Silly comment. I also don't believe in these types of laws, yet I always wear a seatbelt, I wear a helmet even kayaking, and the "hardest" drug I've ever done is alcohol.
You can't legislate stupidity out of existence. Being positioned against these laws does NOT imply that one is against people using safety equipment or is in favor of people using drugs.
normal here is CA...i dont even think twice these days...i think it will do more good than harm though..
I always wear my seatbelt, and won't drive unless everyone in the car does the same. However, it is NOT the government's place to tell us we have to do it. Not wearing your seatbelt doesn't endanger anyone but yourself. (One exception is people in the back seat, who will fly forward and break the front seatback, causing injuries to the person in front.)
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
*sigh*....Again I'm let down by the majority of this establishment's patrons.
amish
You know what the sad thing is? If you look at people's opinions before and after a company unleashes an advertizing campaign, they are actually swayed by what the for-profit company has to say. The average public cannot think objectively, they are mindless drones who are programmed via media.
And there is the real reason for the law you know what is best for everyone else so we should all just listen to you because it is for our own good.
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: pyonir
Great comeback.
I can't mess with you, you're an internet toughguy. And a criminal justice major too! So you're basically an internet cop!
yeah, but you were owned.
Vic
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Agreed. Plus, every state in the country, IIRC, already had a seatbelt law, so this new Federal one is unnecessary. Combine that with the fact the average person can now get pulled over for no other reason than the suspicion that they might not be wearing their seatbelt (something that is difficult to actually see from outside a moving car), and we just gave the government something they always wanted: the right to stop and detain any car for any reason, without probable cause.
We really should all give ourselves a pat on the back for our collective stupidity.
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: pyonir
Great comeback.
I can't mess with you, you're an internet toughguy. And a criminal justice major too! So you're basically an internet cop!
yeah, but marshallj was owned.
All the people complaining about health insurance rates and blah blah blah... Maybe we should have a federal law against eating unhealthy foods. After all, obese people have higher rates of diabetes, heart disease, etc. Maybe the federal government should require that all people only eat federally regulated food pellets that will contain perfectly balanced nutrition, and ban all other forms of food. Oh, and you can only drink water, no pop or beer or liquor. Heck, that would stop people from DUI'ing, and cut down your rates even MORE! YAY!!!! Except, prohibition doesnt work, and its not the government's job to protect me from myself.
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, the insurance rates argument is dumb. If you are an adult, how is it the governments job to protect you from your own stupidity? Write to your health insurance company, and ask if they would offer a plan that would specifically NOT cover people who were injured after getting into a car accident w/o their seatbelt on. Not wearing a seatbelt is the as much of a victimless crime as you can get. Except in the event that an un-buckled passenger is ejected from a car and upon impact does damage to another person or their property. But usually they hit pavement or telephone poles, and I've never heard of someone being injured by a car passenger turned aviator.
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, the insurance rates argument is dumb. If you are an adult, how is it the governments job to protect you from your own stupidity? Write to your health insurance company, and ask if they would offer a plan that would specifically NOT cover people who were injured after getting into a car accident w/o their seatbelt on. Not wearing a seatbelt is the as much of a victimless crime as you can get. Except in the event that an un-buckled passenger is ejected from a car and upon impact does damage to another person or their property. But usually they hit pavement or telephone poles, and I've never heard of someone being injured by a car passenger turned aviator.
I prefer that people be required to wear their seatbelts by law, than forcing them to do it myself.
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: pyonir
Great comeback.
I can't mess with you, you're an internet toughguy. And a criminal justice major too! So you're basically an internet cop!
yeah, but you were owned.
Man, I see the term "owned" has really been watered down hasn't it?
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: pyonir
Great comeback.
I can't mess with you, you're an internet toughguy. And a criminal justice major too! So you're basically an internet cop!
yeah, but marshallj was owned.
Wow, you made the same gay post twice. I guess you owned me!
I'm going to back off now, I can't compete with your eliteness!
PS- How can you be so dumb and not be from California?
Pointless and unnecessary, except perhaps in the case of teenagers. Personally, I'm a big boy now and certainly don't need the government to babysit me. What's next, a G-man posted in every bathroom to make sure we are wiping properly? (After all, we wouldn't want one man's poor hygiene to affect the public welfare by spreading disease, now would we? It's for the good of society...)
What utter nonsense. I wear my seatbelt because I enjoy my life and plan on keeping it. Those people who lack that most basic of motivations, who are too stupid or lazy to take the three seconds necessary to buckle up, are doing the rest of us a favor by removing themselves from the gene pool. If anything the government should be *encouraging* such behavior, not legislating against it.
Originally posted by: exp
Pointless and unnecessary, except perhaps in the case of teenagers. Personally, I'm a big boy now and certainly don't need the government to babysit me. What's next, a G-man posted in every bathroom to make sure we are wiping properly? (After all, we wouldn't want one man's poor hygiene to affect the public welfare by spreading disease, now would we? It's for the good of society...)
What utter nonsense. I wear my seatbelt because I enjoy my life and plan on keeping it. Those people who lack that most basic of motivations, who are too stupid or lazy to take the three seconds necessary to buckle up, are doing the rest of us a favor by removing themselves from the gene pool. If anything the government should be *encouraging* such behavior, not legislating against it.
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I think the Feds should force everyone that gets into a car to a bright red padded outfit, like the red man outfit when they step into a car. That should include all passengers as well. That way you're really, REALLY, REALLY protected from injury.
Then we can paint all cars a dayglo orange, and put big pillows on the front and rear bumpers.
And put strobe lights on top of all vehicles to make doubly sure we can see them.
And then we can put speed limiters in all vehicles so that we can't go over 15 mph - I mean, who REALLY needs to drive faster than that? Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? Think of the children!
To boot, we can tie the speed limiters into a wireless network. That way, when you enter a neighborhood the speed limiter will automatically throttle down your car so you can only do 5 mph! WoOhOo! Think of all the injuries we'll avoid!
Actually...
We can probably get our government to extend the red man suit wearing... Make it a law that you have to wear it into the shower or bathtub!! Kick@ss! That would ROCK! Have you any idea how many injuries occur in the tub!
Oh man... I can see this going places...
S.
Then we can paint all cars a dayglo orange, and put big pillows on the front and rear bumpers.
And put strobe lights on top of all vehicles to make doubly sure we can see them.
And then we can put speed limiters in all vehicles so that we can't go over 15 mph - I mean, who REALLY needs to drive faster than that? Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? Think of the children!
To boot, we can tie the speed limiters into a wireless network. That way, when you enter a neighborhood the speed limiter will automatically throttle down your car so you can only do 5 mph! WoOhOo! Think of all the injuries we'll avoid!
Actually...
We can probably get our government to extend the red man suit wearing... Make it a law that you have to wear it into the shower or bathtub!! Kick@ss! That would ROCK! Have you any idea how many injuries occur in the tub!
Oh man... I can see this going places...
S.
Anubis
No Lifer
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: pyonir
Great comeback.
I can't mess with you, you're an internet toughguy. And a criminal justice major too! So you're basically an internet cop!
yeah, but marshallj was owned.
Wow, you made the same gay post twice. I guess you owned me!
I'm going to back off now, I can't compete with your eliteness!
PS- How can you be so dumb and not be from California?
marshall you are the fvcktard that had his ass handed to him. Your ego may not allow you to see that, but everyone reading this thread DOES see it. Now go accuse someone else of being an internet tough guy. Oh wait, you are the one trying to play that role.
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Canada went through this in the early 80's when it became mandatory to wear seat belts...same thing with bicycle helmets in '96.
Like all new things...there will always be opposition to it...then the novelty wears off, and people just do it without even thinking about it.
Here's an interesting article I found on both seat belts and helmets Article
Like all new things...there will always be opposition to it...then the novelty wears off, and people just do it without even thinking about it.
Here's an interesting article I found on both seat belts and helmets Article
Vic
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Sealy, your point isn't valid. Oregon has had a seatbelt law on the books since '72. Every state in the US has had a seatbelt law since the '80s. There is no novelty for the US in a seatbelt law. Now a federal law that says I can be pulled over at any time for any reason, just so an officer can "check" my seatbelt (which I ALWAYS wear and make my passengers wear, it saved my life in '98 in a high-speed rollover), is something that I find a bit more than novel. I find it offensive and invasive.
I think it makes perfect sense. I am suprized that the backseat passengers doesn't have to wear them. Imagine getting an elephant in your back when you crash. You don't die from the crash itself but you are being crushed from behind by flying passengers.
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It is actually valid, as here in B.C. ever since they put the "Law" into effect, the police have had a right to check to see if you are wearing your seat belts.
An example of a check was a police officer dressing up as a squeegie kid (someone with no job washing windshields for change at lights) and radioing ahead to another officer that a certain person in a certain car was not wearing a seatbelt. That said person would then receive a ticket.
They also have random road blocks throughout the city and check for all sorts of things. They don't necessarily pull you out of the car...after all this is Canada
but they ask if you've been drinking and if everyone has all their seat belts on.I don't have a problem with it at all. The officers are doing there jobs, upholding a LAW. What's wrong with that, especially if you're not doing anything wrong.
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