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During the trial, no one disputed that the 170-pound Lionel, then 12, beat Tiffany to death on July 28, 1999, in the Pembroke Park home he shared with his mother, a Florida Highway Patrol trooper. The defense argued that Lionel was imitating professional wrestling moves he had seen on TV.
That little ah heck weights more than me. I blame the parents. At 12 years old, if a child doesnt have any guidance about what is right and wrong, it is the parent's fault. Stop making babies that grow up to be criminals.
That little ah heck weights more than me. I blame the parents. At 12 years old, if a child doesnt have any guidance about what is right and wrong, it is the parent's fault. Stop making babies that grow up to be criminals.
killing mentally disabled people....that's kindof like what the the nazis did during ww2.
well looks like history repeats itself all the time...here we go again.
the kid was 12, he should get the shiznitz kicked out of him, chop his arms and legs off, and then let him choose if he wants to live or not.
that's what i'd do if i was king.
as for the mother...sterilize her (like someone else said on this board). she's an adult, and she'll feel the guilt. if i was the mom (no i'm not a woman...but IF)...i would prolly kill myself.
tibor
well looks like history repeats itself all the time...here we go again.
the kid was 12, he should get the shiznitz kicked out of him, chop his arms and legs off, and then let him choose if he wants to live or not.
that's what i'd do if i was king.
as for the mother...sterilize her (like someone else said on this board). she's an adult, and she'll feel the guilt. if i was the mom (no i'm not a woman...but IF)...i would prolly kill myself.
tibor
I don't think they should give him life in prison. They should definately give him the chair, or lethal injection.
"killing mentally disabled people....that's kindof like what the the nazis did during ww2."
, but the ppl who were being killed did not kill anybody like the 14yr old mentioned in this thread did.
"killing mentally disabled people....that's kindof like what the the nazis did during ww2."
, but the ppl who were being killed did not kill anybody like the 14yr old mentioned in this thread did.
GoldenTiger
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He killed someone. Teens aren't dumb... they know what killing someone is. They are just as in control of their actions as an adult, and should be treated as one.
Waste of a life? Yeah, but isn't it always, even if he were 22?
Waste of a life? Yeah, but isn't it always, even if he were 22?
My question is. Where do we draw the line? If a five year old kills a baby, try him as adult too?
Why not just get rid of the juvenile justice system?
What pisses me off is the hypocricy. A 12 year old deemed responsible enough to be tried as an adult.
But as a 20 year old college graduate, I wasn't responsible enough to play pool at a bar with my friend last weekend.
Is there something wrong with that picture?
Why not just get rid of the juvenile justice system?
What pisses me off is the hypocricy. A 12 year old deemed responsible enough to be tried as an adult.
But as a 20 year old college graduate, I wasn't responsible enough to play pool at a bar with my friend last weekend.
Is there something wrong with that picture?
This young boy was not just playing, he was an opportunist. The little girl had a lacerated liver, broken rib bones, fractured skull, cuts and bruises. Does anyone think she was silent during all this? She was 6 and weighed 48lb, he was a large 12yr old and weighed nearly 150lb. This was wanton murder for the hell of it, because everything in this country is excused for one reason or another. Her sentence is "Life" as in NOT. Only in this country would we have such a foolish debate. Throw the little bastard away for "Life"!!!
Boy, I sure see a pattern here. And it seems again that those on the left seem to have a real hard time with laws and justice. The perpetrators always seem to be due more leeway than the victims in their eyes. I can't imagine ever seeing their POV. EVER! :|
Another thing is that the death penalty keeps being brought up. I didn't read anywhere that the kid was facing that.
The other victim is dead. Do you caulk this up to just an unfortunate accident or what? How do you justify in your mind that this kid should get off easier than this. I think that plea bargain offer was insane too. I can't believe they would ever offer to let him off so easily under any circumstances. Justice prevailed here for a change!
Another thing is that the death penalty keeps being brought up. I didn't read anywhere that the kid was facing that.
- "...before the trial, Tate, his mother and his lawyer repeatedly rejected a plea bargain that offered the boy three years in a juvenile prison, one year of house arrest and 10 years of probation.
"That was a fair plea offer, and if I could turn back time I would take it," the boy?s lawyer said.
The other victim is dead. Do you caulk this up to just an unfortunate accident or what? How do you justify in your mind that this kid should get off easier than this. I think that plea bargain offer was insane too. I can't believe they would ever offer to let him off so easily under any circumstances. Justice prevailed here for a change!
GoldenTiger
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Thanks to our horrible justice system, this teen, once sentenced to life, will be out on parole in 2 years... if he's put in with no parole he'll get it in 5 years when they decide to give him a "second chance". No one considers jail time anything anymore because you always get out or off for one stupid reason or another.
The people who are asking for death are the same people that berated President Clinton because he was having sex with a 25 year old child intern. She wasn't responsible for her part, just Clinton. Does the hypocrasy never end for you people?
As far as cost goes, putting someone to death costs a lot more money because of appeals process, then keeping the person in jail for life. Of course, we really don't need the appeals process, Illinois showed up that. And don't forget jail is so much cheaper than intervention, trying to figure out what is going wrong with these children, we don't want to waste money on that, do we?
I hope noone ever gets the justice system going after them like you want it to go over a 14 year old boy. Sure, midnight basketball sounds stupid, but it works. If we all spent some time talking to children (18 and younger), we might help them deal with the world that is crazy right now. When was the last time you talked to a child or an adult if you are a child? Blame is easy to place, so blame away, but don't try and help, then you may see how hard it is.
As far as cost goes, putting someone to death costs a lot more money because of appeals process, then keeping the person in jail for life. Of course, we really don't need the appeals process, Illinois showed up that. And don't forget jail is so much cheaper than intervention, trying to figure out what is going wrong with these children, we don't want to waste money on that, do we?
I hope noone ever gets the justice system going after them like you want it to go over a 14 year old boy. Sure, midnight basketball sounds stupid, but it works. If we all spent some time talking to children (18 and younger), we might help them deal with the world that is crazy right now. When was the last time you talked to a child or an adult if you are a child? Blame is easy to place, so blame away, but don't try and help, then you may see how hard it is.
Just curious: who here thinks that once this child is released, he'll commit another murder?
Thanks to the splendid media, this kid's future has been destroyed in just a few days. It doesn't matter for him whether he will be released or not. No one will trust him, small children will be kept away from him by their mothers, he won't be trusted in any important job.
His life's over.
Thanks to the splendid media, this kid's future has been destroyed in just a few days. It doesn't matter for him whether he will be released or not. No one will trust him, small children will be kept away from him by their mothers, he won't be trusted in any important job.
His life's over.
"...berated President Clinton because he was having sex with a 25 year old child intern."
Clinton is another one (on the left, of course) that doesn't think laws apply to him. He helps get hostile workplace laws passed and then drops his pants in front of Paula Jones. When brought to court over the issue, he lies under oath. That's nice. Again, laws don't apply to him or anybody on the left apparently.
Kill another kid and the law should be lenient. Fire a worker for being useless, and the law should reward the lazy worker with millions. "Does the hypocrisy never end for you people?"
Clinton is another one (on the left, of course) that doesn't think laws apply to him. He helps get hostile workplace laws passed and then drops his pants in front of Paula Jones. When brought to court over the issue, he lies under oath. That's nice. Again, laws don't apply to him or anybody on the left apparently.
Kill another kid and the law should be lenient. Fire a worker for being useless, and the law should reward the lazy worker with millions. "Does the hypocrisy never end for you people?"
NikPreviousAcct
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I think he should pay for what he did, reguardless. Now, if other people should be involved (like parents), I think the parents should have some sort of repromand as well.
First of all, he wasn't sentenced to life. He was sentenced to life without parole. Quite a big difference there in a state like Florida.
Second, he was 12, with the IQ of an 8 year old, when he did this. It was, I would say, worse than a school shooting- most of the shooters were picked on to the point where they snapped, while this kid simply beat a girl to death- but he was *12*.
There's no question that the mother is partially to blame, as is the attorney, for not watching him (and for neglecting the girl she was supposed to be babysitting) and for turning down the plea deal, which, IMO, suited the crime.
However, at the base of it, this is still a 12 year old borderline retarded child- whom the state is currently keeping in solitary at a juvenile facility simply because you don't put a 14 year old into GenPop of an adult prison.
There are only two ways to treat such a crime; the 15-25 year sentences people have suggested wouldn't work, because the end result would be a free 40 year old with a sixth grade education who'd spent the last 25 years of his life learning how to kill people *better*.
One way is to put him in juvie for several years and make sure he's well supervised when he gets out.
The other is to lock him up and throw away the key in the name of 'sending a message' to all those other 12 year olds who have the IQ of an 8 year old and happen to be watching CNN.
Even the DA's were smarter than that; they offered a fair deal that the child's 'protectors', incompetent morons to the end, turned down...but I guess some of the armchair prosecutors here have no problem whatsoever sentencing a 12 year old to, essentially, a few decades of anal rape followed by death.
No matter what that child did, it isn't worth that.
Second, he was 12, with the IQ of an 8 year old, when he did this. It was, I would say, worse than a school shooting- most of the shooters were picked on to the point where they snapped, while this kid simply beat a girl to death- but he was *12*.
There's no question that the mother is partially to blame, as is the attorney, for not watching him (and for neglecting the girl she was supposed to be babysitting) and for turning down the plea deal, which, IMO, suited the crime.
However, at the base of it, this is still a 12 year old borderline retarded child- whom the state is currently keeping in solitary at a juvenile facility simply because you don't put a 14 year old into GenPop of an adult prison.
There are only two ways to treat such a crime; the 15-25 year sentences people have suggested wouldn't work, because the end result would be a free 40 year old with a sixth grade education who'd spent the last 25 years of his life learning how to kill people *better*.
One way is to put him in juvie for several years and make sure he's well supervised when he gets out.
The other is to lock him up and throw away the key in the name of 'sending a message' to all those other 12 year olds who have the IQ of an 8 year old and happen to be watching CNN.
Even the DA's were smarter than that; they offered a fair deal that the child's 'protectors', incompetent morons to the end, turned down...but I guess some of the armchair prosecutors here have no problem whatsoever sentencing a 12 year old to, essentially, a few decades of anal rape followed by death.
No matter what that child did, it isn't worth that.
"Boy, I sure see a pattern here. And it seems again that those on the left seem to have a real hard time with laws and justice. The perpetrators always seem to be due more leeway than the victims in their eyes. I can't imagine ever seeing their POV. EVER!"
I consider myself a democrat and like I said above he should be put to death.
"The people who are asking for death are the same people that berated President Clinton because he was having sex with a 25 year old child intern. She wasn't responsible for her part, just Clinton. Does the hypocrasy never end for you people?"
Also, I think it was ridiculous what the Republicans did, because of what Clinton did above.
I consider myself a democrat and like I said above he should be put to death.
"The people who are asking for death are the same people that berated President Clinton because he was having sex with a 25 year old child intern. She wasn't responsible for her part, just Clinton. Does the hypocrasy never end for you people?"
Also, I think it was ridiculous what the Republicans did, because of what Clinton did above.
josphstalinator
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id be more sympathetic to the kid if he didnt claim he was wrestling with the girl. theres no possible way those injuries were accidental. as for the plea that was offered, omg! talk about a slap on the wrist for killing somebody! i think the kid should be eligible for parole in 50 years or so.
CrazyRaider
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- Feb 18, 2001
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No, HELL no he shouldent, hes just a kid, it was an accident, you know the court wasent being fare to him, like i said HES JUST A KID, what good would it do for him to go to jail? hes not going to learn anything if hes going to be there the rest of his life
josphstalinator
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who cares if he learns anyting>? the point of jail is to get the person out of society. and you really think it was an accident!!?? apply some common sense man. lets say they were wrestling. after the girl gets her first bruise she is gonna start crying or something to that extent. what she isnt gonna do is continue to sit pretty while somebody twice her size beats her to death. theres no fukin way this was an accident. its not as if the guy did a pile driver and snapped her neck, that would at least be within the realm of possibility if they were wrestling. the little girl was beatin to death, plain and simple.
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