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Is Ron DeSantis violating the 1A rights of Disney?

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HomerJS

HomerJS

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pcgeek11 said:
And I still say the same.




A rubber also prevents pregnancy, a medical condition that is associated with high rates of mortality and morbidity in women. It's a medical condition and doctors spend decades specializing in learning how to manage it. They also prevent numerous STD's.

Should they also be forced to provide you with rubbers?
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HL was not providing birth control. They were complying with the ACA on which birth control was included. It was up to the person to decide if they wanted to use it.

I guess if HL doesn't believe in blood transfusions, they should be able to deny that to people.
 
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A///

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Apart from leaving the state and leaving Floridian footing a 1B+ tax bill, I wonder what else the mouse mafia will do other than spending millions on lawyers and opponents to DeSantis. Millions might be cutting it short. They could throw a few billion at this from the couch cushions and drown the Florida tax payers in debts when DeSantis and Florida eventually lose and need to pay out damages.

pcgeek11 said:
Well I'm a Republican and I disagree.
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No one cares about your feelings. It's about the result of Citizens United. Go protest the result and get it overturned if you don't want corporations having a say.
 
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Brovane

Brovane

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In my opinion, what happened to Disney. Is no different than local government pulling a businesses alcohol license because they spoke out about something the local government was doing. Normally these cases are very difficult to prove. However in this case, there is multiple leading Republicans "on record" that this legislation was to punish Disney for speaking out about the "Don't Say Gay Bill" and supporting LGBT rights.
 
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eelw

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Alright, if being removed from approved towing list is a 1A violation, then removing this special exception is also. My main beef is there wasnt any constitutional right that Disney has this exception except being large enough and greased enough elected officials to be granted this.
 
Homerboy

Homerboy

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So let's say the courts find it to be a violation of the 1A. Then what? What's the punishment that could be assigned? I mean obviously things can be reverted and back to normal, but DeSantis get's his read meat thrown to his zealots.
 
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HomerJS

HomerJS

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Homerboy said:
So let's say the courts find it to be a violation of the 1A. Then what? What's the punishment that could be assigned? I mean obviously things can be reverted and back to normal, but DeSantis get's his read meat thrown to his zealots.
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I assume Disney pays some sort of taxes to the state of Florida. The punishment should be 1 year no taxes so the people of Florida pay the price and these idiot politicians will cease these frivolous actions
 
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thilanliyan

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Homerboy said:
So let's say the courts find it to be a violation of the 1A. Then what? What's the punishment that could be assigned? I mean obviously things can be reverted and back to normal, but DeSantis get's his read meat thrown to his zealots.
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Exactly...I don't imagine there would be any real consequences for him.
 
Zorba

Zorba

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Oct 22, 1999
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A/// said:
Apart from leaving the state and leaving Floridian footing a 1B+ tax bill, I wonder what else the mouse mafia will do other than spending millions on lawyers and opponents to DeSantis. Millions might be cutting it short. They could throw a few billion at this from the couch cushions and drown the Florida tax payers in debts when DeSantis and Florida eventually lose and need to pay out damages.


No one cares about your feelings. It's about the result of Citizens United. Go protest the result and get it overturned if you don't want corporations having a say.
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I heard a good idea. RCID should go take out $25B in bonds, then dump it all on the state. Start the next 25 years of infrastructure now.
 
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Pens1566

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Zorba said:
I heard a good idea. RCID should go take out $25B in bonds, then dump it all on the state. Start the next 25 years of infrastructure now.
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Bonus points if they can somehow use those funds to relocate some of their operations.
 
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ivwshane

ivwshane

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May 15, 2000
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eelw said:
Alright, if being removed from approved towing list is a 1A violation, then removing this special exception is also. My main beef is there wasnt any constitutional right that Disney has this exception except being large enough and greased enough elected officials to be granted this.
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You are missing a key part of why this is a 1st amendment violation in the clearest form possible. Government officials publicly declared they were retaliating against Disney for their “woke” comments. Had they ignored Disneys comments and gave some other bs reason why they needed to remove Disney’s special powers then it would be much harder to prove or even say this was a first amendment issue. Retaliation by government for what one says is a violation of the first amendment.

The only gray area is whether or not the courts will still view corporations as people.
 
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sactoking

sactoking

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Regardless of the comments by politicians that clearly paint this as retribution for speech, and thus a 1 Amendment violation, precedent from the "Muslim ban" is that a specious post hoc excuse with a minimal policy basis is enough to overwhelm the true causation and make the policy legal. Don't expect this to be overturned, the USSC will allow it to stand.
 
Zorba

Zorba

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Oct 22, 1999
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ivwshane said:
You are missing a key part of why this is a 1st amendment violation in the clearest form possible. Government officials publicly declared they were retaliating against Disney for their “woke” comments. Had they ignored Disneys comments and gave some other bs reason why they needed to remove Disney’s special powers then it would be much harder to prove or even say this was a first amendment issue. Retaliation by government for what one says is a violation of the first amendment.

The only gray area is whether or not the courts will still view corporations as people.
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Even without corporations being people, certain rights should still apply to them. Freedom of speech without retaliation being an obvious one. Just because a corporation isn't a person doesn't mean they should have to house troops, forced to work without payment, or have their property taken without due process. They should also be protected against unreasonable search.

It doesn't have to be black and white all rights or no rights.

The real problem with CU is that it defined money as speech, and that you couldn't put any limit on it for people and then corporations are people to fit this BS logic.
 
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Lezunto

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Greenman, I doubt Disney wants to move to North Dakota.

There will be weather related problems The average temperate there is 37 degrees in the northern part of the state to about 43 degrees in the southern portion

The ideal solution is to elected a different and fair-minded governor.
 
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brycejones

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Lezunto said:
Greenman, I doubt Disney wants to move to North Dakota.

There will be weather related problems The average temperate there is 37 degrees in the northern part of the state to about 43 degrees in the southern portion

The ideal solution is to elected a different and fair-minded governor and legislature.
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FTFY
 
ivwshane

ivwshane

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Zorba said:
Even without corporations being people, certain rights should still apply to them. Freedom of speech without retaliation being an obvious one. Just because a corporation isn't a person doesn't mean they should have to house troops, forced to work without payment, or have their property taken without due process. They should also be protected against unreasonable search.

It doesn't have to be black and white all rights or no rights.

The real problem with CU is that it defined money as speech, and that you couldn't put any limit on it for people and then corporations are people to fit this BS logic.
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That’s a really good point. Money=speech is the problem not corporations=people.

Thanks!
 
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nakedfrog

nakedfrog

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VRAMdemon said:
Ted Cruz is suggesting that Disney will soon have Mickey and Pluto going at it. Which is not only gay sex, but bestiality.


What is it with Republicans sexualizing everything you ask?

Well that is really the problem isn’t it. Probably the fundamental misunderstanding that conservatives have regarding homosexuality , that led to the don’t say gay bill, is that they entirely equate homosexual attraction with homosexual sex. They don’t make this mistake with regard to heterosexuality. When Belle falls for the beast, or robin hood frolics with maid Marion, its all perfectly age appropriate because its about love not about sex. However if you see a happy family with two dads holding hands, well you can’t really explain why they would do that without talking about sex in a way that would be inappropriate for 2nd graders.
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Cruz would be a great heel in professional wrestling.
 
nakedfrog

nakedfrog

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ivwshane said:
Why not? If an oil company comes out against climate change, should government not be able to force them to change their ways?

I know the concern is the abuse of power by government but companies exist for the public good and when that’s no longer the case, the remedy should be government action.

Or do you now support the SC ruling that corporations are now people?
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Wait, what? I thought their utmost duty was to serve shareholder's best interests?
 
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