Poll:Should He get death or life in prison?

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Rogue

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These Islamic radicals set themselves up not to fail though. Right now is the worst it's gonna get for him being shown on video, mentally broken. After this, it's all good for him. Here's my analysis:

a) Iraqi courts try him and deem him guilty. He is sentenced to public execution for all Iraqis to see. He's executed and sent to Allah as a martyr tried and convicted by a puppet government of the US. He now becomes the reason that the people of Iraq turn against the government and create more havoc that lasts a decade or more. He's seen as a hero by most in this scenario no matter what.

b) He's sentenced to life in prison. He takes his own life in the name of Allah because killing yourself in defiance of US authority is "honorable". He lives ever after as a hero in Islamic radical heaven with 72 ugly virgins that are beautiful to him because he's Saddam.

c) He's tried in international court and sentenced to life in prison. He resides there, a symbol of strength because every vile terroristic act committed is done in his name to "show the US" how bad we are. He dies an "honorable" death alone and cold in a prison and ships off to 72 ugly virgins that are beautiful to him because he's Saddam.

I can go on and on and there's no good way to "dispose" of him. No matter what, some fundamentalist, pea brained Islamic asswipe is gonna chock him up to be some type of fvcking hero. Hell, short of giving him a mansion in the US and showing him rollin' on dubs, drinkin' Cristal, pimpin' the hoes and eating a "pressed pork meat product" McRib at McDonalds on Crenshaw, he's gonna be a fvcking hero to the morons. I'm telling you, that's the problem here. No matter what these guys do, a fairly large grouping of people in the Middle East look up to a$$holes like him. Until that changes, we're no better off capturing him or Osama, or ending terrorism in the Middle East and abroad.
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: X-Man
Originally posted by: digitalsm
He will be tried by the ICC for war crimes. He will spend life in prison at the Hague.

Wasn't it said that Saddam would be tried by the Iraqi government?

Thats what was said by the US. However the world at large will have the final say. Saddam will be tried JUST like all other war criminals by the ICC. Saddam shouldnt get treated any differently than any other war criminal.

I thought the US didn't believe in the ICC?

 

MedicBob

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Originally posted by: kalster
watever it is
i hope its a fair and complete trial

and maybe taken care of completely by Iraqi judicial system

Bingo. he did it to them, they decide what to do to him.
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
He will be tried by the ICC for war crimes. He will spend life in prison at the Hague.
You're absolutely right. That's exactly what will happen. No question. It doesn't matter what I think SHOULD be done, this is what WILL be done.
 

SynthesisI

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
He will be tried by the ICC for war crimes. He will spend life in prison at the Hague.

Forget The Hague- they don't do capital punishment there like he deserves. He belongs in Iraq or Coalition custody. Not the U.N.
 

jpeyton

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Let's make a martyr out of him. We could use more insurgency in Iraq.
 

B00ne

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
He will be tried by the ICC for war crimes. He will spend life in prison at the Hague.

As far as I know, the ICC only acts when the home country is reluctant to do so.

 

Jmman

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The ICC? The ICC will never hear this case.....


"The ICC, for example, would be of little help. The court took effect on July 1, 2002, and is empowered to hear cases involving only crimes committed after that date. Consequently, it could hear none of the evidence against Saddam described in Power?s book and cited by the Bush administration as among the rationales for attacking Iraq. Also, as one of the seven countries that didn?t sign the Rome Treaty, Iraq is most likely beyond the ICC?s jurisdiction. Under ICC rules, non-signatory countries must agree to accept the court?s jurisdiction.

 

boran

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Originally posted by: Jmman
The ICC? The ICC will never hear this case.....


"The ICC, for example, would be of little help. The court took effect on July 1, 2002, and is empowered to hear cases involving only crimes committed after that date. Consequently, it could hear none of the evidence against Saddam described in Power?s book and cited by the Bush administration as among the rationales for attacking Iraq. Also, as one of the seven countries that didn?t sign the Rome Treaty, Iraq is most likely beyond the ICC?s jurisdiction. Under ICC rules, non-signatory countries must agree to accept the court?s jurisdiction.


dont forget that the US also didnt sign that treaty, so going to the ICC would be rather, eh hypocite.
 

Pers

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I think it would be more appropriate for Saddam to be tried by the Iraqi people. He is responsible for the suffering in that nation and since they are more qualified to understand what he truly did having been through it all, he should be tried by them. It would also be a good test of the new Iraqi government and judicial system once it is formed. As far as the ICC, I doubt he would be tried there. Didn't we refuse to recognise the ICC a while back?


and then what? we all hold hands and sing kumbaya?

all of this talk about "the iraqi people should decide" pisses me off. You people never fail to surprise me at how mothafvckin naive you are! How exactly would thye get the Iraqi people to decide?? i swear...when i heard the whole "we're spreading democracy to iraq" mantra - i thought people weren't going to be stupid about it. But it seems that they are. I mean, if we couldn't fvckin run proper PRESIDENTIAL elections in our own country, how the hell are we gonna implement it in IRAQ?!

I had originally thought that americans all realized that spreading democracy to Iraq was about as possible as getting bin laden to convert to calvinism. but nope. instead, they're talking about "leaving it up to the iraqis to decide what we shall do with their ex-dictator" how fvckin awesome of you people...sincerley. if we're reallly encouraging this democratic growth in the mideast... how about we leave it up to their governments to decide what companies should get contracts - instead of just handing them over to Haliburton and such. NOPE. instead we let the iraqis decide insignificant bullsh!t like whether saddam gets to live or die. As if they vote NO to death, they'd ever find out if we did kill him. Either way...you guys can have this overwhelming gushy feeling inside your hearts regarding the aid you provided the iraqi people. but the majority will still hate and despise you. And not because they hate your freedom...it's because you invaded their country.


 

Pers

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: kage69
I think an Iraqi tribunal should give him a choice: a dunk in the acid pool, or say hello to Mr. Plastic Shredder. A bullet in the back of the head is too good for that SOB.

Seconded. But only after a fair and complete trial for some sense of closure. This execution should be performed in the style you mention as he deserves to die the way many of his (and uday/qusay's) victims did. It should be taped and broadcasted to show how saddam finally got a taste of his own medicine.




what the fvck is the point of a "fair trial" if the result has already been determined? are you dumb or are you purposely trying to piss me offf?
 

Fencer128

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Just so long as he's held until the time where an independant Iraqi government can try him - I don't care.

Cheers,

Andy
 

Regs

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Let's make a martyr out of him. We could use more insurgency in Iraq.

He has enough enemies. His own guards in the rat hole he spent days in didn't even fight for him.
 

kage69

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Pers, quit being such an ass. Is a trial suddenly not fair if the accused is blatantly guilty? Are you being dumb or purposefully trying to piss us off?

I don't think we have to worry about him ended up in The Hague forever. Could he still be considered a martyr if it's his own people that sentence him to death and not the US? His sons I could see, as they went down actually fighting our guys.
 

Bitek

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He should get whatever the Iraqi people want for him.


However, if it were up to me, I would vote for locking him up in solitary confinement, as death would be too easy for him. I say lock him up without any visitors, but just have TV monitors in his cell broadcasting the progress and prosperity of the Iraqi after his removal, and constant replays of his staues being destroyed and people throwing shoes at his picture (whatever that's all about. :p)

That way he can suffer humiliation for the next 20 yrs, knowing full well his legacy as the most despised man in Iraq's long history. May they piss on his son's graves.

 

kandarp

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The whole point of high profile humanitarian cases like this (also Milosevic) is not somehow give him a chance for acquital but to dispell any doubt about what he did (also ordered) and remove any sense of impunity that there may have been. It makes it public, codied and legitimate that this person committed such acts beyond a reasonable doubt (that is the standard that they use) instead of leaving it up to public opinion and popular belief that the person committed those acts.
 

Moonbeam

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Poor Saddam is one of our sickest children. Something so terrible happened to him as a child that it made him even more a monster than normal. He crossed that magic line between feeling and acting out in order to stay close to his trauma. All his life in this upside down way he has been trying to remember. He has longed and longed for the life he once had and struggled to remember by making others feel what he felt. He didn't know he had to feel it himself. This is how we are. Upside down to reality. We want others to feel the pain we feel ourselves. And some act out those feelings to bring that about. Only by unconsciously bringing destruction on ourselves in the form of warranted retribution, can the evil make themselves suffer. Now he has backed into his suffering, but he still won't remember. Poor SadMan Hussein, how much like us he is. I would hate him, but I would only be hating that part of myself that's like him. Saddam crucified the world, but he will not rise through the Cross. Poor Saddam is one of our sickest children.
 

kage69

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For one who likes to talk so much, you never seem to say much. Other than demonstrate your need to appear wise and/or inebriated that is...
Please, put down the bong, put away the shrooms, and just converse normally with the rest of us. Your pithy philospher routine grows tiresome I'm afraid.




 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: kage69
For one who likes to talk so much, you never seem to say much. Other than demonstrate your need to appear wise and/or inebriated that is...
Please, put down the bong, put away the shrooms, and just converse normally with the rest of us. Your pithy philospher routine grows tiresome I'm afraid.

See line two of my sig. I get this three times a week. :D
 

kage69

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The problem is moon, it's not subtle, I'm not unsuspecting, and it is (for the most part) complete gibberish.



See line two of my sig. I get this three times a week.

See? Was that so hard to do? No deep allusions, no metaphors, no shaky dichotomies...nary a troll-esque quality to be seen. I knew you had it in ya. Proud of you man. :)
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: kage69
The problem is moon, it's not subtle, I'm not unsuspecting, and it is (for the most part) complete gibberish.



See line two of my sig. I get this three times a week.

See? Was that so hard to do? No deep allusions, no metaphors, no shaky dichotomies...nary a troll-esque quality to be seen. I knew you had it in ya. Proud of you man. :)

Now read this:

""For one who likes to talk so much, you never seem to say much."
 

kage69

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You're right moon, a plain English post devoid of the usual babble. You get a cookie.

Your turn:

and it is (for the most part) complete gibberish


for the most part...