Poll: Ultimate Question - Should Al Gore Concede the Election?

[Bryan]

Nuff said.

 

[Total Refected Power]

Of course. There is error in any human process, especially in elections. What happens if a fourth recount occurs and Gore wins by 1 vote? Is that the goal? To get a count that gives Gore the election? This could go on forever and Gore has yet to come close in any of these recounts.

Gore lost, he should concede.

 

[TheDennis]

absolutely

 

[konichiwa]

<< Is that the goal? To get a count that gives Gore the election? >>

Of course. What else would it be?

 

[stonythug]

Why should he concede when he won? The votes are there if you add them up. So many things have gone wrong for Al and still he's so close. If all the voter confusion hadn't happened he would have won by much more than 500 votes. Plus if you wanna see some shady Republican dealings check out Seminole and Naussau(spelling?) counties. He shouldn't concede when the presidency is being stolen from him

 

[stonythug]

Yes two machine recounts have been done by machines that even the manufacturer admits shouldn't be used any more due to it's large margin of error. Bush won by less than 1/10th of 1 percent which is much smaller than the margin of error, therefore we don't really know who won without a full hand recount(which Bush was afraid of). Also if the machines count was so accurate why did Gore gain so much after the first recount. That obviously shows something is messed up and if anything gives reason to fight more. The Republicans have been pulling the football manuever of trying to run a play before the other coach has a chance to challenge. They want Bush certified and elected quickly because he's ahead right now and they're not sure it will stay that way. If Bush's cousin hadn't been one of the four people who called Florida for Bush on election night then people might have realized that this is a statistical tie due to the margin of error of the machines. Even though hand recounts have innaccuracies they are much more accurate then a machine(even Bush thought so until he realized that fairness could cost him the election). Don't fear the truth!

 

[Balt]

And if Bush had asked for hand recounts in other counties his total would have gone up as well. It's not like Gore is the only one who got screwed out of votes because of technicalities and silly people who can't punch ballot cards. :disgust:

 

[etech]

Gore already conceded once, he should keep his word.

The Secretary of State of Florida has cerified the ballot count, Gov. Bush won, end of story.

 

[judgejudy]

I agree stony, this race is a statistical tie...
Nobody knows who won Florida, and no one will...
We should just throw out Florida as a whole by declaring it as a statistical tie.
Gore, leading the electoral vote outside of Florida, should be declared the winner.

 

[konichiwa]

**FART**

 

[konichiwa]

etech

You do know that Bush has several legal matters pending all the way to the US Supreme Court as well, right?

 

[Bryan]

<< Gore, leading the electoral vote outside of Florida, should be declared the winner. >>


And while we're rewriting the constitution, let's see what else we can come up with to make Big Al our first elected monarch.

 

[Bryan]

Grr...

 

[stonythug]

Gore conceded because Bush's cousin helped make the decision to call Florida when it was still way too close to call. That sounds awful fishy to me. I'm not saying that Bush wouldn't have picked up votes as well from a hand recount, of course he would have, but if you look at the numbers there are unusually high amount of ballots without a vote counted for president in a few counties and those counties happen to be the democratic counties, therefore Gore would probably get most of these. This plus all of people who couldn't figure out the butterfly ballot and the shady dealings in Nassau and Seminole county equal a victory for Gore. Whether you think those people in Palm Beach were morons or not is irrelevant, voting is not an intelligence test and anything that gets in the way of a voters ability to voice his choice is wrong. Those people meant to vote for Gore and with their votes he would have won.


Damn, can't type today.

 

[Bryan]

<< Gore conceded because Bush's cousin helped make the decision to call Florida when it was still way too close to call. >>



Bush's brother has nothing to do with calling a state, only the networks do. Calling a state is nothing more than predicting a winner.

While on the subject, those same networks called Florida for Gore long before the polls closed, possibly discouraging thousands of Bush supporters from going to vote, since it wouldn't matter.

 

[Balt]

<<Whether you think those people in Palm Beach were morons or not is irrelevant, voting is not an intelligence test and anything that gets in the way of a voters ability to voice his choice is wrong.>>

Letting them revote is not the answer, however. Granted the ballot shouldn't have been 'confusing' but it was and that's all there is to it.

Don't think I'm excited about Bush winning (because I'm not), but then I wouldn't have been excited if Gore had won either. Now I'm just waiting for this mess to end. Following procedurial guidelines, Bush seems to have won (although it's not CERTAIN yet). All this 'woulda, coulda, shoulda' stuff is what is irrelevant.

 

[stonythug]

Actually Bryan throwing out Florida would not be rewriting the constitution. Most legal precedents say that when there is a dispute over elections and it seems impossible to certify that the result or the ballots were the will of the people you have to throw them out. You can't just disqualify one county's returns because of ballot issues because that is completely unfair to that county and you no longer have an accurate representation of Florida. With all these problems I don't think Florida really can come to a certification that everyone is satisfied with. Throwing out Florida's electoral votes is a very reasonable answer because then Al Gore would become president with both the popular and electoral votes. You might say it's unconstitutional but the only ones I've heard talk about this course of action are lawyers and judges.

 

[etech]

stonythug
&quot;Gore conceded because Bush's cousin helped make the decision to call Florida when it was still way too close to call.&quot;

Give me one shred of proof to that statement.

and remember
The media called the race for Florida for Gore when the polls were still open.

&quot;This plus all of people who couldn't figure out the butterfly ballot.&quot;
They should of read the sample ballot that was sent to them, published in the paper or asked for help. What matters are the ballots that are cast. Presidential elections do not have mulligans.


&quot;These people ment to vote for Gore&quot;
Hell with people like you, why have elections, you know who all of those people would of voted for. Why didn't you offer this wisdom before the election? You could of saved the nation the time and money spent on it.

 

[Bryan]

Actually, awarding the election to a cantidate who does not have the required 270 Electoral votes is in fact in violation of the Constitution of the United States.

Also, based on your logic, you want to give the Presidency to Gore because he has a 3/1000 of 1% lead in the popular vote?!

 

[etech]

Sure, throw out Floridas vote, where does Gores call for each vote to be counted go then?

The race would then go to the congress to be decided, Gov. Bush still wins.

Bush won, get over it.

 

[Balt]

Correct me if I'm wrong here...

but I thought throwing out Florida's votes would mean no candidate would have a clear majority (hence the vote would go to Congress).

Yes I realize Gore is ahead in the electoral count without Florida included, but I seem to recall hearing that.

Edit: Guess I should have waited another minute or so
Edit²: Bryan, that's BALT, not BAIT.

 

[MrPALCO]

Check this out....

 

[Bryan]

Balt, you are correct. Al could not win automatically if Florida were thrown out, because you must have 270 Electoral votes to be named President by the Electoral College. Just like his slim lead in the popular vote doesn't matter, a lead in the Electoral vote is meaningless if you don't get 270.

Edit: Sorry Balt

 

[Total Refected Power]

CONCEDE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Opps, I voted twice.

 

[Bryan]

Total Refected Power



<< Opps, I voted twice. >>


I had no idea you were a Democrat.