Poll : Quad Core vs Hex-core ?? Choose

[pelov]

I believe that they are selling far more Core i5 2500K and Core i7 socket 1155 than the Core i7 3820 socket 2011 and still they produced it. Not only the Core i7 3820 is a lower volume chip, it is bigger and they sell it for less than the Core i7 socket 1155.

it's a 2011 chip. What market do you think that new mask/layout was for? desktop? Pulling a server chip as an example just shows you don't know Intel very well...

 

[Cerb]

15 cycles for Penryn's L2 vs 26-31 for SNB's L3
May have the same amount of total cache but its slower.

Meanwhile, the smaller L2 is faster than the C2D's L2, which was kind of the point of the small L2 v. large L3, a search across all processors is far faster than in any C2Q, and a trip out to main memory is much faster than on any socket 775 CPU.

A slow L3 is perfectly fine, as long as it gets used less than the faster L2, which should also get fewer accesses than the smaller L1.

 

[AtenRa]

Try tell me what the average price on chips made on that mask is?

Core i7 3820 = $300
http://ark.intel.com/products/63698

Core i5 3570K = $235
Core i7 3770/K = from $300 up to $340 for the K

 

[ShintaiDK]

Core i7 3820 = $300
http://ark.intel.com/products/63698

Core i5 3570K = $235
Core i7 3770/K = from $300 up to $340 for the K

Wrong. You forgot all the Xeons sold with the same mask.

And you need to know how many they sold of each and so on to give the exact number. Something you cant answer. The 3570K/3770K also needs to use the 3550, 3450 etc. Mobiles as well.

But it was to show you really dont see the greater picture.

 

[pelov]

Wrong. You forgot all the Xeons sold with the same mask.

I think he actually believes Intel and AMD still make desktop processors...

AtenRa, remember when I said they make more money off laptop/server and OEMs? Check the margins and sales numbers again and you'll be surprised.

 

[AtenRa]

it's a 2011 chip. What market do you think that new mask/layout was for? desktop? Pulling a server chip as an example just shows you don't know Intel very well...

You still dont understand it, im not debating how Intel thinks and operates. Im talking from a technical and economical point that they could make that CPU and be very profitable for them.

The reasons they dont do it are not technological or economical. They simple want to push the APU format. As you have said before, we are the minority and they dont give a flying F...k about us and what we want and so they will not do this die.

PS: I havent forgotten it,
AMD does the same they pushing the APUs for the desktop and Laptops and concentrating in servers as well. Bulldozer could be a much much better CPU if it was designed for the Desktop

 

[AtenRa]

Wrong. You forgot all the Xeons sold with the same mask.

And you need to know how many they sold of each and so on to give the exact number. Something you cant answer. The 3570K/3770K also needs to use the 3550, 3450 etc. Mobiles as well.

But it was to show you really dont see the greater picture.

Could you give me the XEON models that come for then same die as the 3820 ??

 

[Vesku]

It does seem anything labeled a desktop or mobile chip needs to be an APU unit for the sake of Intel's "GPU share" purposes. ;p

 

[ShintaiDK]

could you give me the xeon models that come for then same die as the 3820 ??

e5-4603
e5-2643
e5-2637
e5-2609
e5-2603
e5-2407
e5-2403

 

[exar333]

Could you give me the XEON models that come for then same die as the 3820 ??

Pretty sure the Intel Xeon E5-1620 is the same as the 3820.

 

[Vesku]

Xeon e5-2609 and 2603 might be from the same die:

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon E5-2609.html

Could you give me the XEON models that come for then same die as the 3820 ??

 

[pelov]

You still dont understand it, im not debating how Intel thinks and operates. Im talking from a technical and economical point that they could make that CPU and be very profitable for them.

The reasons they dont do it are not technological or economical. They simple want to push the APU format. As you have said before, we are the minority and they dont give a flying F...k about us and what we want and so they will not do this die.

PS: I havent forgotten it,
AMD does the same they pushing the APUs for the desktop and Laptops and concentrating in servers as well. Bulldozer could be a much much better CPU if it was designed for the Desktop

So you're not talking technical or economical and they don't do it for technical or economical reasons... You're saying Intel made a choice and it's cost them money. Intel? Do you really think I'll believe that?

Intel sells you laptop chips because they save money by selling you laptop chips. You yourself said the 2500K was Intel's best-ever selling enthusiast processor, so do you think this message that you're selling them makes sense? Given their sales numbers and the ones you yourself posted I'm inclined to disagree. Enthusiasts like to claim that they know a lot about hardware but I'm not quite sure that's true anymore. They seem to be very very happy with a fused or useless iGPU.

I understand your point. I do. What you don't get though is that Intel has these chips already on a different socket and workstation/server platform so they won't make another one on the desktop. They have that covered already. If you want a 6/12 chip you can buy the server variant. Why should they make it on 1155 if they lose money? Have you compared the prices between a 2600K and a 3930K? Compared the price of the motherboards? Server 6/12 chips and platforms have higher margins and that means more $$$.

This is Intel, AtenRa. It's about $$$ and not about pleasing you or me.

 

[ShintaiDK]

E5-2418L too.

So lets recap. The LGA2011 quadcore mask:
e5-4603
e5-2643
e5-2637
e5-2418L
e5-2609
e5-2603
e5-2407
e5-2403
e5-1620
i7-3820

10 CPUs. Maybe more.

 

[Vesku]

To sum up, the main reason there is not a s1155 6 core IB for enthusiasts is Intel not only likes money it LOVES money. Who knew?

 

[ShintaiDK]

To sum up, the main reason there is not a s1155 6 core IB for enthusiasts is Intel not only likes money it LOVES money. Who knew?

A company who´s task is to make money for its shareholders? How unheard. Call the media!

If you turn it around abit. Then lower profits would impact future developments too due to smaller R&D.

 

[AtenRa]

From intel’s site we have the following prices.

e5-4603 $555
e5-2643 $885
e5-2637 $887
e5-2418L n/a
e5-2609 $299
e5-2603 $207
e5-2407 $251
e5-2403 $195
e5-1620 $294
i7-3820 $305

Only three CPUs have higher ASP than 3820, and im sure the volume of those three XEONs are low. Not only that but 3820 die size is ~300mm2.

The die im talking about is at 160mm2 and have much higher volume than the XEON CPUs. Clearly guys, a 6-core 160mm2 selling at high volume in desktop market from $250 for the Core i5 K equivalent to $450 for higher priced Core i7 would make more money for Intel than those XEONs + the 3820. Not to mention they could introduce that CPU to the Server market as well

 

[ShintaiDK]

How many 6 cores on LGA1155 do you think they can sell?

 

[pelov]

So you're assuming that because Intel is selling an imaginary chip at higher volumes that they can also magically sell an 1155-based chip as a server chip as well? And what about the motherboard/socket compatibility? You're aware they would have to sell for cheap because of the dual channel + 1155 limitations and take away from high margin 2011 6/12 chips, right?

You're hopeless. Either completely ignorant or trolling. For your sake I hope you're trolling.

Server CPUs make more $$ than desktop CPUs. Get that through your head.

 

[AtenRa]

So you're not talking technical or economical and they don't do it for technical or economical reasons... You're saying Intel made a choice and it's cost them money. Intel? Do you really think I'll believe that?

Intel sells you laptop chips because they save money by selling you laptop chips. You yourself said the 2500K was Intel's best-ever selling enthusiast processor, so do you think this message that you're selling them makes sense? Given their sales numbers and the ones you yourself posted I'm inclined to disagree. Enthusiasts like to claim that they know a lot about hardware but I'm not quite sure that's true anymore. They seem to be very very happy with a fused or useless iGPU.

I understand your point. I do. What you don't get though is that Intel has these chips already on a different socket and workstation/server platform so they won't make another one on the desktop. They have that covered already. If you want a 6/12 chip you can buy the server variant. Why should they make it on 1155 if they lose money? Have you compared the prices between a 2600K and a 3930K? Compared the price of the motherboards? Server 6/12 chips and platforms have higher margins and that means more $$$.

This is Intel, AtenRa. It's about $$$ and not about pleasing you or me.

At 22nm they can have a 10 core die to replace the 8-core die they had at 32nm. They can sell you a 8-core $599 socket 2011 CPU and make the same money they made from the 6-core SB-E.

 

[pelov]

At 22nm they can have a 10 core die to replace the 8-core die they had at 32nm. They can sell you a 8-core $599 socket 2011 CPU and make the same money they made from the 6-core SB-E.

And the high margin 6-cores die off so a few enthusiasts can buy a few chips?

Server > desktop.

When you realize this then you should post. Until then please refrain from ridiculing yourself further

 

[AtenRa]

So you're assuming that because Intel is selling an imaginary chip at higher volumes that they can also magically sell an 1155-based chip as a server chip as well? And what about the motherboard/socket compatibility? You're aware they would have to sell for cheap because of the dual channel + 1155 limitations and take away from high margin 2011 6/12 chips, right?

You're hopeless. Either completely ignorant or trolling. For your sake I hope you're trolling.

Server CPUs make more $$ than desktop CPUs. Get that through your head.

You forgetting they will produce a 10-12 core chip at 22nm to replace the 8-10 core chips they had at 32nm.

They already have a socket 1155 XEON
http://ark.intel.com/products/52271

 

[AtenRa]

How many 6 cores on LGA1155 do you think they can sell?

As many Core i5 2500 and 3570 + Core i7 socket 1155

Edit: And to give you an idea.

Same die size same process
Core i5 3570K is a quad core no HT = $234
Core i5 3560K is a 6 core no HT = $249

I believe everyone with a Core i5 2500 would upgrade to that in a heart beat

Same die size same process
Core i7 3770K is a quad core + HT = $334
Core i7 3760K is a 6 core + HT = from $339 to $449 (xtreme edition)

I believe everyone with a Core i5 2500 or 2600K would upgrade to that in a heart beat

Not to mention everyone that is in the market for a new system.

 

[pelov]

You forgetting they will produce a 10-12 core chip at 22nm to replace the 8-10 core chips they had at 32nm.

They already have a socket 1155 XEON
http://ark.intel.com/products/52271

Do they have a 6-core variant? Because that's what you want.

You know who's really good at making CPUs and money and doesn't agree with you? Intel.

 

[ShintaiDK]

As many Core i5 2500 and 3570 + Core i7 socket 1155

No. Try again.

Also a 6 core would be something like 3-3.1Ghz for 95W.

How many 6 cores? I want a number. Are they gonna sell 1 million?

All people buying a 2500/2600/2700/3570/3770 will not just buy a 6 core. Some might, but most wont since its slower and worse to OC.

The mask that produces the current quads sells in the 100million mark.

 

[ninaholic37]

If you have a lot of cash to blow, this might be an alternative worth considering...

Second, while Applied Materials equipment is generic — you could buy a full set for $50 million and produce your own 45nm chip today!

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/106899-beyond-22nm-applied-materials-the-unsung-silicon-hero/2

Not really sure how accurate that number is though. :awe: