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Pariah

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I know, I used to have a bet with my MS-bashing friends to find me an article where he had even made anything
close to that statement. Not to prove them wrong mind you, but I had heard that same claim so often that
I really wanted to find out where it might have originated if true.

I don't know where that quote really originated from. Someone in the industry may have actually said it, but it definitely wasn't Bill Gates. The internet made the quote so famous and oft repeated that people actually think it's a real quote from him.

One issue though, as you already pointed out, drives can be built with smaller platters to create an additional reduction in latency.

Drive latency as defined by drive manufacturers is the amount of time it take the platter to rotate to the proper sector on the track it is searching. Thus, reducing platter size will not reduce latency, only seek time, the amount of time it take the read/write head to position itself over the proper track on the platter. The only thing that will decrease latency is a faster spindle speed.

You already mentioned the Savvio drives, but IIRC the Cheetah line has been taking avantage of smaller platters for several generations.

All 10k drives use roughly 3" platters, while all 15k drives use around 2.6" platters. The Savvio is the first non-portable drive to use the 2.5" form factor which uses platters smaller than typical 10k drives, reducing average seek time. Due to power and space savings eventually all hard drives will move to this form factor.

Your calculations above are all based on keeping the drive volume constant, yes?

Not sure what you mean by drive volume, but absolutely nothing affects hard drive latency but spindle speed. A 10k RPM drive with 4 mile wide platters will have the exact latency as a 10k RPM drive with 1" platters. The average latency spec quoted by hard drive makers is simply maximum latency divided by 2. It's a simple mathematical formula [(1 / (spindle speed / 60)) * 0.5 * 1000] which can be simplified all the way to:

30,000 / spindle speed

Which gives you the average latency in milliseconds. As you can see, the only variable is spindle speed, and you will always have the same average latency for the same spindle speed (or whatever is spinning at that rate).
 

CQuinn

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Originally posted by: Pariah

I don't know where that quote really originated from. Someone in the industry may have actually said it, but it definitely wasn't Bill Gates. The internet made the quote so famous and oft repeated that people actually think it's a real quote from him.

And as evidenced by this thread, it has been so long people have forgotten the original value in the quote (640k),
and why it may have seemed relevant enough to attribute to Gates in the first place.

As for the rest, you are correct. I was confusing latency with seek time. My apologies.

 

Googer

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Here are some more Fun Quotes:

Predictions "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." -- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." -- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 "640k should be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 ?1.5 Mb/s should be enough for anybody.?

?The demand for bandwidth is probably as dimly understood now as prospects for disk storage and memory were in the early 80s. What is clear is that you can sell as much bandwidth as you can supply. More bandwidth will open the door for exciting new types of services in the future.? -- Dr. Patrick Nettles, CEO of Ciena Corporation
http://www.pafiber.net/slide-sets/20020912-who-is-pafibernet/
 

Googer

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Seagates New SAS Drive will be called 15k.4 and will replace the older SCSI 15k.3 and will be avalable in both SAS and SCSI flavors.
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: ribbon13
Oh yeah.... Here's praying for Seagate to release 15,000rpm 16mb SAS drives. Raptors go the way of dinosaurs. Oh wait...

Seagate has had 16mb SCSI for years now. I think they may have 24 and 32mb drives now.
 

ribbon13

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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: ribbon13
Oh yeah.... Here's praying for Seagate to release 15,000rpm 16mb SAS drives. Raptors go the way of dinosaurs. Oh wait...

Seagate has had 16mb SCSI for years now. I think they may have 24 and 32mb drives now.

Those are special order part numbers though. Can you buy those a few at a time?
 

Pabster

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Actually the Gates comment was 640K of RAM being enough for anyone.

SAS ... not really that excited. Then again I don't have an e-commerce farm that needs 16,000 drives either :D :) :p
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: ribbon13
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: ribbon13
Oh yeah.... Here's praying for Seagate to release 15,000rpm 16mb SAS drives. Raptors go the way of dinosaurs. Oh wait...

Seagate has had 16mb SCSI for years now. I think they may have 24 and 32mb drives now.

Those are special order part numbers though. Can you buy those a few at a time?

Yes, I have seen ad's for them in the back of Maximum PC. But I do not remember the company that was selling them. Possibly it was HardDrive.com. (The Old HardDrive.com, is now Defunct)