Washington Post
"A clear majority of Americans believe the vote count in Florida was accurate and want Vice President Gore to stand aside and allow Texas Gov. George W. Bush to assume the presidency, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
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More than half of those surveyed ? 56 percent ? also approved of the decision by the Florida secretary of state to deny a request by Palm Beach election officials to extend Sunday's deadline for completing their hand recount until this morning
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Overall, 60 percent of those interviewed want Gore to abandon his presidential bid. Even a small but significant proportion of Gore's own supporters currently want him to give up his presidential bid. One in four Gore supporters agreed the vice president should concede the presidency to Bush, and a slightly larger percentage said ending the election quickly was more important than making a full case in court.
"A clear majority of Americans believe the vote count in Florida was accurate and want Vice President Gore to stand aside and allow Texas Gov. George W. Bush to assume the presidency, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
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More than half of those surveyed ? 56 percent ? also approved of the decision by the Florida secretary of state to deny a request by Palm Beach election officials to extend Sunday's deadline for completing their hand recount until this morning
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Overall, 60 percent of those interviewed want Gore to abandon his presidential bid. Even a small but significant proportion of Gore's own supporters currently want him to give up his presidential bid. One in four Gore supporters agreed the vice president should concede the presidency to Bush, and a slightly larger percentage said ending the election quickly was more important than making a full case in court.
Actually people Bush's COUSIN works for the Fox News channel and he was 1 of the 4 people receiving and interpretting the results as they came in. He was also one of the 4 people who decided to call Florida before any other network did. After Fox News called it they all did. As far as the consitutionality of all of this, I don't think the writers of the constitution could ever foresee anything like this happening. I'm just repeating what I heard lawyers and judges arguing about. I'm not saying throwing out Florida is the answer, I'm just saying that people who know law have said that it is a answer. Anyone checked out Nassau or Seminole county yet to see how upright and fair these republicans down in Florida can be? If I lost an unfair election, I wouldn't concede either.
Even if he were to get all the alledged votes that have been fabricated, GORE WOULD STILL LOSE!!!
I love how he's acting like it's not about him, but rather, it's about making sure ALL VOTES are counted. (Except for those of the military or in counties that he doesn't have cronies in place to scam up some votes.)
I love how he's acting like it's not about him, but rather, it's about making sure ALL VOTES are counted. (Except for those of the military or in counties that he doesn't have cronies in place to scam up some votes.)
<< Gore, leading the electoral vote outside of Florida, should be declared the winner. >>
Then -
<< Actually Bryan throwing out Florida would not be rewriting the constitution. Most legal precedents say that when there is a dispute over elections and it seems impossible to certify that the result or the ballots were the will of the people you have to throw them out. >>
OBVIOUSLY you have never taken a gov't class. The constitution says that the winner of the election is the candidate with the MAJORITY OF THE ELECTORAL VOTES.
SHOULD NO CANDIDATE RECEIVE THE MAJORITY OF THE ELECTORAL VOTES, the race is decided hy the House of Representatives. In this case, we have a Republican house.
You throw out the Florida election results, and you throw it into the House, which is very partisan, moreso than the senate. Then Bush would win.
Precident: 1824 election. Andrew Jackson gets the majority of the popular vote, but between him, John Q. Adams, and Henry Clay, and one other guy, no one gets the majority of the electoral votes. Clay, getting the fewest popular votes, is thrown out of the race in the house. As he was Speaker at the time (I believe...) he then used his power to get John Adams elected president, just because he hated Clay's views so much esp. on states rights.
References: US Constitution, Article II, section 1, clause 2, paragraph 2.
<< Actually people Bush's COUSIN works for the Fox News channel and he was 1 of the 4 people receiving and interpretting the results as they came in. He was also one of the 4 people who decided to call Florida before any other network did. >>
You mean before the three MAJOR networks and CNN called it for Gore, or do you mean AFTER the polls were closed? Hmm?
<< Should Al Gore Concede the Election? >>
Not yet...
<< The Secretary of State of Florida has cerified the ballot count, Gov. Bush won, end of story. >>
Actually, you, Mr. Bush and his lawyers seem to forget there is a contest period, that they argued about in Florida Supreme Court.
Oh yeah, and nonwithstanding the fact that I rocked you hardcore (lol) brush up on your government before you come back with another silly arguement as to why Bore should win.
He lost the count.
He lost the recount.
He lost the manual recount.
This is in spite of him recounting only his biggest counties and throwing out US Military votes. So he's too much of a dick to accept military votes, recounts only his biggest counties, and whines when he STILL can't get the votes he wanted.
Fscking idiot if I've ever seen one.
He lost the count.
He lost the recount.
He lost the manual recount.
This is in spite of him recounting only his biggest counties and throwing out US Military votes. So he's too much of a dick to accept military votes, recounts only his biggest counties, and whines when he STILL can't get the votes he wanted.
Fscking idiot if I've ever seen one.
A clear majority of Americans didn't want the Repubs to go through with the impeachment of Clinton, but they know better. Same thing here. This has nothing to do with public opinion, we have no constitutional crisis. It's a matter that 50,000,000 Americans voted for him and he owes it to them to go all the way. He won the popular vote and very likely the real intended vote in Florida. He has a valid legal case. The courts will decide. It should be over by the 12 the of Dec. Gore doesn't need 270 votes he just has to get the majority of votes cast. If gore wins his cases and the vote, the courts will ssend his electors and the Legeslature in Florida will send Bushes. It will be up to congress to decide which gets to vote. The house will vote Bush, but the senate will tie. Thus there will be no decision. What happens then? The judge can also order a revote in a part of Florida or maybe all, but he probably doesn't have the balls to do it.
Hear Hear ... Al Gore is a big ole cry baby ... its disgusting to see how low a grown man will get ... even his own party is starting to get fed up ... and even the people who voted for him are getting fed up ...
apoppin
Lifer
Who really cares what you or I think?
Polls don't matter - certainly not this one. Gore has decided to contest this election - he has the support of his party (so far). The courts will decide this election - not opinion.
Evidently our votes don't always count anyway.
Polls don't matter - certainly not this one. Gore has decided to contest this election - he has the support of his party (so far). The courts will decide this election - not opinion.
Evidently our votes don't always count anyway.
<< SHOULD NO CANDIDATE RECEIVE THE MAJORITY OF THE ELECTORAL VOTES, the race is decided hy the House of Representatives. >>
I believe there is disagreement here on what MAJORITY means. Does it mean majority of the electoral college including the Florida electors. Or does it mean majority of all the electors that are present. (ie if Florida's aren't present, a majority of those present would be less than 270).
A deadline is a Deadline.... and if they didn't make it... well That's Life..... Bore needs to back off. If you really want to do a recount... well then let's include all those mail in ballots that were thrown out.....
The majority of all electors.
Basically if no one got 270 it would be thrown into the house.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Basically if no one got 270 it would be thrown into the house.
Thanks for pointing that out.
<< The majority of all electors. >>
Again, I don't think it is clear. Do you need 270 if Florida isn't there?
"The person having the greatest numebr of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five higest on the list the said house shall in like manner choose the President. But in choosing the President the votes shall be taken by States, the representation from each State having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist..."
I feel that you just cannot have Florida present. They can be there and Abstain should there be no decided winner, but they can't just not show.
I feel that you just cannot have Florida present. They can be there and Abstain should there be no decided winner, but they can't just not show.
He should definitely resign now... If for no other reason than he will never be elected to any other office ever if he does not stop his whining, and at least begin doing some sort of spin control.
Wow, the CNN poll under election 2000 now says that over 6 in 10 people say Mr. Gore should concede........speech must not have been accepted well by the public.......
Actually Element7 that's exactly what I was talking about. If a judge ruled that Florida couldn't certify it's votes and therefore Florida was thrown out then they wouldn't be able to appoint any electors. That is the kind of decision that the lawyers were talking about. In your own words The person having the greatest numebr of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed;
The whole number of electors appointed. If Florida can't certify it's results then it can't appoint any electors. Before you go feeling so good about your knowledge of history and law maybe you should look at the semantics. That could be interpretted in a way that a judge could rule that Florida can't certify it's results and therefore can't appoint any electors. Like I said, that's just what Judges and lawyers have been saying is a solution, not the solution and it's not the one that I necessarily think is best. Call Al Gore a cry baby all you want but all indications show that he won. You can say that there was a recount, another recount, then another hand recount all you want. It won't change the fact that
1) The first count was done by machines so innaccurate even the manufacturer of them said they shouldn't be used anymore(the latest in 1960's technology
2) The recount was done by the same innaccurate machines(which showed their innaccuracy by the huge difference between the two totals)
3) The hand recount wasn't completed and if it had been, Gore would have won.
Believe all you want but it would have only taken one full hand recount to make Gore the president rather than the three messed up counts it took Bush to cling to his waning lead. If you want to believe all the crap that falls from the mouth of James Baker then go ahead, but if you notice almost every ruling has gone in favor of Gore. Have you checked out Seminole county yet smartguy? Why don't you give me your interpretation of that situation
The whole number of electors appointed. If Florida can't certify it's results then it can't appoint any electors. Before you go feeling so good about your knowledge of history and law maybe you should look at the semantics. That could be interpretted in a way that a judge could rule that Florida can't certify it's results and therefore can't appoint any electors. Like I said, that's just what Judges and lawyers have been saying is a solution, not the solution and it's not the one that I necessarily think is best. Call Al Gore a cry baby all you want but all indications show that he won. You can say that there was a recount, another recount, then another hand recount all you want. It won't change the fact that
1) The first count was done by machines so innaccurate even the manufacturer of them said they shouldn't be used anymore(the latest in 1960's technology
2) The recount was done by the same innaccurate machines(which showed their innaccuracy by the huge difference between the two totals)
3) The hand recount wasn't completed and if it had been, Gore would have won.
Believe all you want but it would have only taken one full hand recount to make Gore the president rather than the three messed up counts it took Bush to cling to his waning lead. If you want to believe all the crap that falls from the mouth of James Baker then go ahead, but if you notice almost every ruling has gone in favor of Gore. Have you checked out Seminole county yet smartguy? Why don't you give me your interpretation of that situation
WSJ
In addition, a Democratic lawyer (with the silent assent of the Gore campaign) is pursuing a lawsuit seeking to have every one of Seminole County's 15,000 absentee ballots thrown out. The suit, to be heard next week, alleges that the local elections supervisor allowed Republicans to write in the voter identification number on 4,700 absentee ballot request forms that had been delivered to her office. No one alleges any tampering with the ballots themselves, but Democrats insist that clerical additions to ballot applications renders the votes invalid. Because all the absentee votes have been mixed together, the Democrats are demanding that 10,000 absentee voters with perfectly proper applications and ballots be nulllified.
Gore, "Let every vote count" when it's for me.
In addition, a Democratic lawyer (with the silent assent of the Gore campaign) is pursuing a lawsuit seeking to have every one of Seminole County's 15,000 absentee ballots thrown out. The suit, to be heard next week, alleges that the local elections supervisor allowed Republicans to write in the voter identification number on 4,700 absentee ballot request forms that had been delivered to her office. No one alleges any tampering with the ballots themselves, but Democrats insist that clerical additions to ballot applications renders the votes invalid. Because all the absentee votes have been mixed together, the Democrats are demanding that 10,000 absentee voters with perfectly proper applications and ballots be nulllified.
Gore, "Let every vote count" when it's for me.
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