Poll: Is the Geforce FX a flop?
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apoppin
Lifer
By definition - yes, the GF-DustBuster IS a failure.
1) Too Noisy
2) Too Big
3) Too Hot
4) Too Expensive
5) Too Slow
6) Too Late
and
7) Too Bad
I have spent over $200 modding my PC to be as quiet as it can be. There is no way in hell I'm gonna put a jet turbine in there, no matter how well it performs.
I voted for "Most likely, we will see when the final version is reviewed", since I don't wanna jump to conclusions, but unless nVidia can pull one bigass rabit out of their hat, yep.
dullard
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Well it seems pretty even with the competition (wins some, loses some). Just because you tie doesn't mean you lose. So technology wise, if the GeForce FX is a flop, the competition is a flop too...
It really comes down to pricing. If the Geforce FX was priced lower than the Radeon 9700 Pro, then it will be a great buy. But I highly doubt that will ever happen. So due to pricing, that model of the GeForce FX will be a flop (not due to technology).
It really comes down to pricing. If the Geforce FX was priced lower than the Radeon 9700 Pro, then it will be a great buy. But I highly doubt that will ever happen. So due to pricing, that model of the GeForce FX will be a flop (not due to technology).
if it were cheaper or about the same price along with as silent as the Radeon 9700 Pro then it would not have been a flop, just too late
It's not a flop, it's just that the paparazzi as usual expected way too much. This card was supposed to be released months ago yet people still expected another 9700Pro type win which simply wasn't going to happen. With the huge delay, it only increased the anticiptation that this card would be the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel. Unfortunately, the card wasn't delayed months so that it could be reengineered for super performance, or at least we should hope not or it really would be a flop.
GTaudiophile
Lifer
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Is it a flop? No... It delivers about the same performance (roughly speaking) as the 9700 Pro. And the price will have to match the 9700 Pro rather soon.
Is it less than everyone expected? Yes, definitely.
Is this a major victory for ATI? Yes, definitely.
Is it less than everyone expected? Yes, definitely.
Is this a major victory for ATI? Yes, definitely.
apoppin
Lifer
Actually that IS my definition of "flop" (victory for ATI, less than everyone expected).
I guess your definition of "flop" would very much depend on your "expectations".
As far as the "same" performance ' it IS. The 9700pro is an OLDER card, due for an IMMINENT refresh which will certainly - decisively - retain the performance crown for ATI at least until NV35 and likely 'till NV40.
ATI getting and KEEPING their crown MEANS Nvidia has FAILED (at least with THIS product - we ARE talking about the CURRENT GF-FX - not a "future' card).
What do you think of ATI being the graphics performance leader for a FULL year.? They actually did what AMD dreamed of doing to Intel (and may yet pull off with Hammer) when they beat them first to 1Ghz (imagine if AMD was able to RETAIN the crown and beat Intel to 2 and then 3Ghz . . . )
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It would be pretty tough for me to deem it a flop today other than from a marketing standpoint. I would not want to be a PR guy trying to sell this card to THIS crowd 6 months after it was intended. Even 6 months ago it may have been tough.
If they can't take the new technology and learn from mistakes in NV30's development so the first revision, or possibly the second, really finds a place to shine then it will have all been a flop IMHO.
If they can't take the new technology and learn from mistakes in NV30's development so the first revision, or possibly the second, really finds a place to shine then it will have all been a flop IMHO.
It will propably be a flop. And even if they manage to improve performance, I will NOT put one in by rig! The noise is insane! Have you heard the sound-clips??
The drivers for it are not final yet, but this is an obvious too late too little problem we have seen before.
I don't think I'll be buying FX "jet engine turbine" All of my vid cards to this point were nvidia based, now I'll get Radeon 9500Pro or 9700 Pro.
I don't think I'll be buying FX "jet engine turbine"
All of my vid cards to this point were nvidia based, now I'll get Radeon 9500Pro or 9700 Pro.Well it's too bad you won't your rig (assuming typo on my/by) but please link up these sound clips you're talkin about.
Thorin
Disclaimer: Everything below this lines assumes that nVidia won't pull that big rabit out of their hat, and that the FX stays about on parity with the R9700 Pro.
I don't considder it a flop cause of the performance, it's performance is nothing less than stellar, as is the R9700's, anyone who calls the performance of either card "bad" or anything like that needs to get his/her head examined.
I considder it a flop for the following reasons:
It's way late
It's heat/performance ratio, and it's noise/performance ratio sucks compared to the R9700 Pro, if it was on par with R9700 in these areas, it would merely be a late product that does what it's supposed to do, however it's not, it's hotter, noisier, and bigger than the R9700 with no great benefits to outweigh this.
It'll surely be more expensive.
So, in the end, it has no real benefits over R9700 but several quite severe drawbacks, hence I'd say it's a flop, especially for a company that has executed with such admirable perfection before.
I don't considder it a flop cause of the performance, it's performance is nothing less than stellar, as is the R9700's, anyone who calls the performance of either card "bad" or anything like that needs to get his/her head examined.
I considder it a flop for the following reasons:
It's way late
It's heat/performance ratio, and it's noise/performance ratio sucks compared to the R9700 Pro, if it was on par with R9700 in these areas, it would merely be a late product that does what it's supposed to do, however it's not, it's hotter, noisier, and bigger than the R9700 with no great benefits to outweigh this.
It'll surely be more expensive.
So, in the end, it has no real benefits over R9700 but several quite severe drawbacks, hence I'd say it's a flop, especially for a company that has executed with such admirable perfection before.
lol, nicely said. If it has arrived in August, it would have been on par with the 9700 (a bit faster, but noisier/bigger). Now...its a big nothing.Originally posted by: apoppin
By definition - yes, the GF-DustBuster IS a failure.
1) Too Noisy
2) Too Big
3) Too Hot
4) Too Expensive
5) Too Slow
6) Too Late
and
7) Too Bad
I looked at the pictures HardOCP back to back. I opened 2 different windows, each with a screen shot using full AA. To be quite honest, the gffx looked a hell of alot better. You guys should try it, you'll see what I mean. If you notice, the 9700 makes 3d images at a distance look blurry. I think they do this because it makes 3d objects look more realistic. It's my opinion ofcourse, but I like things to look sharp and crisp with full color. That's what the FX chip is doing in those screen shots.
All that said, the 9700 is still the better priced. It's so sad to see this happening Again. The same thing that happened to intel is happening to Nvidia. They are getting beaten because they put WAY to much effort into the product. Then ask way to much when it comes time to sell it. Amd isn't smashing intel or anything, but lets face it, the only reason amd is doing so well. Is because you can buy 3 AMD cpus for the price of 1 intel cpu. I just hope ATI and Nvidia stay alive. Because if one of them dies, we are all screwed.
That's my 2 cents, probably wasn't even worth that enh? :\
Ruckas-
All that said, the 9700 is still the better priced. It's so sad to see this happening Again. The same thing that happened to intel is happening to Nvidia. They are getting beaten because they put WAY to much effort into the product. Then ask way to much when it comes time to sell it. Amd isn't smashing intel or anything, but lets face it, the only reason amd is doing so well. Is because you can buy 3 AMD cpus for the price of 1 intel cpu. I just hope ATI and Nvidia stay alive. Because if one of them dies, we are all screwed.
That's my 2 cents, probably wasn't even worth that enh? :\
Ruckas-
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