Poll: Organ Donor?

[DrNoobie]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
If I had a choice about which organs to donate yes, but since it's all or none, no.

I know that sounds strange coming from someone that works in health care, but I've seen too many people requiring organ transplants because of high risk behaviors throughout their life.

For instance, someone who's drunk their liver into submission or has hepatitis C, etc.

I know may people who've had organ transplants, and their lives are rarely the same, I suspect many of them would not have had the procedure if they'd known the side effects of rejection drugs etc...

I also seriously resent many many of these transplants being paid for with tax dollars.

Excellent points. But if you're dead, why not give someone a chance, regardless of why they need it?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: DrNoobie

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
If I had a choice about which organs to donate yes, but since it's all or none, no.

I know that sounds strange coming from someone that works in health care, but I've seen too many people requiring organ transplants because of high risk behaviors throughout their life.

For instance, someone who's drunk their liver into submission or has hepatitis C, etc.

I know may people who've had organ transplants, and their lives are rarely the same, I suspect many of them would not have had the procedure if they'd known the side effects of rejection drugs etc...

I also seriously resent many many of these transplants being paid for with tax dollars.

Excellent points. But if you're dead, why not give someone a chance, regardless of why they need it?

I didn't know that tax dollars pay for someone else's health bills in the private sector. WTF! -that is SO bullsh|t. I will NEVER EVER donate, EVER. :|

 

[911paramedic]

Yes, and even after participating in a full harvest of a patient I have no second thoughts.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: DrNoobie

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
If I had a choice about which organs to donate yes, but since it's all or none, no.

I know that sounds strange coming from someone that works in health care, but I've seen too many people requiring organ transplants because of high risk behaviors throughout their life.

For instance, someone who's drunk their liver into submission or has hepatitis C, etc.

I know may people who've had organ transplants, and their lives are rarely the same, I suspect many of them would not have had the procedure if they'd known the side effects of rejection drugs etc...

I also seriously resent many many of these transplants being paid for with tax dollars.

Excellent points. But if you're dead, why not give someone a chance, regardless of why they need it?

Because I don't think some people are worth 1/2 million of my tax dollars.

 

[DrNoobie]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

...cough, bullshit, cough...

Meh, I'm young, inexperienced, and naive...but I've seen a highly respected doctor get fired because of a death due to neglect. It might not catch every time, but it works sometimes.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: DrNoobie

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

...cough, bullshit, cough...

Meh, I'm young, inexperienced, and naive...but I've seen a highly respected doctor get fired because of a death due to neglect. It might not catch every time, but it works sometimes.

Oh, catching the doctor after it happens actually works sometimes? WOW! I'm gonna go sign up RIGHT AWAY!

 

[DrNoobie]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt


Oh, catching the doctor after it happens actually works sometimes? WOW! I'm gonna go sign up RIGHT AWAY!

You've already stated you have trust issues, so it's really a moot point to say anything else.

 

[Feldenak]

Nope. If I could set it up so that only my immediate family could receive my organs than sure, I'd be a donor. As far as giving my organs to random strangers...nope, let'em rot.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: DrNoobie

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt


Oh, catching the doctor after it happens actually works sometimes? WOW! I'm gonna go sign up RIGHT AWAY!

You've already stated you have trust issues, so it's really a moot point to say anything else.

I guess so. I just find it hard to believe that people are willing to put themselves on the line when doctors are sometimes caught after it happens. Jeez... scary!

 

[StageLeft]

Of course. FFMCobalt's concern is unfounded IMO. There may be a MINIMAL bias towards killing you off just to save your organs, but the chances of me being in such a situation and ending up dead instead of having a _fulfilling_ life, simply because I'm a donor and a doctor offed me for organs is _infinitely_ less than the chances of my donation helping/saving somebody else's life. To me being an organ donor is a no-brainer.

It would be interesting to find out how many doctors - who obviously know about this more than us - are donors. I would bet the vast majority of them are.

I think it's sad that a 1/3 of respondents here would rather their good organs rott than helping out a stranger, for whatever reason.

And no, organs aren't generally given to alcoholics or people who do crack. They have a screening process and a 65 year old drinker isn't going to get a liver before a 30 year old mother.

I can only assume that whether one was a signed up donor in the past is not a consideration in this screening process. Too bad.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
No, and I never will be. I refuse to put myself in the position of needing critical care and not getting it because the doctor knows that he can save someone else's life if I die. Sorry folks. Life's rough. Deal with it. [edit] No, I don't demand to receive an organ, but if it's available, then great.

Sound like some sort of paranoid asshat. Then again as we all know when you enter the ER the very first thing the doctors do is pull up your medical records, determine if you are a donor or not, then read your medical history to determine which organs you have that would be viable for 'donations' (they wouldn't waste their time taking your hear out if you have chronic heart murmurs). By the time they actually get around to seeing your bruised and bloody body, oh well guess it is too late now. Time for harvest!
Yup, that sounds about right. Looks like you got it all figured out, don't you?

Anyhow, I have been a donor as long as I can remember, I am also on the bone marrow registry and I donate platelets regularly.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
No, and I never will be. I refuse to put myself in the position of needing critical care and not getting it because the doctor knows that he can save someone else's life if I die. Sorry folks. Life's rough. Deal with it. [edit] No, I don't demand to receive an organ, but if it's available, then great.

Sound like some sort of paranoid asshat. Then again as we all know when you enter the ER the very first thing the doctors do is pull up your medical records, determine if you are a donor or not, then read your medical history to determine which organs you have that would be viable for 'donations' (they wouldn't waste their time taking your hear out if you have chronic heart murmurs). By the time they actually get around to seeing your bruised and bloody body, oh well guess it is too late now. Time for harvest!
Yup, that sounds about right. Looks like you got it all figured out, don't you?

Anyhow, I have been a donor as long as I can remember, I am also on the bone marrow registry and I donate platelets regularly.

Now THAT is ridiculous. I'm just not willing to take that chance. Sue me.

 

[Dedpuhl]

No.


However, my best friend has cystic fibrosis. If it is ever determined that she will die due to lung complications, I will be first in line for a lung transplant.

 

[Nocturnal]

Honestly I don't know why I am not. I guess the next time I renew my license or get a new license I will opt to become one. I know I won't be alive any longer anyway. It just feels a little eerie, that is all.

 

[Homerboy]

Are you talking about Men and Masculinity? I guess I just didn't understand the post. In any case, I simply refuse to leave my life in some doctor's hands if there's any reason for them NOT to save me.

That statement makes no sense at all... a doctor gives up one life to take a CHANCE at saving another? So either way they have ~50/50? I just dont get your point. Such ignorance. Conspiracies everywhere...

FFMCobalt VERY post I've read thus far of yours is either inflammatory, degrading, mean or ignorant. Do you try or is it natural?

Edit: "[edit] No, I don't demand to receive an organ, but if it's available, then great."

That genius line is the crown jewel... nobody DEMANDS an organ you asshat. Yet you're willing to take one if somebody else dies (or has it stolen from them in lieu of proper medical attention as you suggest) and gives theirs up organ you'll happily take it? My lord... your a gem.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Are you talking about Men and Masculinity? I guess I just didn't understand the post. In any case, I simply refuse to leave my life in some doctor's hands if there's any reason for them NOT to save me.

That statement makes no sense at all... a doctor gives up one life to take a CHANCE at saving another? So either way they have ~50/50? I just dont get your point. Such ignorance. Conspiracies everywhere...

FFMCobalt VERY post I've read thus far of yours is either inflammatory, degrading, mean or ignorant. Do you try or is it natural?

Edit: "[edit] No, I don't demand to receive an organ, but if it's available, then great."

That genius line is the crown jewel... nobody DEMANDS an organ you asshat. Yet you're willing to take one if somebody else dies (or has it stolen from them in lieu of proper medical attention as you suggest) and gives theirs up organ you'll happily take it? My lord... your a gem.

I try. Just for you!

 

[Pliablemoose]

And no, organs aren't generally given to alcoholics or people who do crack. They have a screening process and a 65 year old drinker isn't going to get a liver before a 30 year old mother.

Wrong, I've seen it happen

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Are you talking about Men and Masculinity? I guess I just didn't understand the post. In any case, I simply refuse to leave my life in some doctor's hands if there's any reason for them NOT to save me.

That statement makes no sense at all... a doctor gives up one life to take a CHANCE at saving another? So either way they have ~50/50? I just dont get your point. Such ignorance. Conspiracies everywhere...

It doesn't matter if they live or not, someone still has to pay for the operation

Picture this. Someone in the next room from Nick is dying, and there's nothing that can be done for them (read "no more money to be made from them") without an organ, and Nick is in pretty bad shape, maybe saveable, maybe not. Do you:

A) Take a chance and try to save Nick, dooming the other guy to death? Remember, you're a greedy doctor and if the other guy dies and then you lose Nick too before you can make much money from him, you lose everything.

or

B) Let Nick die, harvest his organs, and perform the costly operation on the other guy? Remember, you're a greedy doctor, and Nick might have died anyway before much money could be made from him, but by letting him die you are assured of getting paid for performing a costly organ transplant.

There are definitely scenarios where letting one patient die in order to perform a (or possibly many) costly organ transplant would be more lucritive than trying to save an organ donor. Let the conspiracists chew on that for a while

 

[DrNoobie]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

And no, organs aren't generally given to alcoholics or people who do crack. They have a screening process and a 65 year old drinker isn't going to get a liver before a 30 year old mother.

Wrong, I've seen it happen

Same here. You wouldn't think that it would happen, because it shouldn't, but more deserving people are passed up more frequently than you would think.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Death row transplant

 

[Ranger X]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Death row transplant

Give him an organ transplant so that we can fry it on the chair? :disgust:

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Death row transplant

"In 1976, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that prisoners were entitled to the same medical and dental treatment as everyone else in their community. Prisons that withhold necessary care from inmates can be held liable for violating constitutional bans against cruel and unusual punishment."

Yet according to FFMCobalt "...if there's a law in place, everyone abides by it no matter what!" So whos to say the above law just wont be broken to give the organ to a person in need right?

This arguement is stupid... why am I wasting time...

 

[Wallydraigle]

By the way, I'm not a donor, but not because of a possible scenario like the one I posted above. If I were ever in that kind of trouble my life would probably be worthless to me anyway.

Stories like the one that Pliablemoose posted infuriate me. I won't be a party to it by letting that happen to my organs. If someone else more deserving doesn't get an organ because I choose not to donate, oh well, they're no worse off than if I had never been born anyway.

Also I don't want someone else's filthy organs inside my body. I don't chew gum I find on the street because I don't know where it's been. Why would I put someone else's organ in my body? If I'm that bad off anyway I'd rather just die.

 

[Babbles]

The article mentioned it, and I too thought that convicted felons lose certain constitutional rights.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Ranger X

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Death row transplant

Give him an organ transplant so that we can fry it on the chair? :disgust:

why cant we harvest people on death row, letting all those good organs go seems awefull.... waistfull