Incontinent party?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Shanti
I considered myself a democrat until I was about 27. Then I changed a lot of my views and I've "identified" more with republicans for the past 4 or 5 years.
But now this constitutional amendment crap along with some other issues is turning me away from the republican party.

So I don't identify with any party right now.

Not to mention Bush spending money like it grows on a tree

 

[glugglug]

where is the option for "Keg party"

 

[CaptnKirk]

The Incontinent party?

They could form the Incontinental Congress

 

[Dedpuhl]

I'm a moderate conservative.

 

[Dissipate]

This link is what describes my political ideology most accurately. I identify most with the Libertarian party. Only thing that I disagree on is the idea that the U.S. should have completely open borders.

For the younger members of the forum, I would like to emphasize this part of the ideology:

Social Security: an immediate repeal of Social Security, which is simply a coercive transfer program in which older people are able to steal from young people. Again, people have a right to their own earnings. If a person fails to provide for his retirement, he must rely on the charity and good will of his family, his friends, his church groups, or people in his community. Libertarians believe that it is morally wrong for a person to use the state to take what doesn?t belong to him.

Good luck finding that with the Democratic or Republican parties, they are all for payroll taxes and the perpetuation of the biggest ponzi scheme in the history of mankind.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Shanti
I considered myself a democrat until I was about 27. Then I changed a lot of my views and I've "identified" more with republicans for the past 4 or 5 years.
But now this constitutional amendment crap along with some other issues is turning me away from the republican party.

So I don't identify with any party right now.

Not to mention Bush spending money like it grows on a tree

That's one of the "other" issues.

 

[Ornery]

"Registered Republican(for primaries), but vote Libertarian"

Registered Democrat(for primaries), but vote Republican. Actually, I'm probably 99% Libertaraian, but what's the point in voting for someone who will never get elected? I posted this a few years ago, but nothing's really changed since then:

I bet your Libertarian candidate more closely matches the GOP platform than the Democrat one. Why not make your choices on the issues in the AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SELECTOR and see if I'm not right. Some of their answers to the questions were vague, except for Bush, so it was hard for me to place them. But if you answer the questions yourself in the selector, you'll see which ideologies more closely match up in the end. Take a look below and just see who is usually the odd man out:

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  1. ABORTION ISSUES: Which views on the issue of abortion would you prefer your candidate advocate?
  • 
    "Pro-Choice" Harry Browne, Gore
    Neither
    "Pro-Life" Bush
  2. MINORITY ISSUES: Would you prefer your candidate support or oppose such legislation as affirmative action?
  • 
    Oppose Bush, Harry Browne
    Neither
    Support Gore
  3. CAMPAIGN FINANCE: Would you prefer your candidate support or oppose campaign finance reform?
  • 
    Oppose Reform (Lift restrictions on contributions) Bush, Harry Browne, Gore
    Neither
    Support Reform (Abolish "softmoney" contributions, etc.)
  4. CRIME: Some candidates have outlined their approach to minimizing crime. Which approach do you prefer your candidate stress?
  • 
    Support "get tough" approach,e.g. longer prison sentences Bush
    Neither Harry Browne
    Support preventive approach, e.g. educational & recreational programs Gore
  5. DEFENSE SPENDING: Would you prefer your candidate advocate an increase or decrease in the defense spending budget?
  • 
    Support increase Bush, Harry Browne, Gore
    Neither
    Support decrease
  6. DRUG POLICY: Some presidential candidates support an increase in drug crime prosecution and penalties while some favor a decriminalization or complete legalization of what are currently drug crimes. What stance would you like your candidate to adopt?
  • 
    Support increased prosecution and penalties Bush, Gore
    Neither
    Support decriminalization Harry Browne
  7. GAY RIGHTS: Some candidates believe that sexual orientation is an unchangeable characteristic and support across the board equality under civil law for gay and lesbian Americans. On the other end of the spectrum, some believe that gay relationships are a destructive assault on the heterosexual, marriage-based family. What policies would you like your candidate to favor?
  • 
    Support legislative equality for homosexuals. Gore
    Neither
    Oppose special legislationconcerning homosexuality. Bush, Harry Browne
  8. EDUCATION: Some presidential candidates support school choice. Others see it as a separation of church and state issue. What position would you like your candidate to support?
  • 
    Favor School Choice Bush
    Neither Harry Browne
    Support tax dollars for public schools only Gore
  9. ENVIRONMENT: Which position regarding the environment would your ideal candidate advocate?
  • 
    Support the environment only after considering market and private property concerns. Bush
    Neither Harry Browne
    Support environmental protection legislation Gore
  10. EVOLUTION VS. CREATIONISM: Some presidential candidates favor the teaching of Creationism in public schools along evolution which is currently taught in science classes. What's your opinion?
  • 
    Support the situation as it is now: evolution only Gore
    Neither Harry Browne
    Support legislation including the teaching of Creationism Bush
  11. FOREIGN POLICY: Would you prefer your candidate embrace an non-interventionist or interventionist approach to foreign policy?
  • 
    Support non-interventionist Harry Browne
    Neither
    Support interventionist Bush, Gore
  12. GUN CONTROL: Would you prefer your candidate oppose or support gun control legislation?
  • 
    Oppose Bush, Harry Browne
    Neither
    Support Gore
  13. HEALTH CARE: Would you prefer your candidate support increased federal involvement in health care? Or would you prefer health care be an area outside governmental control?
  • 
    Support health care as primarily the responsibility of the individual Bush, Harry Browne
    Neither
    Support health care as primarily the responsibility of the government Gore
  14. MORAL ISSUES: Would you prefer your candidate favor federal, state and/or local legislation supporting "traditional values" such as advocating prayer in public schools, promoting teen-age sexual abstinence and restricting access to Internet pornography?
  • 
    Support legislation of "traditional values". Bush
    Neither Harry Browne
    Oppose legislation of "traditional values". Gore
  15. SOCIAL SECURITY: Would you prefer your candidate promise to preserve or reform (including dismantle) Social Security?
  • 
    Support reforming Bush, Harry Browne
    Neither
    Support preserving Gore
  16. TAX POLICY: Various candidates have promised to overhaul the federal income tax codes. They differ in how extreme the proposed changes would be.
  • 
    Support retaining current system Gore
    Neither
    Support reforming or abolishing Bush, Harry Browne
  17. TRADE ISSUES: Would you prefer your candidate be an advocate of free trade or trade controls like tariffs and embargoes?
  • 
    Support free-trade Bush, Harry Browne, Gore
    Neither
    Support trade controls

 

[Nitemare]

I'm pretty sure it will be safe to vote for a Libertarian candidate in NC. Kerry could probably save some money and not even bother campaigning in the South.

I don't think Harry Browne will be running this year. It's between Badnarik and Nolan now. I'm hoping they get enough votes to get the 5% for federal funding

 

[Dissipate]

Ornery there are some big differences between Harry Browne and Bush. First of all Browne wants to withdraw American troops from foreign countries, Bush doesn't. Browne wants to end the war on drugs, Bush doesn't. Browne wants to end social security, Bush doesn't. Browne wants to completely repeal the income tax and not replace it, Bush doesn't.

Here's the quote on his position on taxes:

# Tax policy:
# Position provided directly to SelectSmart.com by Mr. Browne: "I would make government so small that we can repeal the income tax and not replace it."

 

[FrodoB]

I'm surprised there are so many Libertarians around here. The Libertarians have a some good ideas, but I don't agree with their isolationist views. The world is too interconnected to not be involved with foreign affairs.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: FrodoB
I'm surprised there are so many Libertarians around here. The Libertarians have a some good ideas, but I don't agree with their isolationist views. The world is too interconnected to not be involved with foreign affairs.

Its one thing to be involved in foreign affairs, its another thing entirely to send troops all over the world and try to police every country.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Ornery there are some big differences between Harry Browne and Bush. First of all Browne wants to withdraw American troops from foreign countries, Bush doesn't. Browne wants to end the war on drugs, Bush doesn't. Browne wants to end social security, Bush doesn't. Browne wants to completely repeal the income tax and not replace it, Bush doesn't.

Here's the quote on his position on taxes:

# Tax policy:
# Position provided directly to SelectSmart.com by Mr. Browne: "I would make government so small that we can repeal the income tax and not replace it."

Sounds good in theory, but exactly where would they get the money for national defense?
Or do they just think that if we are isolationists everyone would leave us alone.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Ornery there are some big differences between Harry Browne and Bush. First of all Browne wants to withdraw American troops from foreign countries, Bush doesn't. Browne wants to end the war on drugs, Bush doesn't. Browne wants to end social security, Bush doesn't. Browne wants to completely repeal the income tax and not replace it, Bush doesn't.

Here's the quote on his position on taxes:

# Tax policy:
# Position provided directly to SelectSmart.com by Mr. Browne: "I would make government so small that we can repeal the income tax and not replace it."

Sounds good in theory, but exactly where would they get the money for national defense?
Or do they just think that if we are isolationists everyone would leave us alone.

If we pulled all our troops out of Taiwan, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Japan and numerous other countries we wouldn't have to spend so much on national defense.

i·so·la·tion·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-lsh-nzm)
n.

A national policy of abstaining from political or economic relations with other countries.

The Libertarian platform wants to do away with all tarrifs and trade regulations. This is the opposite of isolationism.

 

[FrodoB]

But don't you think that what happens elsewhere directly affects us? Shouldn't we be trying to spread freedom throughout the entire world? Are we supposed to rely on the U.N., Europe, or anyone else to combat international terrorism?

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Ornery there are some big differences between Harry Browne and Bush. First of all Browne wants to withdraw American troops from foreign countries, Bush doesn't. Browne wants to end the war on drugs, Bush doesn't. Browne wants to end social security, Bush doesn't. Browne wants to completely repeal the income tax and not replace it, Bush doesn't.

Here's the quote on his position on taxes:

# Tax policy:
# Position provided directly to SelectSmart.com by Mr. Browne: "I would make government so small that we can repeal the income tax and not replace it."

Sounds good in theory, but exactly where would they get the money for national defense?
Or do they just think that if we are isolationists everyone would leave us alone.

If we pulled all our troops out of Taiwan, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Japan and numerous other countries we wouldn't have to spend so much on national defense.

i·so·la·tion·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-lsh-nzm)
n.

A national policy of abstaining from political or economic relations with other countries.

The Libertarian platform wants to do away with all tarrifs and trade regulations. This is the opposite of isolationism.

I realize that it would be cheaper.
But it would still be an expense just to provide for our own defense.
Where would that money come from if not from income tax revenues?

And if we did away with all tariffs and trade regulations, does that mean ALL our jobs would go to India and China instead of just some of them?

I strongly disagree with pulling our troops out of those countries.
Taiwan would be part of China if we pulled out.
South Korea would be part of N. Korea if we pulled out.