Poll: Ultimate Question - Should Al Gore Concede the Election?

[ride525]

<< Every election tens of thousands of votes are thrown out due to voting errors, all across the USA (more votes were thrown out in Florida last election than this time around btw) >>


Maybe we should count those votes, don't you think? Count as many as possible. Otherwise you won't REALLY know who won....

<< The news reported that Gore had won before the elections were finished on the west coast. Don't you think that had an impact on Republican voter turn out? >>

yeah...and on the Democratic turnout too...

 

[stonythug]

About buying better machines, how about if the republican florida legislature put some money aside to improve the electoral process in florida. What are these election committees supposed to hold a bake sale? I'm not saying that Bush was wrong for taking his parents money, of course anyone would do the same, but it's obvious he hasn't had to earn a whole in life. How many businessman fail? A lot. How many have their daddies friends there to bail them out and then set them up in a new business? Not many.
You're right Bush has been governor for awhile, so why does Texas still have some of the worst health care and education systems?

Ok, I'm done, you guys keep getting worse and worse. If your best argument now is that we should quit whining then it's not even worth reading anymore. I'm gonna play some diablo.

 

[ToBeMe]

What's sad is Gore is ruining himself.......I don't know if he really believes what he's saying or not, but by the looks of the exit polls, the people who saw him speak aren't buying it! almost 7 out of every ten people now want him to concede.......Al, come on, save a little dignity, get out before your own party makes you! I'm sorry for all the Dems., but someone has to win, and someone has to lose, this time it is apparent Mr. Gore has lost. I'm not going to argue about the counting, I really don't see how any of us can unless you were there! Any thing we read will no doubt have some &quot;spin&quot; on it, all I know for sure is, the FL Supreme Court amended the laws on the Gore teams request. As it appears all after that point was done in compliance of those amended laws if you will just read them. Miami/Dade had every right to refuse to count because under the law it was &quot;to their discretion&quot; whether they could finish or not. PBC did not complete the count by the extended deadline. Mr. Boies &amp; the Gore team applauded the new deadline so much and said it was very &quot;doable&quot;. Well the law states that only complete returns are acceptable. Mrs. Harris was given a choice of when to accept the returns and chose Sunday very early on.....everyone knew that and didn't make it an issue until late in the game! Fact is, at least in this count for sure, the laws were followed as stated, so what does anyone think the chances are of getting the official count overturned.......very slim as I see it. No court in FL is going to do it and the USSC will not get involved in another count. Al, pack it in Buddy, it's over.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't like the military vote not being counted. I don't like raising a stink about orchestrated intimidation causing the canvasing board to chicken out of counting if that's a lie. I don't like not counting all the votes in the whole state over for pregnant chads etc, but I also don't like pretending to be the elect before you are, pretending that you have counted all the ballots by hand more than once, pretending to trust the people and running to fed court, pretending to have a superior character or not be as big a liar as the next guy. But we are in a process that must play out. It makes no difference what anybody thinks or what is fair or not fair. The game will go on through the courts and maybe into the congress until we get a pres. I hope he will have been the one who really won. We will never know for sure, I think.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

You're right Bush has been governor for awhile, so why does Texas still have some of the worst health care and education systems?

Things were worse under the previous Democrat Governor, so what's your point?

 

[dew042]

yes.....umm, no. yes, no....
geeez, i can't decide.

 

[Bryan]

TTT

 

[Mister T]

Bryan,
your poll is subject to response bias since &quot;YES&quot; is already checked.
Lazy dumb people might accidently vote YES when they meant to vote NO.

 

[Bryan]

/thinks Mister T is from Palm Beach County

 

[NesuD]

Stoney the statement that
gore would have won if they accepted the late totals from the palm beach recount is inaccurate. It would only put him over the top if they disqualified 160 disputed overseas absentee ballots that were accepted by their respective county cavassing boards. Says a lot for making sure all the votes are counted doesn't it.

 

[Zucchini]

They said they would accept all legal votes Seems clear enough to me. Remember bush already has 5000 illegal votes in question.

 

[jobert]

>>Maybe we should count those votes, don't you think? Count as many as possible. Otherwise you won't REALLY know who won....<<


Hellooooooooooooo. Anybody home?

Any kindergarten child knows that you can't make chicken scratches
on a ballot and then call it a vote. If you make unintelligible
markes, holes, scratches, whatever... you KNOW that you have NOT
produced a vote; you have produced a piece of waste paper and NO
responsible voting authority will turn it into a vote.

What should we count? Pieces of scrap paper?

 

[NIUBurned]

Ofcourse gore should give up..i mean, we are only ahead by 500 votes we dont want him to win do we?

<rolls eyes>

500 votes people


BUSH WOULD DO THE SAME!!

 

[ride525]

We should count the ballots that the machines couldn't count.

Some of them are probably no votes. Some of them are probably votes that the machines couldn't sense. There are THOUSANDS of these. Too bad they haven't all been counted yet.

 

[stonythug]

NesusD,
actually what I said was that if they had counted the ballots as the judge had ordered them too, as is done in Texas and Mass., dimples and all then he would have gotten enough votes. The people in Palm beach were much more strict about what they called a ballot than what George Bush wrote into law in Texas. The judge said that you must make every effort to try to find the intent of the voter and in most cases they weren't counting the dimpled or indented chads even though through those you can see the will of the voter. Have you seen these machines, do you know how they work? Have you ever had a hole puncher fill up with all of it's little chads and then not be able to punch it all the way through? That's what these machines are like. Once the part that you push through fills up with chads then it becomes impossible to punch all the way through and that's how you can get the dimpled or indented chads. These are exactly the types of votes that Bush clearly mandated in his law must be counted, just as the judge ruled they should be counted in Mass. and just as the judge ruled they should be counted in Palm Beach, but they weren't. Have you guys heard that one of the witnesses for Gore will be the designer of these counting machines and that he will say that you must not trust these machines when it is this close and that the only way to know is to count them by hand. I guess you guys would know how these machines operate better than the designer and builder though.

Engin, you're true that Bush took over from a democratic governor and if you'll notice all of the improvements that he boasts in education started 2 years before he was elected. Sure there was improvements while he was governor, but it was due to policies put in place two years before he took office.

 

[ride525]

<< What should we count? >>



You should count ballots where it is clear who the voter was voting for. A ballot doesn't have to be punched completely to see that.

 

[BoberFett]

ride

Really? If the rest of the ballot is clearly punched, it means the voter was capable of using the voting machine correctly. In that case does a dimple show clear intent? I'd say it's a vote for none. But Dems want to count them as votes.

 

[ride525]

A vote for none would be no punch or no partial punch....

Maybe the rest of the ballot isn't punched very well either?
Or maybe the president just wasn't punched well for that ballot?

Again, count as many as you reasonably can.

 

[Bryan]

Damn Dimplecrats... :|

 

[Sunny129]

I appreciate all the Gore supporters...thanks everyone. Of course certain people are going to want Gore to concede and others will want him to continue the fight. the question for those who want him to continue his fight for presidency should be &quot;why do you think he should continue fighting?&quot;

I have many reasons why i think Gore should keep fighting and hope to GOD that Bush doesnt get it. first of all, everyone must understand that, aside of the fact that people should be voting on whats best for the country, an equally important priority as a voter is to vote for whats best for oneself and one's family. I am Jewish and my roots are heavily European and Israeli. We all know of the situation in Israel with the Gaza strip and the West Bank, and how it is impossible to reach a peace with the Arabs (take note i am not saying anything that should offend any race or ethnicity). Whether its the jews or the arabs who are too stubborn to reach an agreement, the fact of the matter is that a peace will never be reached over there, whether the leaders of the world realize it or not. Bush will turn away from the Jews just like his father did 3 terms ago. Bush knows nothing about foreign policy, and will have his advisors handle it (his advisors are all oil people and that makes them very hesitant to help Israel when the surrounding Arab nations have the greatest oil resources in the world). I must stand up for my people and say that Bush will not do anything good for them. Gore will be excellent in foreign policy.

I'm sure most of you know that Bush never held a job in his life until he became gov. of texas...do you know how he made his money? he borrowed some from dad and bought the texas rangers for under $1 million and got lucky and sold them for 15 times as much as he purchased them for. money is the reason he became governer, and the reputation of his father. he never held a job in his life before that.

Bush supposedly served in the armed forces...do you know why nobody can find paperwork on his transfer from texas to Alabama's air nat'l guard? b/c he was secretly working on a family member's campaign. Gore may not have fought overseas, but at least he was there in Vietnam serving our country.

And lastly, and i hate to say this for lack of a better way to do so, but Bush doesnt hold a candle to any of the other leaders of the world. the leaders of the world will be talking about issues of the UN while Bush will be sitting there watching Sesame Street...

well everyone should be casting votes upon whats best for them and their families, and not just the good of the country...i'm sure that, while it wasnt meant to be, it will cause quite a stir as a forum issue...there are merely opinions on who should be president, and if Gore should continue his fight...

 

[JellyBaby]

If what's happening in Florida is a test of our democracy, we're getting only an average grade &quot;C&quot; and I'm concerned. The situation is one notch short of buying or fixing the election. Bent rules, taped chads, PR spin, unjust justices, federal law superceding state law, irregularities, idiot Floridas without enough sense to determine how to vote, media frenzie, power hungry officials, ad naseum. It all boils down to dirty politics revealed. Big-time. You see the twin power parties as they really are -- greedy groups concerned with their access to power and wealth.

Do either Rs or Ds care if they have a mandate to govern? Hell no. &quot;Just show me da monie/power&quot;. The spin I'm seeing on TV is so blatantly unpatriotic it almost makes me puke (I had to actually turn off Censorman last weekend, it was that bad).

We can only hope once one group ascends to the throne, common sense might return. Otherwise, just forget 2001-2004 ever happened.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

So in other words Sunny, it's alright for Gore to demand the rules be changed mid-game, because you feel he's a better candidate?

The ends don't justify the means.

 

[Sunny129]

if you want to talk strictly about the course and events of the election, then take a look at what all the other posts that indicate that the people who posted them dont think he should concede. if the state cant decide, let it go to the supreme court...thats where its headed anyways. Bush implied the use of this policy in his own state of texas for the election of governer a few years back. now he doesnt like it anymore b/c its jumping up and biting him in the ass at the federal level. as if the fact that Gore originally had more votes if everything was counted isnt enough, then the right of people to vote for whats best for them is.

 

[BoberFett]

Contrary to what the Dem spinmeisters would have you believe, Florida and Texas are not the same state.

They both have their own sets of laws, and what Texas does or doesn't do has no bearing on this case. It doesn't matter one bit that Bush is a Texan. If Florida wanted a system like Texas, they could have done so.

 

[Moonbeam]

Ah, the case of the immaculately conceived pregnant chad.