Poll: Should Annan remain leader of the UN?

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I don't care because the UN has proven itself to be a useless governing body.

So you're saying the US failed when it created the UN?

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I don't care because the UN has proven itself to be a useless governing body.

So you're saying the US failed when it created the UN?

No, I think he said the UN has proven to be a useless governing body. I don't see any reference to it's creation or who led the way, only an opinion of it's recent governing ability.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I don't care because the UN has proven itself to be a useless governing body.

So you're saying the US failed when it created the UN?

No, I think he said the UN has proven to be a useless governing body. I don't see any reference to it's creation or who led the way, only an opinion of it's recent governing ability.

Exactly. Look at the Iraq war. What did the UN do to prevent it or to punish the US after it occured? Nothing.

 

[Alistar7]

Look at Iraq BEFORE the recent war, what did they do to make Saddam comply, what did they do with Food For Oil program that was supposed to go towards the Humanitarian crisis that had developed under THEIR watch? They protected Saddam and kept stuffing their pockets while 10,000+ innocent Iraqis died every month for 10+ years.

 

[Infohawk]

Since the US created the UN and the UN doesn't work, it sounds like you guys think the US has failed. Have a little more faith in your country guys.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
The Arizona senator declined to follow calls for Annan's resignation from US Senator Norm Coleman, who is leading a congressional probe and who says he has evidence that Benon Sevan, the UN official who ran the now-defunct programme, had received payoffs from Saddam's regime.


There has been no indication that Annan profited, but the UN chief admitted there was a "perception problem" after it emerged his son Kojo kept receiving payments until February from a Swiss firm working under the program.


But McCain said corruption in the oil-for-food scheme "maybe justifies our action in Iraq (news - web sites) ... because clearly the sanctions and the framework of the sanctions were completely eroded."

Whoa bucko! If they want to get rid of Anan for a "perception" then get rid of Bush, because regardless of the election, there are millions who think he messed up with Iraq.

So you do know that the US was directly involved on who got the contracts, and what was happening right? You also realize that the US knew what was going on right?

Remember that "they" are also us, and when it suits us we look the other way. Anan should have known what was going on, but he isn't alone.

 

[phillyTIM]

It is only fitting that the UN be allowed grace points for this, as the Bush Regime receives.

Bush calling the UN underhanded and corrupt is like the pot calling the kettle black.

They are fitting bedfellows.

 

[Alistar7]

I am aware of the US's knowledge of certain incidents which violated the UN program, as was the UN and most Security Council members. Those cases that were widely known within the UN were done with the agreement by most that those were not material breaches, and the end result was not beneficial to the regime. The MAJORITY of this is pure corruption though and was under the radar, big difference IMO.

Winston they don't want to get rid of Anan over a "perception", that was in reference to his son BTW. The buck stops on his desk, and this happened on his watch.

 

[Alistar7]

phillyTIM:

"But McCain said corruption in the oil-for-food scheme "maybe justifies our action in Iraq (news - web sites) ... because clearly the sanctions and the framework of the sanctions were completely eroded."


Sound familiar, these were the very reasons I stated before the war that IMO were the real reasons for the "moral objections" of the UN Security Council. They get no free pass, they stuffed their pockets for 10+ years and allowed Saddam to continue oppress his people while defying the international community.

 

[Grunt03]

NO, what has he or even the UN done?

Look at the failures in the past...Desert Storm, Somalia and now Iraq.....

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Look at Iraq BEFORE the recent war, what did they do to make Saddam comply, what did they do with Food For Oil program that was supposed to go towards the Humanitarian crisis that had developed under THEIR watch? They protected Saddam and kept stuffing their pockets while 10,000+ innocent Iraqis died every month for 10+ years.

Considering that we put that plan into place....

 

[glenn1]

As someone who would just as soon see the UN dismantled, I'm happy to see him stay so he can preside over its slide into oblivion. This piece sums up my feelings nicely...

Annan's one virtue: He weakens the U.N.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Look at Iraq BEFORE the recent war, what did they do to make Saddam comply, what did they do with Food For Oil program that was supposed to go towards the Humanitarian crisis that had developed under THEIR watch? They protected Saddam and kept stuffing their pockets while 10,000+ innocent Iraqis died every month for 10+ years.

Considering that we put that plan into place....

We put that plan in place? LMAO, no we didnt istitute a PLAN for corruption,smuggling, violations of sanction in regards to weapons or humanitarian aid being diverted. The plan we supported wasperverted by those in charge of administering it and those who abused it, Saddam and the supporters he bought off at the UN.....

 

[burnedout]

Interestingly, the Democratic Leadership Council is calling for Kofi Annan's resignation.

[Hat tip: The Sage of Knoxville]

But mismanagement, corruption, and manipulation of the program by Saddam Hussein allowed his regime to amass at least $21 billion outside of the United Nations' control, with the great bulk of that sum -- $17.3 billion -- pilfered between 1997 and 2003 on the secretary general's watch. In effect, the United Nations colluded in Saddam's successful evasion of U.N. sanctions. The most damning charge so far -- that a former chief of the oil-for-food program, Benon Sevan, accepted bribes from Saddam's regime -- was made in October by former U.N. weapons inspector Charles A. Duelfer, who led a Senate investigation into the scandal. The program is now the subject of at least four congressional investigations, three U.S. federal investigations and the U.N.-appointed commission of inquiry led by former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker. . . .

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: burnedout
Interestingly, the Democratic Leadership Council is calling for Kofi Annan's resignation.

[Hat tip: The Sage of Knoxville]

But mismanagement, corruption, and manipulation of the program by Saddam Hussein allowed his regime to amass at least $21 billion outside of the United Nations' control, with the great bulk of that sum -- $17.3 billion -- pilfered between 1997 and 2003 on the secretary general's watch. In effect, the United Nations colluded in Saddam's successful evasion of U.N. sanctions. The most damning charge so far -- that a former chief of the oil-for-food program, Benon Sevan, accepted bribes from Saddam's regime -- was made in October by former U.N. weapons inspector Charles A. Duelfer, who led a Senate investigation into the scandal. The program is now the subject of at least four congressional investigations, three U.S. federal investigations and the U.N.-appointed commission of inquiry led by former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker. . . .

:Q

The DLC? Oh wait...that makes sense - who is the DLC? Clinton. Hmmm...motives?

Interesting...

CsG

 

[piasabird]

Originally posted by: RZaakir
I still don't see any evidence that he did anything wrong or had any knowledge of wrongdoing. If this evidence doesn't come up and he takes appropriate steps to address and the situation - which he seems to be doing - I say no.

EDIT: I mean Yes.

He was in charge of the UN and millions of dollars in funds intended to feed people in Iraq was not even spent on food. Instead shipments of oil were sold and the buyer got kickbacks from Sadam. Then Sadam hid this money and used it to buy weapons under the nose and with the knowledge of Mr Annan. His own son got payoffs in this deal. A lot of money went to France who voted against military action so they could prolong the oil for food program because of the kickbacks they were getting. Russia was also getting kickbacks. I think we shoud take this to the international court and demand all the countries and parties involved be required to pay the ill-gotten-funds back to the people of Iraq. We need some accountants to come up with some names and some figures to go on.

Then after the fact Annan has tried to hide the evidence to keep the knowledge of what is going on. Annan has led a purposeful and premeditated attempt to escape justice. I think his actions should fall under War Crimes. This action he was in charge of for the Oil-For-Food program is the same as the Nazi's making money of the gold of the Jews in World War II. It is the same thing.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: piasabird

Originally posted by: RZaakir
I still don't see any evidence that he did anything wrong or had any knowledge of wrongdoing. If this evidence doesn't come up and he takes appropriate steps to address and the situation - which he seems to be doing - I say no.

EDIT: I mean Yes.

He was in charge of the UN and millions of dollars in funds intended to feed people in Iraq was not even spent on food. Instead shipments of oil were sold and the buyer got kickbacks from Sadam. Then Sadam hid this money and used it to buy weapons under the nose and with the knowledge of Mr Annan. His own son got payoffs in this deal. A lot of money went to France who voted against military action so they could prolong the oil for food program because of the kickbacks they were getting. Russia was also getting kickbacks. I think we shoud take this to the international court and demand all the countries and parties involved be required to pay the ill-gotten-funds back to the people of Iraq. We need some accountants to come up with some names and some figures to go on.

Then after the fact Annan has tried to hide the evidence to keep the knowledge of what is going on. Annan has led a purposeful and premeditated attempt to escape justice. I think his actions should fall under War Crimes. This action he was in charge of for the Oil-For-Food program is the same as the Nazi's making money of the gold of the Jews in World War II. It is the same thing.

But the UN said no to Bush's illegal war based on moral objections and their firm beliefs that sanctions were working, face it, bush lied 100,000 died.....