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Is Ron DeSantis violating the 1A rights of Disney?


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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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There is no guarantee that Disney will get to wipe the $2B debt. I think Florida will try to pass some law requiring the "residents" of Reedy Creek aka Disney to assume ownership of the debt. Also there are some definitely downside of losing Reedy Creek like the following: paying property taxes(which could quickly exceed the 2B depending on what rate they negotiate with local government), following local building codes and labor laws, getting building permits, etc.
They already pay property taxes with no discount. RCID's building codes are much stricter than the state level and they do get building permits, which are all public record. Not sure of any local labor laws, but I doubt any of the localities around there have stricter ones and most of the WDW staff is union and makes well above minimum wage ($15/hr starting now).
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
54,167
6,763
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Uh... so now Mr. "Anyone who provides medical treatment to transgender people is a pedophile, so treatment will be made illegal" wants medical treatment to be provided to transgender people...?
No, it says "de-transition", so remove any gender-affirming care they're currently receiving.
 

VRAMdemon

Diamond Member
Aug 16, 2012
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Disney, like all megacorporations, just wants to be left alone to do business in Florida. It donates more money to Florida Republicans than Democrats mostly because they’re the ruling party. But DeSantis has gone full culture war in the runup to the 2024 presidential election, which means abandoning all veneer of ‘principled conservatism’ (whatever that is or ever was) and careening into performative outrage, cruelty, and exclusion. He’s been doing it for a couple years now, and to great effect. His star is rising.

In this particular case, Disney tried its normal tactic of making some vague disapproving corporate noises, but it didn’t work and there was massive employee backlash. The shift to blatant cruelty is going to make it difficult for any company that paints itself as inclusive (and Disney does) to tut-tut from the sidelines. I would love to see Disney just go “fuck it” and fund the bejeezus out of every Democratic candidate in the state, if only to make DeSantis head explode. Or see Disney shut down Disney World for “repairs”. Indefinitely and lay everyone off. Make a statement. “Fuck around and find out”. Of course that’s not going to happen as Disney is governed by a corporate board that won’t risk a nickel unless it’s guaranteed to bring in a dollar.

Florida GOP are basically adopting Putins style as a policy — your corporate privilege only sticks as long as you please dear leader and our party.

Of course they have the advantage of Disney having a large fixed sunk investment. Unlike the MLB all star game or a movie filming, they can’t just move away if they disagree. But it is going to be held as an example to other states to go ahead and go cruel, the corporations will eventually run out of places to boycott. They also are signaling to the communities, if you apply pressure to your employer/local government, we’ll punish THEM. It’s the “shut up and dribble the ball” writ large.

From what I understand - Estimates are that if Florida takes away Disney’s special status, it will amount to a $2200 per year tax increase for every family in that county.
 

VRAMdemon

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Aug 16, 2012
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Ted Cruz is suggesting that Disney will soon have Mickey and Pluto going at it. Which is not only gay sex, but bestiality.


What is it with Republicans sexualizing everything you ask?

Well that is really the problem isn’t it. Probably the fundamental misunderstanding that conservatives have regarding homosexuality , that led to the don’t say gay bill, is that they entirely equate homosexual attraction with homosexual sex. They don’t make this mistake with regard to heterosexuality. When Belle falls for the beast, or robin hood frolics with maid Marion, its all perfectly age appropriate because its about love not about sex. However if you see a happy family with two dads holding hands, well you can’t really explain why they would do that without talking about sex in a way that would be inappropriate for 2nd graders.
 
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HomerJS

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Feb 6, 2002
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Disney, like all megacorporations, just wants to be left alone to do business in Florida. It donates more money to Florida Republicans than Democrats mostly because they’re the ruling party. But DeSantis has gone full culture war in the runup to the 2024 presidential election, which means abandoning all veneer of ‘principled conservatism’ (whatever that is or ever was) and careening into performative outrage, cruelty, and exclusion. He’s been doing it for a couple years now, and to great effect. His star is rising.

In this particular case, Disney tried its normal tactic of making some vague disapproving corporate noises, but it didn’t work and there was massive employee backlash. The shift to blatant cruelty is going to make it difficult for any company that paints itself as inclusive (and Disney does) to tut-tut from the sidelines. I would love to see Disney just go “fuck it” and fund the bejeezus out of every Democratic candidate in the state, if only to make DeSantis head explode. Or see Disney shut down Disney World for “repairs”. Indefinitely and lay everyone off. Make a statement. “Fuck around and find out”. Of course that’s not going to happen as Disney is governed by a corporate board that won’t risk a nickel unless it’s guaranteed to bring in a dollar.

Florida GOP are basically adopting Putins style as a policy — your corporate privilege only sticks as long as you please dear leader and our party.

Of course they have the advantage of Disney having a large fixed sunk investment. Unlike the MLB all star game or a movie filming, they can’t just move away if they disagree. But it is going to be held as an example to other states to go ahead and go cruel, the corporations will eventually run out of places to boycott. They also are signaling to the communities, if you apply pressure to your employer/local government, we’ll punish THEM. It’s the “shut up and dribble the ball” writ large.

From what I understand - Estimates are that if Florida takes away Disney’s special status, it will amount to a $2200 per year tax increase for every family in that county.
Maybe DeSantis will revoke tax exempt status for churches that speak out his policies. That would be a nice clash.
 

Pens1566

Diamond Member
Oct 11, 2005
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It's amazing how quickly they can push through their fascist bullshit, but he they can never do anything to actually solve a problem.

Also just disgusting how they will pass any bullshit he asks for.
I was thinking about this type of thing the other day ... We're (americans) dealing with all this petty bullshit (CRT, "grooming", etc.) that just simply doesn't exist in any meaningful way to impact ANYONE at all. All while we have major, possibly catastrophic issues (climate, WW3, global pandemic, etc) that we do almost nothing about.

We're not a serious country anymore. Pack it up.
 

eelw

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Dec 4, 1999
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But why did Disney have this special status in the first place? Obviously a retaliatory reaction but is it really a 1A case? DeSantis isn’t suppressing Disney’s ability to speak out.
 
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Pens1566

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But why did Disney have this special status in the first place? Obviously a retaliatory reaction but is it really a 1A case? DeSantis isn’t suppressing Disney’s ability to speak out.
Because back in 1967 Disney was granted approval after they purchased much of the included land and petitioned for it.

And their 1A rights are being infringed if they make a political statement and then the state govt. takes steps to punish them for said statements. Especially obvious when a state Rep. is on record (multiple times) for saying it's a result of their "bad behavior".
 
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brycejones

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Oct 18, 2005
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Ted Cruz is suggesting that Disney will soon have Mickey and Pluto going at it. Which is not only gay sex, but bestiality.


What is it with Republicans sexualizing everything you ask?

Well that is really the problem isn’t it. Probably the fundamental misunderstanding that conservatives have regarding homosexuality , that led to the don’t say gay bill, is that they entirely equate homosexual attraction with homosexual sex. They don’t make this mistake with regard to heterosexuality. When Belle falls for the beast, or robin hood frolics with maid Marion, its all perfectly age appropriate because its about love not about sex. However if you see a happy family with two dads holding hands, well you can’t really explain why they would do that without talking about sex in a way that would be inappropriate for 2nd graders.
Step mother porn and cartoon dogs having gay sex. Ted Cruz is one kinky mofo.
 
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HomerJS

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But why did Disney have this special status in the first place? Obviously a retaliatory reaction but is it really a 1A case? DeSantis isn’t suppressing Disney’s ability to speak out.
You are when the government punishes you when you speak out.
 
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UNCjigga

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Dec 12, 2000
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Corporate speech is the only negative speech Republicans are afraid of, because it costs them $$$ which can cost them elections.

They stopped caring about John Q Taxpayer a decade or so ago. But corporations that speak out need to be dealt with, lest others dare to speak out.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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What corporations are silencing people?

People have become so coddled and entitled that they think ‘decline to publish your speech at my own expense’ means I’m silencing you.
You appear to refute the very notion that speech resides on the internet these days.
And want to haggle over who owns what, exactly. I believe that is missing the point.
Yet... when Republicans moved to their own platform, it was shut down by the host. If they built their own host, it would be shut down by the ISP. And would you doubt for a second that if they built their own network / ISP, it would be wholesale IP blocked by other ISPs? They face widespread attacks on their speech. And if you doubt that, just talk to someone. They will tell you they are regularly being silenced.

I say this as someone who sees the consequences, the inability of people to know truth from fiction, and I find myself wondering if Republican speech shouldn't be attacked. If it turns to falsehoods and propaganda... to do us harm. We may very well need these hostile engagements to prevent further spreading of a disease.

But I will not bury my head in the sand as to the importance of online speech, and what has already begun to occur with it.
 
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fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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You appear to refute the very notion that speech resides on the internet these days.
And want to haggle over who owns what, exactly. I believe that is missing the point.
Yet... when Republicans moved to their own platform, it was shut down by the host. If they built their own host, it would be shut down by the ISP. And would you doubt for a second that if they built their own network / ISP, it would be wholesale IP blocked by other ISPs? They face widespread attacks on their speech. And if you doubt that, just talk to someone. They will tell you they are regularly being silenced.

I say this as someone who sees the consequences, the inability of people to know truth from fiction, and I find myself wondering if Republican speech shouldn't be attacked. If it turns to falsehoods and propaganda... to do us harm. We may very well need these hostile engagements to prevent further spreading of a disease.

But I will not bury my head in the sand as to the importance of online speech, and what has already begun to occur with it.
I know they regularly say that, but you have to remember that they are lying. Republicans are not being silenced for their political views and opportunistic lying is central to their political strategy.


By treating their lies as factual you are burying your head in the sand because you miss their true objective. It is not free speech, it is privileged speech for the speech they agree with.

More importantly, you are saying that private parties have an obligation to publish other people’s speech at their own expense. By this logic I should be able to demand you take out an ad at your expense in your local paper espousing my views. If you decline to do this, I am being silenced. Do you agree?
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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You appear to refute the very notion that speech resides on the internet these days.
And want to haggle over who owns what, exactly. I believe that is missing the point.
Yet... when Republicans moved to their own platform, it was shut down by the host. If they built their own host, it would be shut down by the ISP. And would you doubt for a second that if they built their own network / ISP, it would be wholesale IP blocked by other ISPs? They face widespread attacks on their speech. And if you doubt that, just talk to someone. They will tell you they are regularly being silenced.

I say this as someone who sees the consequences, the inability of people to know truth from fiction, and I find myself wondering if Republican speech shouldn't be attacked. If it turns to falsehoods and propaganda... to do us harm. We may very well need these hostile engagements to prevent further spreading of a disease.

But I will not bury my head in the sand as to the importance of online speech, and what has already begun to occur with it.
You appear to refute the very notion that speech resides on the internet these days.
And want to haggle over who owns what, exactly. I believe that is missing the point.
Yet... when Republicans moved to their own platform, it was shut down by the host. If they built their own host, it would be shut down by the ISP. And would you doubt for a second that if they built their own network / ISP, it would be wholesale IP blocked by other ISPs? They face widespread attacks on their speech. And if you doubt that, just talk to someone. They will tell you they are regularly being silenced.

I say this as someone who sees the consequences, the inability of people to know truth from fiction, and I find myself wondering if Republican speech shouldn't be attacked. If it turns to falsehoods and propaganda... to do us harm. We may very well need these hostile engagements to prevent further spreading of a disease.

But I will not bury my head in the sand as to the importance of online speech, and what has already begun to occur with it.
So Parler and Truth is getting shut down all the time?
And posting something Orange Monkey will not get you permanently banned on those platforms?
Its like people with IQ’s build shit and then the monkey crew arrives and start bitching about their rights to other peoples stuff. Build your own shit then. Dont like Twitter go Truth. Please for the love of god go to Parler or whatevs. And drown in your own incompetence. (“you”, not you J)
 
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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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You appear to refute the very notion that speech resides on the internet these days.
And want to haggle over who owns what, exactly. I believe that is missing the point.
Yet... when Republicans moved to their own platform, it was shut down by the host. If they built their own host, it would be shut down by the ISP. And would you doubt for a second that if they built their own network / ISP, it would be wholesale IP blocked by other ISPs? They face widespread attacks on their speech. And if you doubt that, just talk to someone. They will tell you they are regularly being silenced.

I say this as someone who sees the consequences, the inability of people to know truth from fiction, and I find myself wondering if Republican speech shouldn't be attacked. If it turns to falsehoods and propaganda... to do us harm. We may very well need these hostile engagements to prevent further spreading of a disease.

But I will not bury my head in the sand as to the importance of online speech, and what has already begun to occur with it.
In real life, if a bar doesn't like your speech they can kick you out. If you are renting space and the landlord finds out you are promoting illegal activities they can kick you out. The first amendment protects against GOVERNMENT action not private action. It's right there in the same amendment, if only republicans would actually open their pocket constitutions.

And even the government can punish someone for promoting illegal activities, which is what Parlor was doing.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
14,712
11,705
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Imagine if Biden and the Dems pushed and passed specific legislation to to punish Tesla because Elon has talked shit about Biden and Democratic politicians. The media and the country would be going apeshit.

This country is fucked. Enjoy the little things in life while the fascists take over because it is inevitable at this point.
 

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