POLL: SLI upgrade path

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky
We can also find a number of benches where the single 7800gtx beats dual 6800's. I also think it's better to have 1 new card instead of 2 old ones, especially for the same money and performance, and possibly newer features. But, apparently some ppl would rather use the SLI upgrade, and I'm curious what percentage of SLI board owners actually use the SLI upgrade option.

Ah Munky, you're just a rabble rouser trying to flame SLI. Get over it. Anyone with 6800GT SLI is STILL better off than anyone with any ATI crap.

People like you are really annoying: "Wah. It's not the to the penny most economical way to get the performance. Wah."

Lighten up for christ sakes. It's a freaking hobby, not some damn budgeting equation where you have to eke out every last frame per penny. :roll:

Stop crapping on my thread tRollo. Do you see me say anywhere SLI sux a$$, Ati p3wnz Nvidia? I said I didnt think it was a cost effective solution, and I'm entitled to my opinion. Also I didnt mention anything about Ati, so just because I dont go around praising SLI as the best thing since sliced bread doesnt make me a fanAtic, so dont put words in my mouth.

Meh. You make a poll to put down people with SLI, you'll hear from me in it?

Did you have 6800X SLI Munky? No, so whatever you had was slow in comparison.

Do you have 7800 SLI Munky? No, so whatever you have is slow in comparison.

You can point fingers and hiss "Not cost effective" all you like, but people with 6800GT SLIs had a real enthusiast rig when you didn't, and now people with 7800 SLIs own you.

Take your poll back to the treetops- you should add a third option for yourself- "I wish I had SLI but instead I made a "fox and the grapes" poll.

I made a poll to see if ppl use the SLI upgrade or not. Looking at the results, the majority of ppl here arent as enthusiastic about SLI as you, so go preach the wonders of SLI to someone who gives a rat's A$s.

And also, I can mod my board into SLI with nothing more than a pencil, so I could easily have SLI if I wanted to. I dont use it because I choose not to.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Actually, those numbers do prove that is usually. The GTX *win* (not really a win, so close) 3 out of 5, thasts most.

Of course you totally ignored my point and just agreed with Munky. :roll:

Is Doom3 an important benchmarking game in that many games will use it's engine? Many would say so? Your own post shows a 39% performance increase for the SLI rig over the 7800GTX Ackmed. 39%. The 7800GTX "wins" in your post would be indiscernible to the naked eye and in practice. So if the benches are for all practical purposes the same, except for one HUGE win, which card would you rather have? The one that's the same except for one HUGE loss? :roll:

My links showed big wins on FEAR, Riddick, and Far Cry as well- no one has shown any big wins for the 7800GTX that I have seen?

I've made my point, the best the anti-SLI trolling team can apparently come up with is, "Well it's about the same in most games, and we hate SLI, so we'll key on that and forget all the benefits of SLI". :roll:

I am NOT saying a person with neither is better off to buy 6800GT SLI. I am saying that their are some pretty good reasons to buy another 6800GT if you have one and an SLI motherboard already.

A person would have to weigh the speed benefit in some games that really need graphics power against the newer features and future upgradeability of the 7800GTX.

It's not a easy choice, and you can't really lose with either. The only thing we know for sure is that either choice totally annihilates anything built by ATI.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Actually, those numbers do prove that is usually. The GTX *win* (not really a win, so close) 3 out of 5, thasts most.

.1 fps and .6 fps are not "wins". I mean, seriously. At that res and aa/af settings, GTX and SLI 6800U/GT are just about dead even. And you know that when posters say things like

Originally posted by: Bona Fide
If you have a single 6800GT/Ultra, I would say sell it and buy a single 7800GT(X) card. The GTX outperforms SLI'd Ultras and the GT outperforms SLI'd 6800GT's.

that they aren't talking about .1 and .6 fps. They THINK that the GTX is 2x as fast as the 6800 SLI. I see it posted all the time by misinformed people.

If I had a single 6800GT/U, I most likely sell it and buy the GTX. I'm not a huge supporter of the upgrade path with SLI. I believe it makes most sense to purchase two med-high range cards and SLI them immediately. You could grab 2 6800GTs back in January and have GTX performance for 8 months prior to the GTX release.

Originally posted by: TStep
Actually I'm pretty interested in seeing what the ultimate upgrade choice will be for those who chose SLI.

I'm still waiting for a single card that can beat my SLI 6800GTs at the settings I play at (16x12 4xAA/8xAF). The GTX isn't it. Rumors of the R520 say it will, but possibly fake benches show it won't. Who knows. But if it only beats it by a small amount, I won't be upgrading this gen. I'll need to see a significant increase in the games I play at the settings I play before I'll be trading up.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky
I made a poll to see if ppl use the SLI upgrade or not. Looking at the results, the majority of ppl here arent as enthusiastic about SLI as you, so go preach the wonders of SLI to someone who gives a rat's A$s.

And also, I can mod my board into SLI with nothing more than a pencil, so I could easily have SLI if I wanted to. I dont use it because I choose not to.

A. You didn't bother to comment on all the scenarios where I show the 6800SLI to be the better choice by far, because all you're doing is trolling.
B. Those bananas were green anyway, right Munky?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Actually, those numbers do prove that is usually. The GTX *win* (not really a win, so close) 3 out of 5, thasts most.

Of course you totally ignored my point and just agreed with Munky. :roll:

Is Doom3 an important benchmarking game in that many games will use it's engine? Many would say so? Your own post shows a 39% performance increase for the SLI rig over the 7800GTX Ackmed. 39%. The 7800GTX "wins" in your post would be indiscernible to the naked eye and in practice. So if the benches are for all practical purposes the same, except for one HUGE win, which card would you rather have? The one that's the same except for one HUGE loss? :roll:

My links showed big wins on FEAR, Riddick, and Far Cry as well- no one has shown any big wins for the 7800GTX that I have seen?

I've made my point, the best the anti-SLI trolling team can apparently come up with is, "Well it's about the same in most games, and we hate SLI, so we'll key on that and forget all the benefits of SLI". :roll:

I am NOT saying a person with neither is better off to buy 6800GT SLI. I am saying that their are some pretty good reasons to buy another 6800GT if you have one and an SLI motherboard already.

A person would have to weigh the speed benefit in some games that really need graphics power against the newer features and future upgradeability of the 7800GTX.

It's not a easy choice, and you can't really lose with either. The only thing we know for sure is that either choice totally annihilates anything built by ATI.

What point? I agree that the GTX is usually about as fast, except for Doom3.

Yes SLI'd Ultras are much faster in Doom3, which I already said. The margine of difference is about the same for Farcry with HDR, the GTX being much faster than 2x6800U's. I thought HDR was so important, remember? SLI doesnt speed up HDR except for a few frames, so thats a total waste, correct? The 7800 series will run much faster in HDR, than any SLI config. In games that are out today.

Yeah your link shows its faster, and the one I left shows they are virtually the same. So?

Sure there are some good reasons to buy another GT/Ultra if you have one, and a SLI board. And there are also good reasons not too. Do you really think its worth another $300 (new) for a 6800GT, over a $360 7800GT? Or perhaps they can buy a used one in the forums, for say low $200's, worth it yet? I dont think so. They could sell their old one, get at LEAST $200, and then buy the 7800GT. I just dont see spending more money for a second card with less features (one of your favorite arguments), that will be hotter, use more power, be louder, take up more room, etc...

edit,

Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel
They THINK that the GTX is 2x as fast as the 6800 SLI. I see it posted all the time by misinformed people.

I have not seen anyone say that a GTX is twice as fast as a 6800 SLI setup.

 

[monster64]

If I upgrade, the only reason I will get a GTX and not a second 6800 GT is because I don't know if my 18A power supply will handle a second 6800 GT. Right now with 1 my system uses 13A on the 12V rail. If I get another 6800 GT and it turns out I need a new PSU, that would suck as I don't have enough money for both. Now if I sell the 6800 GT, get $200-250 and get a 7800 GTX for technically the same price as another 6800 GT, then I dont have to worry about a new PSU.

 

[TStep]

Originally posted by: TStep
Actually I'm pretty interested in seeing what the ultimate upgrade choice will be for those who chose SLI.

I'm still waiting for a single card that can beat my SLI 6800GTs at the settings I play at (16x12 4xAA/8xAF). The GTX isn't it. Rumors of the R520 say it will, but possibly fake benches show it won't. Who knows. But if it only beats it by a small amount, I won't be upgrading this gen. I'll need to see a significant increase in the games I play at the settings I play before I'll be trading up.[/quote]
Performance is one aspect, and understand your reasoning. I'm also interested to see if any new feature sets would sway the current sli guys to opt for a single card solution with a little less performance than their current SLI setup. Ie: Transparent AA, Avivo, etc. Nothing too technical, just curiosity on my part.

Edit: missing out on the latest feature set was always one aspect of the "I'm buying one now and when I need extra performance, I'll buy the second" argument that I never fully agreed with.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Creig
Nice textbook threadcrap there, Rollo.
Bravo.

Hey thanks Creig. I guess as a guy who's invested in four SLI rigs I get a little tired of these "SLI is a bad deal" threads.

Or should I say these:

Originally posted by: munky
I also think it's better to have 1 new card instead of 2 old ones, especially for the same money and performance, and possibly newer features. But, apparently some ppl would rather use the SLI upgrade, and I'm curious what percentage of SLI board owners actually use the SLI upgrade option.

threads that are misleading at best.

What guys like Munky don't bother pointing out is that a lot of the situations where the SLI rig is going to excel and really justify it's consideration is the places a person would reallly like some extra gpu power:

Like upcoming games such as FEAR
Last we saw, FEAR was stressing all single cards a LOT. 12X9 4X8X at 40fps on a 7800GTX, 49fps on the 6800U SLI. 9 extra fps can come in handy when your average is that close to 30fps.


Current games like Riddick
70fps on a 6800U SLI will be a little smoother than 46fps at 16X12 4X16X on a 7800GTX, don't you think?


Doom3 Hellhole
59fps on the 6800U SLI vs 46fps on the 7800GTX? What do you think this will mean for Quake 4 and the other D3 engine titles?

Far Cry Pier level
71fps on the 6800U SLI vs 58fps on the 7800GTX at 16X12 4X16X?

UE3 engine games will be interesting as well- the 7800GTX has better shaders, but the 6800SLI will be achieving close to 100% scaling over single card according to Tim Sweeney.

So Creig and Munky- what it comes down to is I don't care if Munkys opinion is that a single 7800GTX is a better choice than upgrading a single 6800GT to 6800GT SLI. If you just state nonsense like

same money and performance

you might mislead people to sharing your own flawed opinions. That annoys me.

You could make a case for the 7800GTX being a better deal as well, it's a great card. However there are situations in which both are clearly the better choice, and to paint a picture as one being the only choice does a disservice to the community.

You guys should stick to writing about things you have some experience with instead of going out of your way to malign SLI.


BTW- I realize these are all 6800U SLI benches, but:
a. 6800GT SLI is pretty close
b. 6800GTs can be OCd 10% to U levels pretty easily
c. I didn't want to run a bunch of benches this morning, have to go shoot clays.

You gonna throw benches, eh? Then lets take a look at these:

http://www.techreport.com/etc/2005q3/hires-gaming/index.x?pg=6
HL2, 20x15, 4x16x.......dual 6800U...........7800gtx
trboat.........................28 fps.....................72 fps
trtown.........................56 fps....................101 fps
look at the other game tests, huge drop in fps at 20x15 using dual ultras - so much for an enthusiast rig, LOL

FarCry HDR, 16x12
single ultra..........dual ultras............single gtx
22 fps.................23 fps...................35 fps
LOL - cant do HDR well either, dual ultras gets a whole 1 fps boost over a single ultra, both outrun by a single newer card

BF2, 16x12, 4x16x
dual ultras = 54 fps
single gtx = 57 fps

CS:S, 16x12, 4x16x
dual ultras = 94 fps
single gtx = 96 fps

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/2005-17gpu_21.html
dual ultras = 23 fps, gtx = 43 fps

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/2005-17gpu_22.html
6800u SLI = 113 avg, 88 min
7800 gtx = 120 avg, 105 min

FlatOut, 16x12, 4x16x
dual ultras = 74 fps, gtx = 81 fps

You can OC the gtx and get even higher numbers, while the ultras dont have much OC headroom. Also, the gtx gets better performance over a single ultra in every situation, but SLI still doesnt work with all the games, so you might or might not get a boost from SLI. And you dont have TRAA/SSAA, but instead you have a loud, power hungry, outdated, primitive rig. And dont forget how badly it does at resolutions above 16x12. So explain to me again, why I should want 2 old cards instead of 1 new card?

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: Rollo
A. You didn't bother to comment on all the scenarios where I show the 6800SLI to be the better choice by far, because all I do is troll.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel
They THINK that the GTX is 2x as fast as the 6800 SLI. I see it posted all the time by misinformed people.

I have not seen anyone say that a GTX is twice as fast as a 6800 SLI setup.

As you can see from my post count, I'm not on here that often and sure can't keep up with the forums very often. However, I have seen many claim this fact. Just did a quick search and came up with these gems:

Originally posted by: danklumpp
Personally, I don't think it is necessary, because by the time you want to upgrade to 2 video cards, there will be another new card out twice as powerful as two in SLI. (*cough, cough* 7800 GTX > 2x 6800GTs)

Originally posted by: love2skate824
3. A new card offers twice the performance of the sli'd sysytem at half the total cost.

And the kicker is that these were posts that were made in the last few days/weeks.... with benchmarks all over the place that prove otherwise. I know for a fact that there was a whole helluva lot more of these types of posts when SLI was first introduced, long before the GTX came out. I would have to sift the archives to find them and I really don't feel like doing that.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Creig
Nice textbook threadcrap there, Rollo.
Bravo.

Hey thanks Creig. I guess as a guy who's invested in four SLI rigs I get a little tired of these "SLI is a bad deal" threads.

Please point out where in:


"I'm interested in how SLI users upgrade their video cards, if you really use the SLI upgrade path or not" that Munky said anything about "SLI is a bad deal".


How about that, I don't see it either.

Originally posted by: Rollo
Anyone with 6800GT SLI is STILL better off than anyone with any ATI crap.

Guess I'm just a little tired of all your ATI is crap threads.

 

[nRollo]

I made my points. There are many useful situations where it's better to have 6800GT SLI, and posting benchmarks where it's not better in other situations doesn't change that.

Keep It Red: I don't reply to petulant trolling high school students. If some are interested in your "contributions" they are welcome to them. I look to more mature participants for social discourse.

Munky:Yours was a trolling thread, yet another of a multitude of "SLI not worth it" or "SLI not good upgrade path?" threads you can find sprinkled through forums like this since SLI was launched. It's interesting how people who own SLI and enjoy it's benefits never seem to start "Boy did I waste my money on SLI" threads, but there's no shortage of whiners too cheap to buy SLI and complain about those who did. :roll:

Creig: I don't care if you're tired of me saying ATI products are "crap", compared to a 6800GT SLI, 6800U SLI, 7800GT, 7800GT SLI, 7800GTX, 7800GTX SLI, every single ATI product on the face of this planet is crap. I won't need to point that out in the absence of trolling threads like this one. Munky didn't come right out and say SLI was crap, he just said that a single card was better and offered the same performance, which I showed isn't always true. :beer:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky
You gonna throw benches, eh? Then lets take a look at these:

http://www.techreport.com/etc/2005q3/hires-gaming/index.x?pg=6
HL2, 20x15, 4x16x.......dual 6800U...........7800gtx
trboat.........................28 fps.....................72 fps
trtown.........................56 fps....................101 fps
look at the other game tests, huge drop in fps at 20x15 using dual ultras - so much for an enthusiast rig, LOL

I think we all know by now the 6800 line cannot do 20X15 as well as 7800GTXs, the question becomes how many people have a 20X15 monitor? nVidia themselves has told us the 7800GTX is optomized for higher res performance for people who have such monitors.
Moreover, why are you "LOL"? Does your card or monitor play at 20X15? Or does it fall way short like your "arguments" do?

FarCry HDR, 16x12
single ultra..........dual ultras............single gtx
22 fps.................23 fps...................35 fps
LOL - cant do HDR well either, dual ultras gets a whole 1 fps boost over a single ultra, both outrun by a single newer card

As usual, you only present the little piece of the picture that suits you. Far Cry's HDR has never worked with SLI. Splinter Cell's HDR does work with SLI. Does the 68 fps for a 6800U SLI on SC HDR seem a little better than 55fps for a 7800GTX?
LOL- Munky you have a great habit of pointing me at benchmarks that disprove your points!

BF2, 16x12, 4x16x
dual ultras = 54 fps
single gtx = 57 fps

Are you honestly saying 54 vs 57fps is a noticeable "victory"? :roll: You go Munky, I imagine both own you.

CS:S, 16x12, 4x16x
dual ultras = 94 fps
single gtx = 96 fps

See above- more pointless posting because dual ultras offer similar performance to one GTX most of the time, I showed there are many instances when the 6800GT SLI would be better.

And you dont have TRAA/SSAA, but instead you have a loud, power hungry, outdated, primitive rig. And dont forget how badly it does at resolutions above 16x12. So explain to me again, why I should want 2 old cards instead of 1 new card?

1. You've never heard a "loud" SLI rig have you Munky? So you really have no clue, do you?

2. You might want a 6800GT SLI rig for much better gaming performance at 16X12 on new GPU hungry games like Doom3, SC:CT, Riddick, Far Cry, and FEAR Munky. Just because you're too cheap (or maybe can't afford) that level of performance, you shouldn't whine about it to those who can?

 

[Munky]

WTF are you trying to prove, tRollo? The results of the survey show that most ppl dont blindly swallow whatever BS Nv feeds em, and then beg for more. You dont think ppl care than dual ultras sux at above 16x12? Or you just wish that nobody knew about it? Apparently it mattered a lot to you about a rumor that Crossfire may not support above 16x12 that you started a thread about it. And now you try to come up with some lame excuse that nobody owns a monitor that can do 20x15. Nobody buys SLI to play at low resolutions.

And what does my video card have to do with this? I can afford any video card available, but I'm not about to buy 2 outdated products.

The people have spoken, and no amount of trolling from you is gonna change the results. The only contributions you made to the thread are:
1. "but.. but.. but.. SLI is better than Ati!" - nVidiot, nobody said anything about Ati :roll:
2. "yeah, but... SLI is better than what you have!" - WTF does the survey have to do with my video card?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky
WTF are you trying to prove, tRollo? The results of the survey show that most ppl dont blindly swallow whatever BS Nv feeds em, and then beg for more.

I'm trying to prove you are wrong and presenting misleading information, which I did. The results of the "survey" prove nothing, only that 30 people agree with you, and 38 people agree with me. How does a handful of people saying they think a 7800GTX is a better upgrade path prove

most ppl dont blindly swallow whatever BS Nv feeds em, and then beg for more.

:roll: All it proves to me is that a handful of people think a 7800GTX is a better upgrade path than another handful of people who would prefer the advantages the second 6800GT would offer? I could agree with both groups, each has it's advantages, and BOTH are nVidia solutions, so it looks to me like most people in your pointless poll are swallowing something nVidia is offering? LOL

You dont think ppl care than dual ultras sux at above 16x12? Or you just wish that nobody knew about it?

I don't know, what percentage of people have monitors that can display resolutions above 16X12? Do you have one Munky? LOL The group of people who have no reason to care about resolutions over 16X12 includes every 20" and smaller LCD on the planet (way over 95% of them) and most CRTs as well. My CRT does 19X14 at 76Hz, and it's a $500+ display. I don't care who knows that nV40s aren't the best solution for resolutions of 20X15. Check out my HL2 benches Munky, 6800GT handles 19X14 just fine So really the only people on the planet who would care about 20X15 are the handful of people that have ULTRA high end $1000 CRTs! LOL- the people who SHOULD be worried are those considering Crossfire and being limited to 16X12 at 60Hz! 16X12 is a very nice resolution to game at, a "sweet spot" of high end gaming. 6800GT SLI handles it VERY well Munky- better than you've ever seen computer gaming probably.

Apparently it mattered a lot to you about a rumor that Crossfire may not support above 16x12 that you started a thread about it. And now you try to come up with some lame excuse that nobody owns a monitor that can do 20x15. Nobody buys SLI to play at low resolutions.

That's too true Munky Wunky! See above- my point is that 6800GT SLI handles 16X10, 16X12, 19X12, and 19X14 at reasonable refresh rates great, and that covers 99% of the monitors on the planet. LOL- the point of the Crossfire thread was that Crossfire is limited to 16X12, and at a eye burning 60Hz!

And what does my video card have to do with this? I can afford any video card available, but I'm not about to buy 2 outdated products.

Really? Are you just too cheap to buy good ones then? It seems to me you're limiting yourself to lowly ATI performance levels IIRC. I can afford good video cards too, but I actually buy them. :roll:

The people have spoken, and no amount of trolling from you is gonna change the results.

Like I said, 30 people saying they prefer the benefits of a 7800GTX over the benefits of a 6800GT SLI doesn't mean the benefits of the 6800GT SLI aren't there, only that more people preferred the benefits offered by the 7800GTX. So what? I agree with both, just not you.

The only contributions you made to the thread are:
1. "but.. but.. but.. SLI is better than Ati!" - nVidiot, nobody said anything about Ati :roll:]

My contributions to this thread are in print for all to see.
1. I've shown that at FEAR, SC:CT, Doom3, Riddick, and Far Cry the 6800GT SLI is MUCH faster at 16X12 4X8X(16X)
2. I've shown that while you pointed out SLI doesn't work in Far Cry HDR, it does in SC:CT HDR
3. I've shown that almost all LCD gamers have no reason to care about your 20X15 benches, and the vast majority of monitor owners don't have anything to worry about with 6800GT SLI either as the because it offers playable frames at 19X14 too. (BTW- I have benched DOOM3 at 19X14 on 6800GT SLI as well and got 55fps- LOL)
In short, I've shown the other side of every poor argument you made and basically p3wned you, as per usual.

2. "yeah, but... SLI is better than what you have!" - WTF does the survey have to do with my video card?

Munkys reason for posting this poll about SLI


LOL

Munky + :beer: = This Poll

 

[nRollo]

Hmmmm Munky is strangely quiet in the face of someone posting facts that directly refute his outlandish claims.


It must be hard to see your supposed "arguments" shown for what they really are.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I'm trying to prove you are wrong and presenting misleading information, which I did. The results of the "survey" prove nothing, only that 30 people agree with you, and 38 people agree with me. How does a handful of people saying they think a 7800GTX is a better upgrade path prove

Exaclty what information am I presenting? My OP states no misleading info, and a few more posts later, I said I didnt think the SLI upgrade was worth the money, which 1) was stated as an opinion, and 2) is supported by the majority of the voters, so it's an entirely valid point. You're the one who started trolling and presenting "information" defending dual 6800's, regardless that the majority of ppl dont agree with you in the poll.

:roll: All it proves to me is that a handful of people think a 7800GTX is a better upgrade path than another handful of people who would prefer the advantages the second 6800GT would offer? I could agree with both groups, each has it's advantages, and BOTH are nVidia solutions, so it looks to me like most people in your pointless poll are swallowing something nVidia is offering? LOL

Except that you forgot about a bunch of people who will wait and see how the gtx stacks up against the r520, and then get whichever performs best. With SLI, however, you pretty much have to get a second Nv card, isnt that what you want? And if you could agree with either group, why are you defending the SLI upgrade so much? Is it because by not going the SLI route, ppl arent forced to buy a Nv card? You're not gonna change my mind, and you're not gonna change the results of the poll, so WTH are you trying to accomplish, besides the usual nVidiot BS?

I don't know, what percentage of people have monitors that can display resolutions above 16X12?

About the same percentage that use SLI. Except for the professionals who use higher resolutions for something besides gaming. That would make SLI users an even smaller percentage.

Do you have one Munky?

Did you read the OP? Or do you have a reading comprehension problem? Show me the part where it says "guess which video card munky uses?" :roll:

LOL The group of people who have no reason to care about resolutions over 16X12 includes every 20" and smaller LCD on the planet (way over 95% of them) and most CRTs as well. My CRT does 19X14 at 76Hz, and it's a $500+ display. I don't care who knows that nV40s aren't the best solution for resolutions of 20X15. Check out my HL2 benches Munky, 6800GT handles 19X14 just fine So really the only people on the planet who would care about 20X15 are the handful of people that have ULTRA high end $1000 CRTs!

47 fps might be fine for you, not for others. Your benches just showed dual 6800gt's getting slaughtered by a single 7800gtx at 19x14. Might get beaten even worse by an r520. You say that's good for SLI users?

people who SHOULD be worried are those considering Crossfire and being limited to 16X12 at 60Hz! 16X12 is a very nice resolution to game at, a "sweet spot" of high end gaming. 6800GT SLI handles it VERY well Munky- better than you've ever seen computer gaming probably.

Why should they be worried - because you have a Crossfire rig and you ran benches confirming that it doesnt work above 16x12? I didnt think so either...

That's too true Munky Wunky! See above- my point is that 6800GT SLI handles 16X10, 16X12, 19X12, and 19X14 at reasonable refresh rates great, and that covers 99% of the monitors on the planet. LOL- the point of the Crossfire thread was that Crossfire is limited to 16X12, and at a eye burning 60Hz!

LOL - your stupid thread was based on a rumor, and it's sole purpose was to mislead people into thinking crossfire is somehow inferior to SLI, without any concrete evidence. Take your own advice, ans stop spreading misleading information

Really? Are you just too cheap to buy good ones then? It seems to me you're limiting yourself to lowly ATI performance levels IIRC. I can afford good video cards too, but I actually buy them. :roll:

I'll give you a hint - in 2 weeks we'll see which good cards are actually worth buying. And then we'll see if your cards are as good as you think

Like I said, 30 people saying they prefer the benefits of a 7800GTX over the benefits of a 6800GT SLI doesn't mean the benefits of the 6800GT SLI aren't there, only that more people preferred the benefits offered by the 7800GTX. So what? I agree with both, just not you.

OP: "I'm interested in how SLI users upgrade their video cards, if you really use the SLI upgrade path or not."

Which part of that sentence dont you agree with? So far all you've done is post benches where dual 6800's beat a single 7800, seems like you desperately want ppl to stick with outdated SLI, instead of getting a new 7800gtx, a x1800, or 2 of the new cards.
Rollo

My contributions to this thread are in print for all to see.
1. I've shown that at FEAR, SC:CT, Doom3, Riddick, and Far Cry the 6800GT SLI is MUCH faster at 16X12 4X8X(16X)

Yeah, and I've showed you examples where they're MUCH slower

2. I've shown that while you pointed out SLI doesn't work in Far Cry HDR, it does in SC:CT HDR

So sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesnt... Great, I'll take two! :roll:

3. I've shown that almost all LCD gamers have no reason to care about your 20X15 benches, and the vast majority of monitor owners don't have anything to worry about with 6800GT SLI either as the because it offers playable frames at 19X14 too. (BTW- I have benched DOOM3 at 19X14 on 6800GT SLI as well and got 55fps- LOL)
In short, I've shown the other side of every poor argument you made and basically p3wned you, as per usual.

Keep telling that to yourself. You've shown that 6-series SLI is slower than a 7800 at above 16x12, but why stop there? MOST gamers dont even play at 16x12, so why should anyone care abour SLI at all? A "primitive" x850xt will beat dual 6800's at lower resolutions, why not tell em that? Just because you dont care about 20x15, doesn't mean nobody else doesn't or shouldn't.

Munkys reason for posting this poll about SLI


LOL

Munky + :beer: = This Poll

I can do better than that:
Rollo

 

[drifter106]

I can do better than that:
Rollo[/quote]

That is very lame...

In regards to the poll...

Considering the person initially purchased the sli capable motherboard, and with the current prices of nvida cards I think it prudent to sell the 6800 and get a 7800. I look at this from a price/performance standpoint. The longer you keep the 6800 the more its going to depreciate. Dumping it now you can realize more $ towards the 7800. For those who strive to stay on the bleedin edge you will have to make sacrifices. I know of a person who had 2 agp 6800 ultra o/c cards (remember Rollo). Instead of building 2 systems (AGP) he sold his second card for $350 and is going to buy a pci-e card for say probably around $350 7800gt (sweet spot). Now that has nothing to do with sli but it shows you how you can manipulate your cards and $ to stay up with technology...

 

[Munky]

What, no responce from tRollo yet? Must be busy posting his dual 6800's on ebay...

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky
You're the one who started trolling and presenting "information" defending dual 6800's, regardless that the majority of ppl dont agree with you in the poll.

SLI is not a "majority" solution, it's an enthusiast solution. I don't need to "defend" 6800GT SLI, the numbers speak for themselves. There are clearly reasons to go either direction, 32 people preferring one path and 9 people preferring another is hardly proof of some "one true path" situation you seem to think exists.

Except that you forgot about a bunch of people who will wait and see how the gtx stacks up against the r520, and then get whichever performs best.

What doe this have to do with R520s? Answer: Nothing, stay on topic Munky. Besides which the sixteen pipe late to the party solution will have the Crossfire/ATI motherboard stigma working against it on the multi card front. Too bad, so sad.

With SLI, however, you pretty much have to get a second Nv card, isnt that what you want? And if you could agree with either group, why are you defending the SLI upgrade so much?

I honestly don't care whether people buy a 7800GTX or a second 6800GT SLI. Just want them to have accurate info to do so.

Is it because by not going the SLI route, ppl arent forced to buy a Nv card? You're not gonna change my mind, and you're not gonna change the results of the poll, so WTH are you trying to accomplish, besides the usual nVidiot BS?

I'm trying to illustrate that you and 32 other people can be wrong and let the facts speak for themselves for people considering both solutions.

I don't know, what percentage of people have monitors that can display resolutions above 16X12?

About the same percentage that use SLI. Except for the professionals who use higher resolutions for something besides gaming. That would make SLI users an even smaller percentage.
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Like I said, by showing 6800GT SLI is fine up to 19X14, only the people with ultra high end CRTs need to be concerned about 20X15.

Do you have one Munky?

Did you read the OP? Or do you have a reading comprehension problem? Show me the part where it says "guess which video card munky uses?" :roll:

Why the concern over 6800GT resolutions then Munky? If you don't hav e a display capable of it, and I've shown 6800GTs good up to 19X14, and you seem to have no stats to people with monitors that will display 20X15? LOL- you'd probably be hard pressed to find a monitor that does 20X15, deluded Munky.

47 fps might be fine for you, not for others. Your benches just showed dual 6800gt's getting slaughtered by a single 7800gtx at 19x14. Might get beaten even worse by an r520. You say that's good for SLI users?

What does the vaporware R520 have to do with this Munky????? Beyond that, while the 6800GTs may not be as proficient at 19X14, again, that's just something the buyer has to consider- his monitor and his needs. Doesn't mean the 6800GTs aren't worthwhile.

Why should they be worried - because you have a Crossfire rig and you ran benches confirming that it doesnt work above 16x12? I didnt think so either...

The only info we have so far about Crossfire confirms this, some of it from the ATI fansite no less!

LOL - your stupid thread was based on a rumor, and it's sole purpose was to mislead people into thinking crossfire is somehow inferior to SLI, without any concrete evidence. Take your own advice, ans stop spreading misleading information

ATI fansite started the rumor, nVidia posted pictures of the limiting hardware in question, and another site confirmed it. Link to info that supports your view? Didn't think so.

Really? Are you just too cheap to buy good ones then? It seems to me you're limiting yourself to lowly ATI performance levels IIRC. I can afford good video cards too, but I actually buy them. :roll:

I'll give you a hint - in 2 weeks we'll see which good cards are actually worth buying. And then we'll see if your cards are as good as you think

Oooh vapor threat! Won't be able to buy your god at it's paper launch though will you? LOL

Like I said, 30 people saying they prefer the benefits of a 7800GTX over the benefits of a 6800GT SLI doesn't mean the benefits of the 6800GT SLI aren't there, only that more people preferred the benefits offered by the 7800GTX. So what? I agree with both, just not you.

OP: "I'm interested in how SLI users upgrade their video cards, if you really use the SLI upgrade path or not."

Which part of that sentence dont you agree with? So far all you've done is post benches where dual 6800's beat a single 7800, seems like you desperately want ppl to stick with outdated SLI, instead of getting a new 7800gtx, a x1800, or 2 of the new cards.
Rollo

Pfft. Like I've stated, I don't care which someone buys of these two options, I don't think you can go wrong with either.

My contributions to this thread are in print for all to see.
1. I've shown that at FEAR, SC:CT, Doom3, Riddick, and Far Cry the 6800GT SLI is MUCH faster at 16X12 4X8X(16X)

Yeah, and I've showed you examples where they're MUCH slower

Really? Which are those again? The 20X15 about three people in the world care about? Or the Far Cry HDR? LOL What a joke. How many people will you convince with that? Show us soem 16X12 where there's a difference?

2. I've shown that while you pointed out SLI doesn't work in Far Cry HDR, it does in SC:CT HDR

So sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesnt... Great, I'll take two! :roll:

Actually now that there is SLI AA, SLI offers benefits on every game. Nice try though!

Keep telling that to yourself. You've shown that 6-series SLI is slower than a 7800 at above 16x12, but why stop there? MOST gamers dont even play at 16x12, so why should anyone care abour SLI at all? A "primitive" x850xt will beat dual 6800's at lower resolutions, why not tell em that? Just because you dont care about 20x15, doesn't mean nobody else doesn't or shouldn't.

Links to monitors that support 20X15? LOL

I can do better than that:
Rollo

LOL I like the Simpsons too- but that does little to further your agenda.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky
What, no responce from tRollo yet? Must be busy posting his dual 6800's on ebay...

No way Munky- it's pretty easy to put the smack down on you!

EBAY is probably the only place you'll be able to buy your X1800XT Phantom Edition for a while though- hope you have deep pockets for those sixteen pipes!

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: munky
I'm interested in how SLI users upgrade their video cards, if you really use the SLI upgrade path or not.

Hey Munky, I'm yo Daddy!

Well, since I don't even OWN an SLI system at present it's academic for me, but if I was going to build one it would seem to make sense to use the upgrade path corresponding to my first card. The price delta is usually too high out of the gate to just swap things out. I do note the 6800 Ultras are still pretty f'ing expensive (I feel $400 is too much to spend) but if you have one on an SLI-capable mobo and you want a fast upgrade path that benefits the things you do then why the heck not? I doubt you could get $250 for a used Ultra now. Not slamming the GTX in any way. Based on all the things I've seen a single GTX matches two Ultras in most benchmarks. It does provide value for those who want it.

However, I'm not a gamer. I suspect my AGP Ultra has plenty of life left in it for at least a year for the stuff I do (even if I get a measly 5.6K+ in 3DMark05). I'll upgrade to dual-core before getting SLI. Then I'll probably get two cards. But I still don't know how that would benefit me in Photoshop, Illustrator, FrameMaker, etc....

Just my two kopeks.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rollo
32 people preferring one path and 9 people preferring another is hardly proof of some "one true path" situation you seem to think exists.

You got a link to me claiming some "one true path"?

What doe this have to do with R520s? Answer: Nothing, stay on topic Munky.

What does this have to do with which card I use? Answer: Nothing, take your own advice.

I honestly don't care whether people buy a 7800GTX or a second 6800GT SLI

If you dont care, then why are you in this thread?

I'm trying to illustrate that you and 32 other people can be wrong

Me and 32 other ppl can decide for ourselves what's a right/wrong card to buy, we dont need you posting 1-sided benches when nobody asked you for em, and we can easily find the benches ourselves

by showing 6800GT SLI is fine up to 19X14

If by "fine" you mean slower than a single 7800gtx, then yeah, you sure did.

Do you have one Munky?

Did you read the OP? Or do you have a reading comprehension problem? Show me the part where it says "guess which video card munky uses?" :roll:

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still didnt answer the question...

while the 6800GTs may not be as proficient at 19X14, again, that's just something the buyer has to consider- his monitor and his needs. Doesn't mean the 6800GTs aren't worthwhile.

Doesnt mean they are worthwhile, either.

The only info we have so far about Crossfire confirms this, some of it from the ATI fansite no less!

The only info we have so far about Crossfire confirms nothing, as it has not been officialy launched yet, regardles which fan site it comes from.

ATI fansite started the rumor, nVidia posted pictures of the limiting hardware in question, and another site confirmed it. Link to info that supports your view? Didn't think so.

You see me spreading rumors as facts? Which of my views needs a link to support it?

Oooh vapor threat! Won't be able to buy your god at it's paper launch though will you? LOL

Link to info that supports your view?

Pfft. Like I've stated, I don't care which someone buys of these two options, I don't think you can go wrong with either.

Then why didnt you say so at first? Woulda saved you a lot of useless typing...

Really? Which are those again? The 20X15 about three people in the world care about? Or the Far Cry HDR? LOL What a joke.

How about those 19x14 you showed us, where dual 6-series were also slower?

Actually now that there is SLI AA, SLI offers benefits on every game. Nice try though!

Does SLI AA benefit those games that use HDR?

Links to monitors that support 20X15? LOL

Why, cause you dont believe they exist? LOL

Rollo

LOL I like the Simpsons too- but that does little to further your agenda.

Links to my agenda? Anyway, you do remind me of the comic book guy.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Dadofamunky

Originally posted by: munky
I'm interested in how SLI users upgrade their video cards, if you really use the SLI upgrade path or not.

Hey Munky, I'm yo Daddy!

LOL. Even joined the forum before me

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Dadofamunky

Originally posted by: munky
I'm interested in how SLI users upgrade their video cards, if you really use the SLI upgrade path or not.

Hey Munky, I'm yo Daddy!

LOL. Even joined the forum before me

Yeah, but I'm a lot slower in posting. How do you find the time?