Poll : Quad Core vs Hex-core ?? Choose

[AtenRa]

Around the globe, people buying performance CPUs like the Intel Core i5 2500K/3570K and Core i7 2600K/3770K but very few if any of them are using the iGPU that comes with them.

The scenario is simple. We have Intel's Quad core 8 threads + iGPU (HD4000) Core i7 3770K (unlocked 3.5GHz) 77W TDP (this is the same die that Core i5 3570K comes from) against a hypothetical 6-core 12 threads (unlocked 3,3GHz) no iGPU 90W TDP for the same cost and platform.

The idea is to replace the iGPU with two more CPU cores and keep almost the same die size in order to keep almost the same price point.

The question is simple. If you were going to buy a CPU like current Core i5 or i7, would you choose two more CPU cores over the iGPU for the same price ???

Edit: Thank you all for participating

 

[cmdrdredd]

more cores for sure given the same clock speed, performance per clock etc.

 

[Smoblikat]

100% YUSH. iGPU is useless for me and should b for anyone who buys a K series processor. Though i think 2 cores cost more than the iGPU.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

my answer should be obvious

 

[AtenRa]

Yeap, i have voted for 6 cores no iGPU

 

[Diogenes2]

Around the globe, people buying performance CPUs like the Intel Core i5 2500K/3570K and Core i7 2600K/3770K but very few if any of them are using the iGPU that comes with them.

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That's simply wrong..

Enthusiasts who don't use the iGPU, are a drop in the bucket of the market that Intel targets ; mainly OEMs

 

[Magic Carpet]

6 cores, I don't want to deal with Intel video drivers.

 

[Don Karnage]

Question is flawed because there is no sense in releasing a 6 core on mainstream for cheap. It would make the high end 2011 irrelevant.

Let me also say that 600 dollars is a steal for an unlocked 6 core from intel. IB-E should bring an 8 core K model for 999.99 but that still will be a steal.

 

[cmdrdredd]

That's simply wrong..

Enthusiasts who don't use the iGPU, are a drop in the bucket of the market that Intel targets ; mainly OEMs

That's true, but how many OEMs are selling k processors in their system? Not many I'd guess.

You are correct though, the number of people buying k CPUs and clocking to 4.5Ghz+ is not in the same ballpark of how many systems Dell ships with a locked i7.

 

[AtenRa]

That's simply wrong..

Enthusiasts who don't use the iGPU, are a drop in the bucket of the market that Intel targets ; mainly OEMs

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33002582&postcount=27

The reason for the Intel® Core™ i5-2550K is to try to help meet the market demand for the Intel Core i5-2500K. In case some of you haven't seen it the Intel Core i5-2500K is our #1 retail chip and a lot of people have said that they don't need the IGP (Integrated Graphics on Processor). So here you have a processor that doesn't have the IGP (so no Intel Quick Sync) but 100MHz faster clock speed and I think you will find that the TDP is misstated as it should be listed at 80w since that is what the Intel Xeon® E3-1240 runs at without graphics http://ark.intel.com/compare/52273,52210,65647.

 

[Smoblikat]

Question is flawed because there is no sense in releasing a 6 core on mainstream for cheap. It would make the high end 2011 irrelevant.

Let me also say that 600 dollars is a steal for an unlocked 6 core from intel. IB-E should bring an 8 core K model for 999.99 but that still will be a steal.

Thats the point, intel is greedy and overprices AND underpowers everything. Unlike AMD which naturally sucks even without their greed thrown into the equation

 

[AtenRa]

Question is flawed because there is no sense in releasing a 6 core on mainstream for cheap. It would make the high end 2011 irrelevant.

Let me also say that 600 dollars is a steal for an unlocked 6 core from intel. IB-E should bring an 8 core K model for 999.99 but that still will be a steal.

With 22nm process, Intel will be able to produce an 8-Core ~300mm2 die and sell it at $500+ and all the way up to $999. It will make more money than selling the current Core i7 3930K 6-core 435mm2 die at the same money

 

[Don Karnage]

Thats the point, intel is greedy and overprices AND underpowers everything. Unlike AMD which naturally sucks even without their greed thrown into the equation

Intel's a business and like every business they're in it to make profit. Also i dont consider 599.99 to be "Overpriced". If you really want someone to blame you need to blame Amd. If they had a product worth a damn that could compete prices would be lower.

If BD's 8 core performed like an 8 core should have we would have 6 core mainstream processors from Intel.

 

[Don Karnage]

With 22nm process, Intel will be able to produce an 8-Core ~300mm2 die and sell it at $500+ and all the way up to $999. It will make more money than selling the current Core i7 3930K 6-core 435mm2 die at the same money

Selling an 8 core for that cheap would eat into Xeon sales and thats where Intel's bread and butter is. Maybe with Broadwell we'll see a cheap 8 core under 1K but with IB-E it'll be 1200-1000 dollars.

Look at the Xeon 2687W. It's 1800 dollars

 

[AtenRa]

Selling an 8 core for that cheap would eat into Xeon sales and thats where Intel's bread and butter is. Maybe with Broadwell we'll see a cheap 8 core under 1K but with IB-E it'll be 1200-1000 dollars.

Look at the Xeon 2687W. It's 1800 dollars

We are talking about desktop here.

Not to mention that they already have a 10 core 20 threads die for XEONs

 

[Don Karnage]

We are talking about desktop here.

Not to mention that they already have a 10 core 20 threads die for XEONs

Socket 2011 is a desktop socket abit high end and the highest clocked E7 is at 2.4Ghz and its 4600 bucks

 

[piasabird]

If you are going to build a server with a single processor, you may want the no frill graphics. Or you may prefer an integrated motherboard if you are going to use 2 or more processors. Maybe Intel should have an on-demand video instead of always on.

 

[Skurge]

Intel's a business and like every business they're in it to make profit. Also i dont consider 599.99 to be "Overpriced". If you really want someone to blame you need to blame Amd. If they had a product worth a damn that could compete prices would be lower.

If BD's 8 core performed like an 8 core should have we would have 6 core mainstream processors from Intel.

You can be sure as hell that if bulldozer "performed like an 8 core" it would NOT cheap. Asumung 8 cores with say nehalem performance per core.

I voted 6 cores with no IGP. If AMD could manage to strap 2 more cores to phenom and have it work at the same clocks and same platform, the only reason intel wouldn't do it clearly cause they want to maintain the segmentation they've created since the nehalem days. There really isn't much technical reason for it.

 

[Ferzerp]

In your hypotethical scenario, it's a no brainer.

 

[Don Karnage]

You can be sure as hell that if bulldozer "performed like an 8 core" it would NOT cheap. Asumung 8 cores with say nehalem performance per core.

I voted 6 cores with no IGP. If AMD could manage to strap 2 more cores to phenom and have it work at the same clocks and same platform, the only reason intel wouldn't do it clearly cause they want to maintain the segmentation they've created since the nehalem days. There really isn't much technical reason for it.

That graph is from 2005. There is no way we would go back to price wars even if Amd competed with Intel. Intel could undercut amd at any price range because they have there own fab's

 

[blastingcap]

cpu = cheap relative to other components. think about how much a typical enthusiast's cpu cooler and fans and case costs... add it up and it's about the same cost as a well-performing cpu! some mobos cost more than a 2500k or 3570k. video cards too. where is the angry mob over cpu cooler, mobo, etc. prices?

 

[Idontcare]

I would vote for neither option, you need the third option - keep the current quad-core layout and get rid of the iGPU and associated production cost, lowering the retail price commensurately.

If my 3770k could have been $100 cheaper owing to the much reduced diesize and correspondingly elevated yields and chips/wafer then that would have been a win.

 

[blastingcap]

I would vote for neither option, you need the third option - keep the current quad-core layout and get rid of the iGPU and associated production cost, lowering the retail price commensurately.

If my 3770k could have been $100 cheaper owing to the much reduced diesize and correspondingly elevated yields and chips/wafer then that would have been a win.

+1

 

[Smoblikat]

I would vote for neither option, you need the third option - keep the current quad-core layout and get rid of the iGPU and associated production cost, lowering the retail price commensurately.

If my 3770k could have been $100 cheaper owing to the much reduced diesize and correspondingly elevated yields and chips/wafer then that would have been a win.

Good idea, make an enthusiast oriented proc with no iGPU and sell it for less............wait, I5 2550K has no iGPU and costs more........................

 

[exar333]

Good idea, make an enthusiast oriented proc with no iGPU and sell it for less............wait, I5 2550K has no iGPU and costs more........................

It's there, just not functional/disabled.