POLL: Legalizing Marijuana In The States, Are You 4 It? Or Against It

[Eli]

Originally posted by: optoman
We should legalize it but make a law that is like a DWI or DUI. Make the law super tuff so that the penalty would be time in jail or a ton of community hours for the first offense and gets worse for each offense after that. I don't know if they can test you for it like a breathalizer but I don't mind someone smokin up in thier own house.

I agree. It only makes sense, However... I believe that, and there have been studies done that show this.. that you actually drive more cautious when you're stoned.

Think about it. It makes you paranoid. You're not going to go flying down the road at 120mph, only to come to a turn and take out a telephone pole.. or worse, a person... lol

Even if it were legalized, drunk driving will kill far more people than stoned driving. You don't lose your mind(so to speak) when you're stoned. Your vision doesen't go wacked.

Infact, I propose that cannabis can be used to heighten your senses. When you get stoned and concentrate on a single thing, you'll often find that you can do that thing better.. unless you're an amature smoker.. lol

 

[Strych9]

Originally posted by: OmegaNauce

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Absolutely. As long as laws reflect moral and social condition for the masses, there must be consistency. Therefor, if liquor and tobacco are legal, then marajuana should be legal as well, and I have never, and I do mean NEVER, heard a legitimate argument against it. Thats because there is none.

That is a conservative stance of mine. Not a liberal one. The cost of incarcerating marajuana users exceeds the ability for many communities to deal with. Yet cops across the country will bust pot smokers because its a n easy bust and gets them(the cops) off the street and out of harms way for an evening of paperwork and a paid day in court to help the prosecutor who love easy pot cases.

The action in states seeking medical marajauna are not on the radar of this discussion. That is a different subject with different substantiating arguements.

If I recall, Alaska has the most liberal of the Marajuana laws, allowing for cultivation for personal use. possesion is good for a couple keys(?) or at least a couple lids.

By the way, I have smoked it, eaten it, cooked with it, and tasted about every kind in my day, and at this time I would not advise my children to use it or anyone else. It is an escape from reality,and can be dangerous if abused or if you drive under the influence. Punishment should be equal to that of current use of tobacco and booze is. But it damn sure has nothing to do with gateway,or anything else, and only serves to fill the pockets of neferious criminals who smuggle it in and profit illegally from it.

Grow it as a cash crop in the US, regulate its quantity AND QUALITY, tax it as is done for tobacco and alcohol. Heck, you pot smokers could probably rid the US of its national debt at the rate this minor drug is gaining popularity.

Your ignorance of police shines through here. The majority of police do not even bother with arresting a person based solely on posession of pot. When they do find the pot, it is usually because they were doing a pat down and found it, or saw it and were looking for something bigger. Many DA's today will not even bother to prosecute such laws because it is a waste of their time and the districts money. The police know this and thus, will choose to deal with it in an informal manner RATHER than do paperwork. I have yet to meet a cop that likes paperwork over going out.

Unless you live in Mayberry.....most urban police officers will dispose of the marijuana rather than charge you with it. It's just not worth the time and effort to charge someone.

 

[RU482]

can't you just do a search

 

[B00ne]

Marihuana used to be legal in the US and around the world, it was one of the most important cultural plant of mankind. Until in the beginning of the 20th century some "alliance" in the US started the outlawing. According to this film I saw it was a several factors and lobbies contributing to the outlawing in the US at that time and DuPont was supposed to be the driving force behind it. (because dope (hemp) was in the way of selling their newly developed artificila fibres. After that time there was only one other time that hemp was allowed to be used as it had been for ages (not as a drug) - in WWII when massive amounts fibres for ropes and all kinds of stuff was needed.

Dunno if any of this is true but it sounded reasonable and it wouldnt be the first time that some lobby managed to ban something or establish a myth about something to get their something in the light..


Anyway I am pro-legalizing - although I do anticipate alot of prblems with it in the beginning - especially preventing kids from access to it should be a difficult task.

 

[thomsbrain]

so which is better, intel or amd?
oh, and which is better foreign or domestic cars?
i was wondering if guns should have more controls?
should i vote republican or democrat?

 

[Kadarin]

I'm watching the O'Reilly Factor now on Fox, and they're talking about the initiative to legalize pot in Nevada, and they have a couple of guests on and they're talking about how this guy's wife was killed in a car accident by a driver who admitted to smoking pot. What O'Reilly did not ask was how this was any different from a DUI involving a fatality? By the same logic presented in this segment of the show, alcohol should be illegal...

Then again, O'Reilly presents little more than right-wing propaganda on his show (some of which I agree with, some I don't), so this is not surprise. It's just not journalism.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Yes and No

Yes ...
1. if used in moderation for recreation, It is not going to do terrible harm. Heck It would probably even be good for a person to mellow out and relax every now and again.
2. It should absolutely be legal for medical reasons ... examples, Glaucoma, Cancer (both for pain and to help with the appetite of those going thru Kemo), perhaps Mental illnesses?, Chronic Migraines and/or Pain.. It would be a very usefull medication for many patients.

No ...
1. because this is the real world, there are already enough people who abuse the hell out of it. I have known several people that smoked pot all the time and became total potheads. Over time they lost all ambitions and goals in life. All they really seemed to care about is getting wasted all the time. Also dont give me the BS about ignorant prejiduce, this is a legit reason

Limitations ...
1. Set a minimum age and enforce it ... dont let kids do it, wait until they grow up. Weed is not something that will help them at school (18? maybe 21?)
2. Find and enforce a method to ensure peoplo are not DWI on the stuff

so overall ... I guess I am for the Legalization of it, but with some restrictions

 

[spaceman]

100% in favor of it.
imo it is more ridiculous than prohibition of alcohol.

 

[IGBT]

Yes...but the pharmaceutical industry is pumping tons of money in maintaining status quo. They want you to buy their psychotropic drugs instead..even if they don't work or hurt you ie valium..prozak..all the over the counter crap that doesn't work. Existing drug industry hates marijuana.

 

[bGIveNs33]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Yes and No

Limitations ...
1. Set a minimum age and enforce it ... dont let kids do it, wait until they grow up. Weed is not something that will help them at school (18? maybe 21?)
2. Find and enforce a method to ensure peoplo are not DWI on the stuff

so overall ... I guess I am for the Legalization of it, but with some restrictions

Yea because that works soooooooooo well with alcohol.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
as long as its home grown sure. no need to fund nutty bad peeps across borders with drugs.

Which brings me to another point..

Being a lover of all plants(always have... one of my first books as a child was the 2200 page Encyclopedia of Organic Gardening..), I find it absolutely obsurd and disgusting that it's against the law to grow a plant.

What if I wanted to spin some yarn, or fry my hashbrowns in some home pressed hemp seed oil?

It's stupid.

yup, just give the tobacco farmers exclusive rights to grow it, can't be that different from cultivating tobacco. i'm sure they'd be more then happy to right now smoking is going down, and we're paying scum bags for our drugs because our stupid government likes it that way.

 

[murphy55d]

i dont care because i wont be smoking it either way.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Where's the "omg not another pot poll!" option?

nik

 

[WinkOsmosis]

I did a better poll, n00b. SEARCH.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: murphy55d
i dont care because i wont be smoking it either way.

really?


your the one paying for the extra agents wasting their time busting pot heads, your money is the money paying 30-60k a year babysitting potheads

 

[bGIveNs33]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: murphy55d
i dont care because i wont be smoking it either way.

really?


your the one paying for the extra agents wasting their time busting pot heads, your money is the money paying 30-60k a year babysitting potheads

And will be paying the same underage enforcement if it gets legalized.

 

[0roo0roo]

are you about to make the arguement that underage enforcement of legal drugs say tobacco and alcohol costs anywhere near as much as say something like pot which basically eventually funds scumbag cartels and terrorists?

enforcment costs the same as incarceration? on what planet?

go ahead.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Yes and No

Limitations ...
1. Set a minimum age and enforce it ... dont let kids do it, wait until they grow up. Weed is not something that will help them at school (18? maybe 21?)
2. Find and enforce a method to ensure peoplo are not DWI on the stuff

so overall ... I guess I am for the Legalization of it, but with some restrictions

Yea because that works soooooooooo well with alcohol.

which is why alcohol should be illegal and possession should land u in prison.

 

[MainFramed]

Originally posted by: hamburglar

Originally posted by: here4amission
the gasoline fuems kills brain cells...so does Marijuana -hey it should be legal-

So by this reasoning, anything that does harm to you should be legal?

like i said just some thoughts... not my opinion

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
I am pro-choice

BTW, do you believe in God?

yes i do

 

[bGIveNs33]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
are you about to make the arguement that underage enforcement of legal drugs say tobacco and alcohol costs anywhere near as much as say something like pot which basically eventually funds scumbag cartels and terrorists?

enforcment costs the same as incarceration? on what planet?

go ahead.

So if it cost more to punish the crime instead of prevent it we should just legalize it? You do have a valid point that the money spent on marijuan does go to the wrong places... and on those terms, I don't think I would be necessarily against legalizing it. It would create alot of jobs and more tax money to be spent... well, hopefully on useful things. I just see 13 year olds smoking it and I DO have a problem with that.

 

[bGIveNs33]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Yes and No

Limitations ...
1. Set a minimum age and enforce it ... dont let kids do it, wait until they grow up. Weed is not something that will help them at school (18? maybe 21?)
2. Find and enforce a method to ensure peoplo are not DWI on the stuff

so overall ... I guess I am for the Legalization of it, but with some restrictions

Yea because that works soooooooooo well with alcohol.

which is why alcohol should be illegal and possession should land u in prison.

Yea, Prohibition worked REAL well back in the 20's. Why don't you go back and read your post about where current marijuan funds end up and then come back and answer that question.

 

[MainFramed]

Originally posted by: redly1
can't you just do a search

i donno why dont you take your nef somewhere else?

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Where's the "omg not another pot poll!" option?

nik

just put it in there



i think that i am gonna take a stand on the "legalize it" side...i dont smoke it never have prolly never will, but i have to more to write about on this side.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Yes and No

Limitations ...
1. Set a minimum age and enforce it ... dont let kids do it, wait until they grow up. Weed is not something that will help them at school (18? maybe 21?)
2. Find and enforce a method to ensure peoplo are not DWI on the stuff

so overall ... I guess I am for the Legalization of it, but with some restrictions

Yea because that works soooooooooo well with alcohol.

which is why alcohol should be illegal and possession should land u in prison.

Yea, Prohibition worked REAL well back in the 20's. Why don't you go back and read your post about where current marijuan funds end up and then come back and answer that question.

i wuz pokin fun u know i know about prohibition, which was the point

So if it cost more to punish the crime instead of prevent it we should just legalize it? You do have a valid point that the money spent on marijuan does go to the wrong places... and on those terms, I don't think I would be necessarily against legalizing it. It would create alot of jobs and more tax money to be spent... well, hopefully on useful things. I just see 13 year olds smoking it and I DO have a problem with that.

i was just making the arguement for cost and you'd have to define crime. the need to punish assumes the crime is really bad. but is it? ethically its probably on higher ground then alcohol which leads to drunk drivers murdering people and getting off with wrist slaps its a question of consistency, pragmatism, and perhaps justice

 

[MainFramed]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Yes and No

Yes ...
1. if used in moderation for recreation, It is not going to do terrible harm. Heck It would probably even be good for a person to mellow out and relax every now and again.
2. It should absolutely be legal for medical reasons ... examples, Glaucoma, Cancer (both for pain and to help with the appetite of those going thru Kemo), perhaps Mental illnesses?, Chronic Migraines and/or Pain.. It would be a very usefull medication for many patients.

No ...
1. because this is the real world, there are already enough people who abuse the hell out of it. I have known several people that smoked pot all the time and became total potheads. Over time they lost all ambitions and goals in life. All they really seemed to care about is getting wasted all the time. Also dont give me the BS about ignorant prejiduce, this is a legit reason

Limitations ...
1. Set a minimum age and enforce it ... dont let kids do it, wait until they grow up. Weed is not something that will help them at school (18? maybe 21?)
2. Find and enforce a method to ensure peoplo are not DWI on the stuff

so overall ... I guess I am for the Legalization of it, but with some restrictions

i agree, just like alcohol and the tobaco products, we should have a set age where it becomes legal to use Marijuana.

- yes i know many people that throw there lives away because of pot...all they care about is getting wasted and high. there goals dissappear. but i know lots of people who do the same with alcohol...they cant live without it. all they care about is getting wasted. there goals float away.
there are thousands of people that abuse the hell out of alcohol like there are thousands that abuse the hell out of Marijuana.

- yea it is a postive drug for medical reasons to...i agree it should be legal there

 

[MainFramed]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I'm watching the O'Reilly Factor now on Fox, and they're talking about the initiative to legalize pot in Nevada, and they have a couple of guests on and they're talking about how this guy's wife was killed in a car accident by a driver who admitted to smoking pot. What O'Reilly did not ask was how this was any different from a DUI involving a fatality? By the same logic presented in this segment of the show, alcohol should be illegal...

Then again, O'Reilly presents little more than right-wing propaganda on his show (some of which I agree with, some I don't), so this is not surprise. It's just not journalism.

ya well people get killed from drunk drivers as well