POLL: SLI upgrade path

[Soccerman06]

Rollo, Munky, Ackmed please stop trolling and make your thread if you want to argue. Leave the normal threads alone unless you have something usefull to say and not just bashing each other.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky
Blah blah blah

You call that a rebuttal? You havent addressed any of my points, instead of just "blah blah blah" crapping, post a real rebuttal, and then you can expect mine.

By stating this, you have made it quite clear that you already plan to rebut any points Rollo makes. Even if his points are accurate/correct? Sounds like you just plan on rebutting because it's Rollo, and not rebut the data. Sad.

By staing this, you've made it quite clear that

1) You didnt read the entire thread, when Rollo says :

So you don't really have any rebuttal? Thought not, you never do. You just like to flame SLI and retreat to "Munky say it that way, trust Munky".

Sorry, you'll have to do better than that to convince anyone with more on the ball than a primate.

2) You didnt make any useful contribution to this thread, except trying to flame me, and asking to get flamed in return

Of course I read the whole ridiculous thread. So that people who are engulfed in flames with no fire extinguisher to be found cant say that I didn't.

As far as making a contribution to the thread, here you go:

If you have and SLI board and a single 6800GT/Ultra, get a second one. If you're upgrading your whole rig, I would go with an SLI board and a single GTX so I can have the option to SLI later if I wished it.

Honestly, do you think you contributed anything more to this thread than I just did?
We all know you're an ATI fan, so why even make a thread asking about SLI upgrade paths? Are you trying to help out a friend who asked you this very question? When a person is so well known to be an ATI fan and posts a poll about nvidia, one can only suspect alterior motives. No choice. It's natural. Deal with it.

 

[nRollo]

That's a good question Keys.

Why would Munky post a poll about nVidia only upgrade paths? He doesn't own any nVidia cards, I doubt he's considering them.

He called me a "motherfvcker" in the R520 thread for suggesting it might not be all that and a bag of chips.

So what is the ATI lovin' Munky posting about 7800GTXs and SLI for, if not to stir up trouble?

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Honestly, do you think you contributed anything more to this thread than I just did?
We all know you're an ATI fan, so why even make a thread asking about SLI upgrade paths? Are you trying to help out a friend who asked you this very question? When a person is so well known to be an ATI fan and posts a poll about nvidia, one can only suspect alterior motives. No choice. It's natural. Deal with it.

Ok, so you suspect me of ulterior motives, when I didnt actually say anything promoting Ati in this thread. Me owning Nv cards + SLI is not a requirement for me to post a poll about em. In fact, I could have just as likely made a poll about the Crossfire upgrade, and I doubt rollo would have jumped in screaming how dual x850's were better than a single x1800xt, if these products were available on the market right now. If you're gonna accuse me spreading misinformation when I didnt actually do so, then you can expect me to fight back. It's natural, so deal with that.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Honestly, do you think you contributed anything more to this thread than I just did?
We all know you're an ATI fan, so why even make a thread asking about SLI upgrade paths? Are you trying to help out a friend who asked you this very question? When a person is so well known to be an ATI fan and posts a poll about nvidia, one can only suspect alterior motives. No choice. It's natural. Deal with it.

Ok, so you suspect me of ulterior motives, when I didnt actually say anything promoting Ati in this thread. Me owning Nv cards + SLI is not a requirement for me to post a poll about em. In fact, I could have just as likely made a poll about the Crossfire upgrade, and I doubt rollo would have jumped in screaming how dual x850's were better than a single x1800xt, if these products were available on the market right now. If you're gonna accuse me spreading misinformation when I didnt actually do so, then you can expect me to fight back. It's natural, so deal with that.

Obviously I did not accuse you of spreading misinformation. Yes, this is correct. I did accuse you of having an utlerior motive. Yes, this is correct also. Fight back? You think this is fighting? It's like you throwing toothpicks at a Sherman tank. And for future posts, if you don't mind, try and use your own little catch phrases. Original thinking is where it's at in here, and you show little of it by using my material. At least be original.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Honestly, do you think you contributed anything more to this thread than I just did?
We all know you're an ATI fan, so why even make a thread asking about SLI upgrade paths? Are you trying to help out a friend who asked you this very question? When a person is so well known to be an ATI fan and posts a poll about nvidia, one can only suspect alterior motives. No choice. It's natural. Deal with it.

Ok, so you suspect me of ulterior motives, when I didnt actually say anything promoting Ati in this thread. Me owning Nv cards + SLI is not a requirement for me to post a poll about em. In fact, I could have just as likely made a poll about the Crossfire upgrade, and I doubt rollo would have jumped in screaming how dual x850's were better than a single x1800xt, if these products were available on the market right now. If you're gonna accuse me spreading misinformation when I didnt actually do so, then you can expect me to fight back. It's natural, so deal with that.

I notice you didn't say what your motives for posting a poll about nVidia products when you own none are Munky.

Sort of embarassing to say you're trolling?

What do you care what people with 6800GTs do? You don't have one?

You couldn't have made this post about R520s and Crossfire- they're all still vaporware so no one could answer.

 

[Keysplayr]

Well, Nite folks. bed time.

Good night Munky.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Why would Munky post a poll about nVidia only upgrade paths? He doesn't own any nVidia cards, I doubt he's considering them.

I wasnt asking for advice, I was taking a poll of what other people think, you got a problem with that?

He called me a "motherfvcker" in the R520 thread for suggesting it might not be all that and a bag of chips.

I called you a "motherfvcker" bacause the OP asked about when we might see the results of the r520, and instead you took the opportunity to spread FUD how it wont be available, will be overpriced, and similar BS you usually post, when you have no proof to support your claims

So what is the ATI lovin' Munky posting about 7800GTXs and SLI for, if not to stir up trouble?

Are you troubled by the results of the poll? The people have spoken, I didnt force em to vote the way they did. Since Crossfire isnt available yet, I cant post a similar post about Crossfire, although if I did, you wouldnt be defending dual x850's, would you?

 

[xtknight]

So, what was wrong with a poll asking what people planned to do with their SLI systems? I don't understand how this crap turns in to a flame fest every time. None of this stuff happens in the Software or the OS forum that often. Someone posts benchmarks in their favor, and the other says "OMG, YOU JUST POSTED THE SELECT ONES IN YOUR FAVOR" and back to square one again.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Honestly, do you think you contributed anything more to this thread than I just did?
We all know you're an ATI fan, so why even make a thread asking about SLI upgrade paths? Are you trying to help out a friend who asked you this very question? When a person is so well known to be an ATI fan and posts a poll about nvidia, one can only suspect alterior motives. No choice. It's natural. Deal with it.

Ok, so you suspect me of ulterior motives, when I didnt actually say anything promoting Ati in this thread. Me owning Nv cards + SLI is not a requirement for me to post a poll about em. In fact, I could have just as likely made a poll about the Crossfire upgrade, and I doubt rollo would have jumped in screaming how dual x850's were better than a single x1800xt, if these products were available on the market right now. If you're gonna accuse me spreading misinformation when I didnt actually do so, then you can expect me to fight back. It's natural, so deal with that.

Obviously I did not accuse you of spreading misinformation. Yes, this is correct. I did accuse you of having an utlerior motive. Yes, this is correct also. Fight back? You think this is fighting? It's like you throwing toothpicks at a Sherman tank. And for future posts, if you don't mind, try and use your own little catch phrases. Original thinking is where it's at in here, and you show little of it by using my material. At least be original.

If you're gonna accuse me of anything, without proof/evidence, it's like shooting with a Sherman tank at a M1 tank. (Yeah, I borrowed your tank idea, it was too good to pass up. :beer: )

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky
Are you troubled by the results of the poll? The people have spoken, I didnt force em to vote the way they did. Since Crossfire isnt available yet, I cant post a similar post about Crossfire, although if I did, you wouldnt be defending dual x850's, would you?

The situations are dissimilar.

The GPU of the 6800GT and 7800GTX have more in common than the X8XX and R520. The R520 is a modern card, the X8XXs are primitive SM2 cards.

If the X8XXs were SM3 cards with EXR HDR and soft stencil shadows I'd likely make the same points I did about the 6800GTs.

Both solutions are a compromise, each has it's pros and cons.

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: Rollo
That's a good question Keys.

Why would Munky post a poll about nVidia only upgrade paths? He doesn't own any nVidia cards, I doubt he's considering them.

Want to share with us what you know about ATI besides "THEY SUCK!"? Buying a X800 box from the dollar store doesn't mean you have the card.

 

[BFG10K]

I think we all know by now the 6800 line cannot do 20X15 as well as 7800GTXs, the question becomes how many people have a 20X15 monitor?

People who go for SLI should have a monitor capable of that resolution.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I think we all know by now the 6800 line cannot do 20X15 as well as 7800GTXs, the question becomes how many people have a 20X15 monitor?

People who go for SLI should have a monitor capable of that resolution.

We all know you don't like SLI BFG, but anyone who can read can see plenty of benchmarks where it's pretty obvious SLI is nice to have at 16X10, 16X12, 19X12, and 19X14 as well.

For that matter, 12X10 with 16X SLI AA is pretty nice as well.

While I don't have a monitor that can display 20X15, I somehow manage to enjoy gaming at 19X14 4X8X. If you could run games at that setting, I'm sure you would enjoy it as well.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I think we all know by now the 6800 line cannot do 20X15 as well as 7800GTXs, the question becomes how many people have a 20X15 monitor?

People who go for SLI should have a monitor capable of that resolution.

We all know you don't like SLI BFG, but anyone who can read can see plenty of benchmarks where it's pretty obvious SLI is nice to have at 16X10, 16X12, 19X12, and 19X14 as well.

For that matter, 12X10 with 16X SLI AA is pretty nice as well.

While I don't have a monitor that can display 20X15, I somehow manage to enjoy gaming at 19X14 4X8X. If you could run games at that setting, I'm sure you would enjoy it as well.

There are also plenty of benches that show a single 7800gtx is nice at 16x12 and 20x15
If someone prefers a single gtx for that kind of gameplay, how is your dual-6800's opinion any more valid than theirs?

 

[Soccerman06]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
Rollo, Munky, Ackmed please stop trolling and make your thread if you want to argue. Leave the normal threads alone unless you have something usefull to say and not just bashing each other.

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[BFG10K]

We all know you don't like SLI BFG, but anyone who can read can see plenty of benchmarks where it's pretty obvious SLI is nice to have at 16X10, 16X12, 19X12, and 19X14 as well.

What I like or dislike has nothing to do with it. It's pretty foolish to pimp SLI and then turn around and start explaining to us that the masses can't do high resolutions.

For that matter, 12X10 with 16X SLI AA is pretty nice as well.

I don't recall you supporting this resolution when you were slamming crossfire's 1600x1200 limit.

While I don't have a monitor that can display 20X15,

Too bad for you - you obviously can't even take advantage of your own SLI setup properly.

If you could run games at that setting, I'm sure you would enjoy it as well.

I'd never run games at that setting because it's ludicrous to go below 16xAF these days. As for 1920x1440 with 16xAF and 4xAA, I run plenty of games at that setting on even a single X800 XL thankyou very much. I was running such settings long before you even discovered that resolution existed.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

If you could run games at that setting, I'm sure you would enjoy it as well.

I'd never run games at that setting because it's ludicrous to go below 16xAF these days. As for 1920x1440 with 16xAF and 4xAA, I run plenty of games at that setting on even a single X800 XL thankyou very much. I was running such settings long before you even discovered that resolution existed.

What games are you running at 19X14 4X16X BFG? Doom1? Duke Nuke'm?


As for the rest, gee, you don't approve of my hardware or settings? That's a shock. :roll:

 

[BFG10K]

What games are you running at 19X14 4X16X BFG?

Probably twice as many as you are.

As for the rest, gee, you don't approve of my hardware

A 7800 SLI setup is great, no doubts there. I personally prefer single cards for various reasons but there's no doubt a 7800 SLI setup kicks absolute ass for performance.

What I don't approve of is your attempt to project superiority for having such a setup by using flawed examples to back your claims. It's like somebody pimping a Porsche when they can't drive.

Yes, we all know the Porsche is great but the person who can't drive just looks foolish when they try to criticize someone with a Nissan who has been driving for years.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
Rollo, Munky, Ackmed please stop trolling and make your thread if you want to argue. Leave the normal threads alone unless you have something usefull to say and not just bashing each other.

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Agreed.

Plus BFG, um an X800XL would die on 1920x1440 with 16xAF and 4xAA games such as doom3 (would be a slideshow), HL2 etc

What running Doom2 on that sort of setting?

Seriously, when the new 80 drivers released its clear SLi is a better product than Xfire, due to the amount of features that SLi has over Xfire, and also the availablity of the cards as well.

Plus If 6800GT x2 isnt all that bad, since the 6800GTs are going for really cheap and still provide high performance. Brand, Bios isnt a problem. Heck clockspeeds arent important now, since you can run the cards in different speeds according to the upcomnig features of the 80 Driver.

It all depends on peoples preferences, such as one might think based on logic, e.g gets one GTX instead of buying another 6800Gt/U for SLi because the 2 cards perform about the same, heat, power,(according to some, but actually the SLi setup wins most benchs at 16x12 of course with 4xaa 8xaf). Another might think its more "cool" to have 2 cards running, another might think its more extreme to have SLi, people with dual monitors can go for SLi, people based on budget think SLi is ridiculous etc etc.

Let me ask you this. If you had the money, would you go for a SLi setup? I would
I dont see whats so bad with SLi.

And plus, instead of spending greatly on the GFX card, you spend more on dual core, get cheap 6600 or even 6200, SLi them, install 80driver, and your performance around 1024x768 should beat a single card due to the driver offering dual core performance.

But thats just my 2 cents on SLi... :beer:

 

[BFG10K]

Plus BFG, um an X800XL would die on 1920x1440 with 16xAF and 4xAA games such as doom3 (would be a slideshow), HL2 etc

Of course which is why I don't run games like Doom 3 at such settings; however for games older than 18-24 months or so the card flies at such settings.

If you had the money, would you go for a SLi setup?

Nope. I have the money but I don't want SLI, mainly because of noise and because I prefer to upgrade single cards more often. Also it's harder to dump two old cards than it is to dump one.

In addition because I have so many games I don't like relying on driver profiles so a non-SLI setup is more robust for me because I can run everything through the global driver profile.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I think we all know by now the 6800 line cannot do 20X15 as well as 7800GTXs, the question becomes how many people have a 20X15 monitor?

People who go for SLI should have a monitor capable of that resolution.

I think that people who have SLI boards and currently utilizing a single 6800GT or 6800 Ultra and are struggling with low fps in some games at 1280x1024 and/or 1600x1200 with everything maxxed (HQ, max AA, max AF, Shadows max, etc. etc.) might do well to get a second 6800gt or 6800Ultra. They can then substantially increase their fps at 1600x1200 with everything maxxed and have a much better gaming experience. 1600x1200 is a real nice resolution to play at. Don't really see a need at this point in time to go higher than that, unless of course your monitor supports higher. Who wouldn't want to play higher if they could? My current monitor can only do 1600x1200. I have a 7800GTX that can obviously go much higher, but there is no setting I can't run at 1600x1200. I find myself actually hunting through game options for more things I can turn on. I don't have an SLI board. I had an AGP board with a 6800GT, so I opted to upgrade to a PCI-e board with a 7800GTX.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Plus BFG, um an X800XL would die on 1920x1440 with 16xAF and 4xAA games such as doom3 (would be a slideshow), HL2 etc

Of course which is why I don't run games like Doom 3 at such settings; however for games older than 18-24 months or so the card flies at such settings.

If you had the money, would you go for a SLi setup?

Nope. I have the money but I don't want SLI, mainly because of noise and because I prefer to upgrade single cards more often. Also it's harder to dump two old cards than it is to dump one.

In addition because I have so many games I don't like relying on driver profiles so a non-SLI setup is more robust for me because I can run everything through the global driver profile.

You do realize that you don't have to sell two cards that were in an SLI setup as a "pair" right? You could sell them separately just as easily as you can sell one.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: xtknight
I don't understand how this crap turns in to a flame fest every time.

It's very simple. It's called "Rollo". He imagined that Nvidia was being slighted in some obscure way by the poll and decided to move in and trash yet another potentially informative thread.

Originally posted by: Rollo
Ah Munky, you're just a rabble rouser trying to flame SLI. Get over it. Anyone with 6800GT SLI is STILL better off than anyone with any ATI crap.

Originally posted by: Rollo
People like you are really annoying: "Wah. It's not the to the penny most economical way to get the performance. Wah."

Originally posted by: Rollo
Lighten up for christ sakes. It's a freaking hobby, not some damn budgeting equation where you have to eke out every last frame per penny.

The ironic part is that the results of this poll could potentially be applied to those who are considering a Crossfire system when they become available.

 

[Quantum Mechanic]

I would probably upgrade in this senerio but I might get a second 7800 instead of what comes next. I like the single slot cooling and the decreased power usage of the the new generation. But if you like your 6800, maybe it overclocks like a beast, maybe sli outperforms at your preferred settings or whatever it's fine too. As sli boards and power supplies come down in price you will see many people buting them in and not using them. I am putting a 7800 in my system right now and will be upgrading my wife's with one next spring. Then next time I upgrade one computer the other person will get a boost from having sli.