**POLL** What do you think about this new seatbelt law (US)??

[skateallday]

i think its dumb just cause its your own responsibilty to wear it. if you dont want to i dont think you should have to.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Oh come on, you just tried to take an easy was out there.

The chances are NOT so low. This routinely happens to people.

You go on believing that.

I'll go on believing that while you turn a blind eye to reality. You can take the moral high ground while I'll take the rational middle ground.

And quit it with the rolleyes, they are the most annoying fvcking thing on this forum.

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

I'll go on believing that while you turn a blind eye to reality.

And quit it with the rolleyes, they are the most annoying fvcking thing on this forum.

Reality!? you have got to be kidding me. Trust me man...no cop is going to risk public scruitny, losing his job, everything he has worked for, so he can search your car. You hear a story on the TV about this happening, what, once a week? How many stops are there in a day? thousands....+?

I'm friends with cops, i've spent a lot of time with cops and with lawyers, and it just doesn't happen as often as you'd like to believe.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
*sigh*....Again I'm let down by the majority of this establishment's patrons.

amish

You know what the sad thing is? If you look at people's opinions before and after a company unleashes an advertizing campaign, they are actually swayed by what the for-profit company has to say. The average public cannot think objectively, they are mindless drones who are programmed via media.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: pyonir
I'm friends with cops, i've spent a lot of time with cops and with lawyers, and it just doesn't happen as often as you'd like to believe.

Ah, the typical 17 year old's internet defense- claim that you know people who pertain to the situation at hand.

"Well I know better than you about laws. My brother's a lawyer, my sister's a lawyer, all my friends are lawyers, I hang out with lawyers all the time"

"Well I know better than you about cars. My brother's a mechanic, my sister's a mechanic, all my friends are mechanics, I hang out with mechanics all the time"

"Well I know better than you about politics. My brother's a senator, my sister's a senator, all my friends are senators, I hang out with senators all the time"....

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: pyonir
ding ding ding. What most people don't realize is that the police officer is going to use the new seat belt laws to pull someone over, in hopes of finding more than just no seatbeat.

Dang! One more thing you're going to have to remember when you're smuggling or carrying anything else that might "embarrass" you. :Q

I'm in favor of a national seat belt law. In a collision, an unrestrained passenger flying around in a car can substantially increase the danger to both the car the passenger is in and any other vehichle because it's one more thing that could cause the driver to lose control.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: nater

Originally posted by: XZeroII
It's not a new law, the media just finally got a hold of it. If I ever get pulled over and a cop just checks to see if I'm wearing a seatbelt, then tells me to go (I wear it), I will sue the police for an illegal search. The constitution is the ultimate law and no law can contradict it.

I think it's a new federal law. Most stats already have it as a law. Personally I think it should be up to the states to decide whether the law is right.

See, it's not a federal law, it is simply a bill which tries to encourage states to enact/enforce tougher seatbelt laws by giving them less funding if they do not. I did a little googling.

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Ah, the typical 17 year old's internet defense- claim that you know people who pertain to the situation at hand.

Well if you wouldn't have used the "Jump to conclusions mat" you would know that i am 25 and was a Criminal Justice major in college. Therefore a lot of the students i was in class with have already become police officers (among other things), not to mention the professors i've had related to law and CJ.

Congratulations on making yourself look like an ass.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Ah, the typical 17 year old's internet defense- claim that you know people who pertain to the situation at hand.

Well if you wouldn't have used the "Jump to conclusions mat" you would know that i am 25 and was a Criminal Justice major in college. Therefore a lot of the students i was in class with have already become police officers (among other things), not to mention the professors i've had related to law and CJ.

Congratulations on making yourself look like an ass.

Maybe I should have said that you have the mentality of a 17 year old. While I might look like an ass, you are an ass. Bow down to your intellectual superior.

 

[Torghn]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Torghn It is necessary, as you not wearing a seatbelt directly effects me. If you get in an accident weather or not it's your fault, it will effect me. There will be huge medical bills and my insurance will go up. The more people who wear seatbelts, the lower the fatality rate/injury rate will be and as such the lower insurance will cost for everyone. Your freedoms only go as far as that they don't infringe on my freedoms.

That is a very weak line of logic commonly used by people who want to have a say in the matter. You are NOT directly affected. Insurance is a PRIVATE institution, and you cannot claim to have say over legal issues because a private company decides to charge you more due to someone else's stupidity. Did you ever look at how much insurance companies are making? They are not strapped for cash, and you won't see them take the loss- they'll pass it on to you. Just because they do that does not give you, me, or anyone else the right to lay claim to someone else's rights. Using that same exact line of logic, we could say this: We all know that eating fast food and red meat is bad for you in the long run, and eventually those consumers will end up needing healthcare (healthcare you pay for) becasue of it. Therefore we should ban fast food and the eating of red meat.

I'm sorry but you are wrong. Why do you legally have to have insurance to drive then? If all of these PRIVATE institutions decide they aren't going to insure you then you can't legally drive.

Even so, my TAXES pay a lot of costs involved in accidents. Which gives me the legal right to have a say in such mattes.

 

[edmicman]

would someone please explain how this is rationally a BAD thing?? outside of a soapbox "its my freedom and deity-given right to be a moron and hurt myself" mantra does requiring people to use a safety device on/in a motor vehicle have any sort of negative repercussions??

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
I don't really care, I always wear my seat belt anyway.

Yeah, but if you have passengers they will have to wear their belts or you'll get a ticket.

amish

My passengers better not break my windshield with their heads... buckle the hell up when you get in the front seat of my car.

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Ah, the typical 17 year old's internet defense- claim that you know people who pertain to the situation at hand.

Well if you wouldn't have used the "Jump to conclusions mat" you would know that i am 25 and was a Criminal Justice major in college. Therefore a lot of the students i was in class with have already become police officers (among other things), not to mention the professors i've had related to law and CJ.

Congratulations on making yourself look like an ass.

Maybe I should have said that you have the mentality of a 17 year old. While I might look like an ass, you are an ass. Bow down to your intellectual superior.

Great comeback.

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: edmicman
would someone please explain how this is rationally a BAD thing?? outside of a soapbox "its my freedom and deity-given right to be a moron and hurt myself" mantra does requiring people to use a safety device on/in a motor vehicle have any sort of negative repercussions??

How about the lengthening of lives and the over-population of the Earth? Everyone has to die of something and we are slowly removing ways from the list.

Also, we have the choice to choose who governs our country (in theory), but we aren't allowed to choose whether or not we want to wear a seatbelt? That's just silly.

amish

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: notfred

Some people find seatbelts and helmets uncomfortable, or expensive, or stupid looking or whatever. It should be THIER choice to pick comfort over safety, or vice versa. Not yours, nor congress' nor anyone else except the person who's comfort and safety are in question.

Except when my health insurance premiums skyrocket because they wanted to ride their motorcycle without a helmet. So if I am forced to pay higher premiums because people are discomforted by safety devices, then I feel it is appropriate to force them to wear a device that will save hundreds of thousands of dollars (per incident) in medical bills.

Buy health insurance from a company that doesn't insure motorcyclists who don't wear helmets then. How much a private company charges you for a service has absolutely no bearing at all on what aspects of the public's lives the government can control.

If your electric company decided they would lower prices by 5 percent if everyone in the country was wearing "XYZ electric company" T-shirts, would yo be in favor of a law mandating that everyone must always wear those T-shirts while in public?

You help me find a health insurance company that denies people health insurance if they do not wear a seat belt then we can talk. It is a simple fact that if you are in an auto accident and are not wearing a seatbelt (assuming you live) you will probably have much higher medical bills that if you were wearing a seatbelt. If a private company is forced to charge me higher rates because a bunch of numnuts can't understand why your body would continue to move forward when your car suddenly stops, then yes, the government needs to tell them to wear a seatbelt.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Torghn
I'm sorry but you are wrong. Why do you <STRONG>legally</STRONG> have to have insurance to drive then? If all of these PRIVATE institutions decide they aren't going to insure you then you can't legally drive.

Even so, my TAXES pay a lot of costs involved in accidents. Which gives me the legal right to have a say in such mattes.

In some states you don't. End of argument.

 

[Rainsford]

I generally think it's a good thing, I don't go anywhere with unbuckled people in my car. I know it's a matter of choice, but people really shouldn't be allowed to be that moronic. Besides, it jacks up the cost of MY insurance, so they damn well better buckle up.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: pyonir
Great comeback.

I can't mess with you, you're an internet toughguy. And a criminal justice major too! So you're basically an internet cop!

 

[Marshallj]

The more people I talk to on this forum, the more I realize that this country is doomed.


It's a good thing then that I'm such an a$$hole, and I routinely make money off sheepish idiots like that. Don't ask, don't tell. Hey, if their stupidity puts money into my pocket, that's all I care about. Sheep can be a cashcrop. Harvest the public.

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I generally think it's a good thing, I don't go anywhere with unbuckled people in my car. I know it's a matter of choice, but people really shouldn't be allowed to be that moronic. Besides, it jacks up the cost of MY insurance, so they damn well better buckle up.

Yeah, it's all about you, isn't it....

The real question is where do they go from here?

It's illegal to drive a car that gets less than 35 mpg?

It's illegal to drive a car faster than 50 mph because the accidents at that speed tend to be much worse?

etc...

Tiny, tiny nibbles off of our cookie of personal freedom.

amish

 

[Soybomb]

Originally posted by: edmicman
would someone please explain how this is rationally a BAD thing?? outside of a soapbox "its my freedom and deity-given right to be a moron and hurt myself" mantra does requiring people to use a safety device on/in a motor vehicle have any sort of negative repercussions??

To me making people wear a seatbelt would be a secondary issue to giving law enforcement an opening to pull pretty much anyone they wanted to. Want a quick peek in the car of the person that looks suspicious to you, pull them over and say that it didn't look like they had a seatbelt on. Sounds bad to me. I'd like to see some documentation on this though.

In Illinois our seatbelt law is a secondary enforcement law meaning you can't be stopped for it. If you're stopped for something else you can be given a ticket for not wearing it though. For adults I'm undecided as to if it should be a requirement or not, but I think it should be up to 18 or 21 at least probably.

Are there still no seatbelts on school busses yet either? Maybe its just me but that always seemed like a bad idea as a kid.

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: Rainsford I generally think it's a good thing, I don't go anywhere with unbuckled people in my car. I know it's a matter of choice, but people really shouldn't be allowed to be that moronic. Besides, it jacks up the cost of MY insurance, so they damn well better buckle up.

Yeah, it's all about you, isn't it....

The real question is where do they go from here? It's illegal to drive a car that gets less than 35 mpg? It's illegal to drive a car faster than 50 mph because the accidents at that speed tend to be much worse? etc... Tiny, tiny nibbles off of our cookie of personal freedom. amish

Oh, for god's sake. Here in the UK we've had a seatbelt law for quite a while now, and so far at least, I've not noticed the jackboot of fascist dictatorship crushing down on us. I have noticed that driving related deaths has gone down. I don't think that this is a bad thing.

Btw electric Amish - aren't you argueing that the government is taking away your individual rights? So surely, for you, it also all about you

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
The law basically states that EVERY person in a vehicle must wear a seatbelt at all times AND that a policeman can pull you over strictly on the basis of checking seatbelts.

IMO, it is completely ludicrous. I wear my seatbelt out of habit, but I don't understand FORCING people to wear them if they don't want to. It hurts noone else but that person.

Requiring them for children is fine because kids are stupid and don't know any better, but adults, while the majority are stupid and don't know any better, are legally considered responsible for their actions.

It just bothers me that the government can force something like this upon us....What's going to be next, is all I can wonder about.

amish

it's about money. the insurance companies know that if it is legislated than fewer people will get injured and claims will decrease. where it's a crock is they won't turn around and give those savings back to the people but will pocket it.

it's also about revenue for the municipalities, i've gotten stopped 3 times in the last 2 weeks because i haven't had a chance to go and get my car reinspected. they are doing these spot checks for revenue and nothing else.

 

[cyclistca]

Originally posted by: notfred
I don't belevie in seatbelt laws, helmet laws, drug laws, etc.

Excellent! The sooner you get out of the gene pool the better.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: americangigolo

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: pyonir


From what i understand, they can't pull you over to check and see if you are wearing a seatbelt. They have to have to see that you (or someone in your car) is not wearing a seatbelt. There still has to be probable cause for the stop.

Here's your probably cause right here- "Oh, I thought I saw your passenger not wearing a seatbelt. My mistake. Please step aside while I search your car."

I'd love to punch a cop in the face if he said that to me.

After you did that, I would love to see him put a bullet in YOUR face. Asshole.