Poll - Should we leave Iraq?

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
10,000 dead
50,000 wounded
200,000 future PTSD patients
no weapons found
no link to terrorism
150,000 dead Iraqi's
Iraq left in complete chaos { insurgents, crime, rape, kidnapping }
Osma still not caught
Gas prices sky rocketing
$8 Trillion National Debt
middle class shrinking
jobs being outsourced

I'm beginning to miss Bill Clinton....

Heh some people

Anyways if we left it would send a bad message. First it would enrage the Islamic world that we let the people of Iraq to flounder twice in the past 15 years. Second it would let the terrorists know if they persist enough they can win anything.

This means you can expect more political pressure in the EU. If they dont bend bombs explode in the market.

I just don't think you can fight terrorism with a conventional war machine. It will break us and we will eventually end up letting Iraq flap in the wind anyway. Instead of blindly believing GWB (like we did with WMD's) we need to let the Iraqi's know we are going to be leaving.... and the sooner the better.

 

[frankie38]

no. we have afghansitan, iraq. next we take out iran and sauid arabia. winner gets all the marbles.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Todd33

Second it would let the terrorists know if they persist enough they can win anything.

So if the terrorist stay forever, we have to? What a lame macho argument. I suppose the North Vietnamese are going around the world attacking the US, according to your logic.

What was our mission? Get rid of the WMDs? Check (that was easy), remove Saddam, check. Nation building? Bush is against that, according to his 2000 debate, so lets roll folks. Let the 100,000,000 (what's the current fabricated number?) trained Iraqis handle it.

Did I say that? Leaving now means a collapse of the Iraq govt.
When the Iraqi's are self sufficient then we can leave. Anything after that point is on the Iraqi's hands.

We have a what, 70 country coalition? The UN, NATO, Iraqi army, etc. Why do we need 140,000 Amreicans, it's a handful of terrorist in their last throes? I thought things were going well?

Of course if we didn't do this alone for the sake of handing out rebuilding money in return for political favors, we wouldn't be in this alone with troops being drafted for the third tour.

I thought you liberals didnt believe everything Bush said? God knows not many conservatives bought the foolish line of "in the last throes".

Anyways back to something of substance. NATO sent in some munitions and a few trainers. The UN is as usuall completely helpless and as lost as a 3 year old child.

We are there and created the situation. The only moral thing to do is to finish the job to the point where Iraq can sustain itself.

This may be the first time I've ever agreed with GenX. We started this war, and it would be a terrible disservice to the Iraqis if we were just to pull out now. We have to find our way through this mess, for their sake and ours. And in spite of my misgivings about our leadership and their motives, it's my sincere hope that the Iraqis will one day be better off for us having done this.

 

[13Gigatons]

Originally posted by: frankie38
no. we have afghansitan, iraq. next we take out iran and sauid arabia. winner gets all the marbles.

Yes but what the hell are we winning ?

I guess the right to pay $3 at the gas pump 🙂

 

[yllus]

Big enough sig there 13Gigatons? It's bigger than your post. 😛

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Just in case anyone missed this part:

From 1992 to 1997, KBR held the first LOGCAP contract awarded by the Army, but when it was time to renew the contract, the company lost in the competitive bidding process to DynCorp after the General Accounting Office reported in February 1997 that KBR had overrun its estimated costs in the Balkans by 32 percent (some of which was attributed to an increase in the Army's demands).

What's your point chicken? LOGCAP was created by Cheney, they got their contract in 1992 under Bush/Cheney, they kept it until 1997 until the Army fired them for overcharging for a generally louzy job, IIRC, and voila! -- in 2001 after Bush/Cheney are successful in overthrowing the U.S. government -- KBR, Halliburton, and LOGCAP are on the road again.

What a coincidence. Only fools would defend these criminals.

Welcome to America, 2005.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: yllus
Big enough sig there 13Gigatons? It's bigger than your post. 😛

Yeah I think I just received my daily allowance of sig right there

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Just in case anyone missed this part:

From 1992 to 1997, KBR held the first LOGCAP contract awarded by the Army, but when it was time to renew the contract, the company lost in the competitive bidding process to DynCorp after the General Accounting Office reported in February 1997 that KBR had overrun its estimated costs in the Balkans by 32 percent (some of which was attributed to an increase in the Army's demands).

What's your point chicken? LOGCAP was created by Cheney, they got their contract in 1992 under Bush/Cheney, they kept it until 1997 until the Army fired them for overcharging for a generally louzy job, IIRC, and voila! -- in 2001 after Bush/Cheney are successful in overthrowing the U.S. government -- KBR, Halliburton, and LOGCAP are on the road again.

What a coincidence. Only fools would defend these criminals.

Welcome to America, 2005.

Th Arny didn't "fire" them, BB. That's my point. The cost overruns were questioned and the contract rebid.

Also, can you prove it was actually and only "overcharging" and not cost overruns due to the demands of the Army?

 

[frankie38]

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
Yes but what the hell are we winning ?
I guess the right to pay $3 at the gas pump 🙂

Calm yourself. the reality is that the US is fighting, rebuilding, educating and slowly exerting influence over the middle east. these problems have been created over a lifetime of human history. it will take more than a few months to make things right. the usa has to be in this for the long haul.

btw. $3 / gal of gas is not that bad. it could be a lot worse. lets stop building and driving cars/suvs that get low gas mileage. i am sure that will help.

oh yeah.

10,000 dead

military people tend to get killed in armed combat. bottomline war is hell and thats the job.

50,000 wounded.

at least they are not dead. good medical tech.

200,000 future PTSD patients

its a burden we will have to pay.

no weapons found

alright, they lied.

no link to terrorism

well. no link that it wasnt terrorism.

150,000 dead Iraqi's

brave patriots that are paying the ultimate price for freedom. god bless them.

1000's torture at Abu Ghraib

ok. bad military ntelligence and judgement.

Iraq left in complete chaos { insurgents, crime, rape, kidnapping }

now lets stop. they have issues. its not anarchy.

Osma still not caught

ok. this hurts. just keep loking.

Gas price = $3 a gallon

it sucks. but its not that bad. i think milk costs about the same. infation adjusted its actually priced ok.

$8 Trillion National Debt

overrated problem. we owe $. we print $ no problem.

shrinking middle class

no way. middle class growing. where is your proof.

jobs being outsourced

what does this have to do with the middle east?

 

[BoberFett]

I'd like it if we could leave immediately. I wish we'd never gone in at all. But now that we're there we have to finish what we started. We should however start planning our exit, and working with the Iraqis to that end.

 

[dmcowen674]

Well, we never had any business going into Iraq to begin with.

Saddam didn't have any WMD.

It was up to the world to find the truth, the U.S. is certainly not capable of finding out the truth. Some superpower we are :roll:

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well, we never had any business going into Iraq to begin with.

Saddam didn't have any WMD.

It was up to the world to find the truth, the U.S. is certainly not capable of finding out the truth. Some superpower we are :roll:

Nice dodge. How about answering the question, moron.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

you guys who want to leave are a bunch of hippie liberals. go cry to mama

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
you guys who want to leave are a bunch of hippie liberals. go cry to mama

And I suppose you're a he-man conservative on his way to Iraq?

 

[imported_ArtVandalay]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well, we never had any business going into Iraq to begin with.

Saddam didn't have any WMD.

It was up to the world to find the truth, the U.S. is certainly not capable of finding out the truth. Some superpower we are :roll:

Nice dodge. How about answering the question, moron.

Oooh, namecalling, you sure 'pwnt' him :roll:

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
you guys who want to leave are a bunch of hippie liberals. go cry to mama

And I suppose you're a he-man conservative on his way to Iraq?

No, real men just want people to die, apparently.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
you guys who want to leave are a bunch of hippie liberals. go cry to mama

So says the computer geek hiding behind a keyboard, lol.

 

[tommywishbone]

I voted for "Stay." Sometimes the school yard bully really needs to be taught a lesson. The Russians learned it in Afganistan, The French learned it in Vietnam, I would have thought we learned it in Vietnam, the Japanese certainly learned the lesson when they were almost blown & burned into extinction during WWII. And now the mightiest war machine the world has ever known is getting an old-school-back-alley-beat-down, courtesy of an ever growing pack of junkyard dogs.

Maybe if we spend $1 trillion and lose 10,000 soldiers, in twenty years we'll stop and think before commiting to such madness again. I hope.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: ArtVandalay

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well, we never had any business going into Iraq to begin with.

Saddam didn't have any WMD.

It was up to the world to find the truth, the U.S. is certainly not capable of finding out the truth. Some superpower we are :roll:

Nice dodge. How about answering the question, moron.

Oooh, namecalling, you sure 'pwnt' him :roll:

You must be new. duhmcowen does nothing but dodge questions. The fool and his paranoid delusions should be banned from this forum.

 

[Engineer]

Yes. Should never have been.

 

[Pabster]

Absolutely not.

 

[Thug Esquire]

I say, "giiiiit out."

 

[imported_ArtVandalay]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: ArtVandalay

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well, we never had any business going into Iraq to begin with.

Saddam didn't have any WMD.

It was up to the world to find the truth, the U.S. is certainly not capable of finding out the truth. Some superpower we are :roll:

Nice dodge. How about answering the question, moron.

Oooh, namecalling, you sure 'pwnt' him :roll:

You must be new. duhmcowen does nothing but dodge questions. The fool and his paranoid delusions should be banned from this forum.

Regardless, you only hurt your own credibility by calling names.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: ArtVandalay

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: ArtVandalay

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well, we never had any business going into Iraq to begin with.

Saddam didn't have any WMD.

It was up to the world to find the truth, the U.S. is certainly not capable of finding out the truth. Some superpower we are :roll:

Nice dodge. How about answering the question, moron.

Oooh, namecalling, you sure 'pwnt' him :roll:

You must be new. duhmcowen does nothing but dodge questions. The fool and his paranoid delusions should be banned from this forum.

Regardless, you only hurt your own credibility by calling names.

True, because only assholes call people names.

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
lol@people saying we should leave right now

y

 

[Moonbeam]

We should declare a massive defeat, send Bush and the Neocons to the Hague for war crimes and crawl home mouthing every known apology. We should then fund the UN to fix the mess. The people who got us into the war slimed our great nation taking advantage of us chimps natural tendency to break off branches and scream at the smell of a threat, that warning hoo hoo hoo in the forest.