Poll: Supply vs Demand of Xbox One consoles in launch window

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Where do you think the Xbox One supply stands with regard to demand during launch?

  • Majorly oversupply: there will be many consoles on the shelves.

  • Minor oversupply: occasional sellouts in stores, but always available in the region

  • Meets demand: occasional regional sellouts; possible to find if you move quickly.

  • Minor under-supply: frequent regional sellouts; very difficult to find a console

  • Major under-supply: frequent nationwide sellouts; nearly impossible to buy a console.


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cmdrdredd

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No,The hardware is setat this point for both and they are well under way with production at this point I am pretty sure. The software on the other hand, as far as the tools for developers and perhaps a little bit of the os stuff is not all 100%. I am sure there will be patches and such within a couple weeks of release.
 

purbeast0

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clok1966 all of those 2nd go arounds at day-one x1 consoles happened after ms announced that only a small select amount of regions were getting the x1 on november 22nd. it was pretty obvious from that announcement that they were taking resources that were supposed to be for those regions that got boned and bringing them into the major markets, which is why there were many more after they initially "sold out".
 

Tweak155

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clok1966 all of those 2nd go arounds at day-one x1 consoles happened after ms announced that only a small select amount of regions were getting the x1 on november 22nd. it was pretty obvious from that announcement that they were taking resources that were supposed to be for those regions that got boned and bringing them into the major markets, which is why there were many more after they initially "sold out".

Not to mention if you look at the game preorders, the COD is just as high as any for the PS4, indicating possibly similar pre-order numbers for both systems (I can only think of exdeath who would order a game just to have it wrapped, but he doesn't like COD ;)).
 

cmdrdredd

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Not to mention if you look at the game preorders, the COD is just as high as any for the PS4, indicating possibly similar pre-order numbers for both systems (I can only think of exdeath who would order a game just to have it wrapped, but he doesn't like COD ;)).

What do you mean "to have it wrapped"? Don't all new titles come shrink wrapped?

Wait...do you mean buy an extra and not open it? I doubt that happens with shooters.
 

smackababy

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Heh heh yeah, but seriously do people really buy shooter games as collectors items? I know Halo had some releases with stuff that could be considered collectible, but CoD?

The one that came with those night vision goggles might be worth something, just as night vision goggles.
 

Wolfpup

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Somewhere in between would be my guess for a few reasons:

-It's got a negative reputation compared to the 360, after Microsoft tried to end game ownership

-It's coming out at the same time as PS4, and is less powerful-360 had a year's head start.

-These consoles are less ambitious than the last ones were. 360 was pretty cutting edge at the time, roughly matching high end PC specs. This time they're...certainlly not BAD, but especially the One is well below a pretty normal gaming PC now. I'd consider the PS4's GPU high end, though there are several multiple GPUs better, and I'd consider the One's GPU mid range. In other words, it won't be so hard to manufacturer.

-they've also had more time on this-presumably they will have had more time to build units then last time.

All that combined my assumption is it'll be easier than last time to buy both systems, though I'd still expect them to sell out, be a bit patchy until maybe later next year.

Hell, I guess it's a great thing if Microsoft and Sony HAVE built a ton, but still sell out. Means there's maybe more demand than people thought.

I've got one of both preordered. I really, REALLY want to stop having multiple systems, as I just don't have room for them, particularly storing multiples of things down the road. As such, I plan on getting my PS4, seeing if the controller still works even if its battery is removed, the way PS3 does. If not, I may sell PS4, and just switch to One exclusively (though it's a bit painful for me as PS4 is so much more powerful, and I'll always be going "ugh, this would look better on PS4"). I like that One uses non-sealed, non-proprietary batteries though.

My Wii U I haven't even played yet, and while I love Nintendo's games, I'm SICK of this ridiculous multiformat nonsense, and I'm sick of Nintendo releasing last gen systems. If they weren't going to release a real system, they should have sold their games on PS3/360/PS4/One. They'd make more money, and not have to have spent billions releasing an idiotic new system.

*sigh* I hope they go multiplatform soon, but until then I may keep my Wii U and just rent exclusives. I just can not justify keeping three systems and spares, plus portables, etc. in the basement. I'm waaaay out of room, and as it is wish I had spare stuff for my Saturn and SNES and NES.
 

cmdrdredd

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The one that came with those night vision goggles might be worth something, just as night vision goggles.

That was Cod or was that splinter cell? I can't remember all these special editions half the time.

I've got one of both preordered. I really, REALLY want to stop having multiple systems, as I just don't have room for them, particularly storing multiples of things down the road. As such, I plan on getting my PS4, seeing if the controller still works even if its battery is removed, the way PS3 does. If not, I may sell PS4, and just switch to One exclusively (though it's a bit painful for me as PS4 is so much more powerful, and I'll always be going "ugh, this would look better on PS4"). I like that One uses non-sealed, non-proprietary batteries though.

This is the first time I've ever heard it mentioned that a rechargeable battery in a controller was a negative. Why would you want to remove it and then be stuck tethered to the system? I'd rather it come with a battery I can charge than deal with buying batteries for it, even rechargeable ones.
 
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Ferzerp

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The "reputation" that an above poster mentioned seems artificially manufactured to me to be honest.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if down the road we don't find out that Sony was involved in some marketing shenanigans. They made some boneheaded decisions early on, but reconsidered far before release. The level of whining that has persisted though, seems somewhat suspect.


It seems oddly strange that there are a lot of vocal folks who seem rather interested in convincing others that it will be a failed product so vehemently that I just can't take it at face value or extrapolate anything at all based on it.
 

cmdrdredd

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The "reputation" that an above poster mentioned seems artificially manufactured to me to be honest.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if down the road we don't find out that Sony was involved in some marketing shenanigans. They made some boneheaded decisions early on, but reconsidered far before release. The level of whining that has persisted though, seems somewhat suspect.


It seems oddly strange that there are a lot of vocal folks who seem rather interested in convincing others that it will be a failed product so vehemently that I just can't take it at face value or extrapolate anything at all based on it.

No, it's a simple fact that people didn't want the DRM and all the forced kinect and online stuff. Notice that their pre-order numbers jumped when these things were removed. It doesn't take any kind of scientist to figure out what happened.
 

slugg

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No, it's a simple fact that people didn't want the DRM and all the forced kinect and online stuff. Notice that their pre-order numbers jumped when these things were removed. It doesn't take any kind of scientist to figure out what happened.

I'm the one person in the world who actually wanted all of that stuff. And now it's gone. Seriously considering canceling my preorder.
 

cmdrdredd

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I'm the one person in the world who actually wanted all of that stuff. And now it's gone. Seriously considering canceling my preorder.

So you wanted DRM? You wanted to be unable to use the system if your internet was down? You wanted to be forced to use kinect? You better cancel cause you aren't getting screwed as a consumer anymore.
 

purbeast0

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So you wanted DRM? You wanted to be unable to use the system if your internet was down? You wanted to be forced to use kinect? You better cancel cause you aren't getting screwed as a consumer anymore.

why is it when people disagree with you that you have such a hard time understanding people have different opinions and wants/needs?

i don't think i've played a console game when my internet was down since like 2002.

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other than when i was playing pirated games on xbox/360.
 

cmdrdredd

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why is it when people disagree with you that you have such a hard time understanding people have different opinions and wants/needs?

i don't think i've played a console game when my internet was down since like 2002.

Cause it's a stupid reasoning. "No more forced that and we don't have draconian DRM, now I can't buy it" that's as backwards as they come
 

purbeast0

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Cause it's a stupid reasoning. "No more forced that and we don't have draconian DRM, now I can't buy it" that's as backwards as they come

you do realize that a major feature was lost because of this right? the whole "installation" thing is out the window because of it. you can no longer buy a game at the store, install it, and put the disc away for good. many people wanted that feature.
 

purbeast0

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You can buy it digital and never need the disk. Oh the horror.

which is different than what i said. but yeah, ignore a feature that people wanted that has been removed, since it fits into what you wanted. it's sad you can't understand people have different needs/wants than you. no matter how you spin it, it's a lost feature.

i remember when it first was announced and i was all on board it was the same with you and many others on this board. couldn't FATHOM the fact that people would actually pay for something like that. anything that is different than your wants/needs you would put down and try to act as if the other people were stupid for liking something you don't like. but this is the internet where that is 95% of how people act on here.
 

cmdrdredd

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which is different than what i said. but yeah, ignore a feature that people wanted that has been removed, since it fits into what you wanted. it's sad you can't understand people have different needs/wants than you. no matter how you spin it, it's a lost feature.

i remember when it first was announced and i was all on board it was the same with you and many others on this board. couldn't FATHOM the fact that people would actually pay for something like that. anything that is different than your wants/needs you would put down and try to act as if the other people were stupid for liking something you don't like. but this is the internet where that is 95% of how people act on here.

If it helps you sleep.
 

Adrenaline

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I think there will be a small over supply for the Xbox One. If they are sold out, I feel it will be people that can't find a PS4.

I think the PS4 will sell out everywhere.
 

slugg

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Cause it's a stupid reasoning. "No more forced that and we don't have draconian DRM, now I can't buy it" that's as backwards as they come

Ehh... Forcing us to use Kinect and to be online forces us to use new technology, similar to the way way Apple forces us to lose backward compatibility. This is one way of moving forward, and is one of the reasons why Apple tends to get all sorts of new gismos, like FireWire and ThunderBolt.

I'm aware that you can still opt-in for using the Kinect and that you're still allowed to be online with the console, but it's not the same. With the old rules, all apps and games were guaranteed the Kinect and cloud computing resources, but not anymore. It would have been cool to go to any entertainment center powered by Xbone and tell it to play my favorite music, and that would have been the expected behavior. It's like something out of The Jetsons, and that's what I wanted. We could have had another step toward ubiquitous computing, but instead, fear mongering and the worst PR team in history gimped what could have been really cool.

Nobody is forcing you to buy an Xbone; the other stuff just came with the package. I personally liked the original idea package, but I am the minority.

Nobody cries about "sense of ownership" with World of Warcraft. Nobody cries about it with Steam games. But when Microsoft does it, it's the end of the world.

Whatever.
 

zerocool84

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Nov 11, 2004
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Ehh... Forcing us to use Kinect and to be online forces us to use new technology, similar to the way way Apple forces us to lose backward compatibility. This is one way of moving forward, and is one of the reasons why Apple tends to get all sorts of new gismos, like FireWire and ThunderBolt.

I'm aware that you can still opt-in for using the Kinect and that you're still allowed to be online with the console, but it's not the same. With the old rules, all apps and games were guaranteed the Kinect and cloud computing resources, but not anymore. It would have been cool to go to any entertainment center powered by Xbone and tell it to play my favorite music, and that would have been the expected behavior. It's like something out of The Jetsons, and that's what I wanted. We could have had another step toward ubiquitous computing, but instead, fear mongering and the worst PR team in history gimped what could have been really cool.

Nobody is forcing you to buy an Xbone; the other stuff just came with the package. I personally liked the original idea package, but I am the minority.

Nobody cries about "sense of ownership" with World of Warcraft. Nobody cries about it with Steam games. But when Microsoft does it, it's the end of the world.

Whatever.

You can't compare it to WoW or Steam. On Steam, you can buy AAA for cheap prices, it's worth not being able to sell them, plus PC gamers are a different bunch than console gamers. PC gamers will pay hundreds of dollars to upgrade just for one game. WoW is obviously not playable offline so that's a no brainer.

There's a whole industry on being able to sell old games on consoles and I'm glad the public made Microsoft change their requirements. I like being able to sell old console games I don't play anymore since console games are more expensive than PC games.

There's a big difference between forcing people to use new technology to enhance, and to restrict us. Microsoft was not in it to make things easier for us, it was only to restrict us. Daily check-ins does nothing to enhance the console or our experience.
 

cmdrdredd

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Ehh... Forcing us to use Kinect and to be online forces us to use new technology, similar to the way way Apple forces us to lose backward compatibility. This is one way of moving forward, and is one of the reasons why Apple tends to get all sorts of new gismos, like FireWire and ThunderBolt.

I'm aware that you can still opt-in for using the Kinect and that you're still allowed to be online with the console, but it's not the same. With the old rules, all apps and games were guaranteed the Kinect and cloud computing resources, but not anymore. It would have been cool to go to any entertainment center powered by Xbone and tell it to play my favorite music, and that would have been the expected behavior. It's like something out of The Jetsons, and that's what I wanted. We could have had another step toward ubiquitous computing, but instead, fear mongering and the worst PR team in history gimped what could have been really cool.

Nobody is forcing you to buy an Xbone; the other stuff just came with the package. I personally liked the original idea package, but I am the minority.

Nobody cries about "sense of ownership" with World of Warcraft. Nobody cries about it with Steam games. But when Microsoft does it, it's the end of the world.

Whatever.

Firewire wasn't solely pushed by apple, there were major contributions from Texas Instruments, Sony, and IBM. Thunderbolt was developed by Intel. Apple tried to trademark the name but Intel owns full rights so they had to transfer everything.

Anyhow...you honestly believe it would work like you said? Everything they were doing was restrictions. From no longer selling used games except through specific retailers, to requiring you to connect online every 24 hours to check your DRM status, to using kinect to limit your viewing depending on how many faces it detects in the room. None of those were going to be good things. A whole industry of rentals, used sales, ebay sales, craigs list sales, heck even our own forums here would be entirely devoid of XB1 games. There would be zero incentive to put games on sale like steam because there is no competition driving them to do so. On the PC Steam isn't the only game in town but to keep people using their services they do sales a few times a year in cooperation with publishers.

As zerocool said above there is a difference between restricting your customer's and using new technology to enhance an experience and allow new ways to enjoy games and media.