Poll: Is Ron DeSantis violating the 1A rights of Disney?

[fskimospy]

I'll be watching this one when it ends up in court. The state clearly isn't stopping Disney from saying whatever they want, but at the same time they are applying a financial hardship to the company for their political stand.

North Dakota. They could buy the entire state.

But applying financial hardship is a clear violation of the first amendment. The first amendment doesn’t just protect you from being thrown in jail for saying things the government doesn’t like - for example the fake ‘IRS scandal’ under Obama alleged conduct that would also violate the first amendment, selective auditing of conservative organizations based on their politics.

Conservatives are now arguing that Obama would have been perfectly within his powers to selectively audit conservatives for defying him. That seems like a bad idea for governance.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I'll be watching this one when it ends up in court. The state clearly isn't stopping Disney from saying whatever they want, but at the same time they are applying a financial hardship to the company for their political stand.

North Dakota. They could buy the entire state.

And that is a 1A violation.

1A isn't just about preventing speech 100%, but the state enacting barriers or punishing entities for speaking freely.

Imagine if democrats specifically raised the taxes on conservative outlets like fox, OAN, breitbart, etc. That doesn't prevent speech in its entirety, but it's 100% the government punishing entities for the speech they do make.

No question conservatives would (rightly) cry foul that it's a 1A violation.

So yes, Disney can bring a 1A case, and barring completely incompetent lawyers, would win.

 

[fskimospy]

And that is a 1A violation.

1A isn't just about preventing speech 100%, but the state enacting barriers or punishing entities for speaking freely.

Imagine if democrats specifically raised the taxes on conservative outlets like fox, OAN, breitbart, etc. That doesn't prevent speech in its entirety, but it's 100% the government punishing entities for the speech they do make.

No question conservatives would (rightly) cry foul that it's a 1A violation.

So yes, Disney can bring a 1A case, and barring completely incompetent lawyers, would win.

Right, under this idea it sounds like a lot of churches and businesses like Hobby Lobby are asking for a new special tax, just for them. Does anyone think that’s a good idea?

As a reminder to conservatives, liberals control most of the most important economic areas in the country. This could go south for you really fast. Fox News is based in New York. Maybe a 100% tax on their profits is appropriate?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Gotta be honest. I like the idea of Politicians being able & not afraid to lean on companies, particularly large companies.
I do not like how the sole purpose is to make himself look “tough”. Foolish waste of political capital.
I do not believe companies are people, this needs to be reined in. Disney corp has no human rights imo.

 

[fskimospy]

Gotta be honest. I like the idea of Politicians being able & not afraid to lean on companies, particularly large companies.
I do not like how the sole purpose is to make himself look “tough”. Foolish waste of political capital.
I do not believe companies are people, this needs to be reined in. Disney corp has no human rights imo.

Wait you think the government should punish companies for not supporting them?

 

[cytg111]

DeSantis is fucking over Florida for a 15 second DeSantis promo he figures will net him 0.1% advantage in an upcoming 2024 run.
If Disney cant keep the streets clean up to Disney standards, the brand is getting fucked… either this is rolling back or Disney is getting the fuck out of Florida…. and taking money taxes and jobs with it… one in e closer to a shithole state. Cause DeSantis is aaaaaall about himself…
When are you gonna learn about these narcissists?????

 

[ivwshane]

Wait you think the government should punish companies for not supporting them?

Why not? If an oil company comes out against climate change, should government not be able to force them to change their ways?

I know the concern is the abuse of power by government but companies exist for the public good and when that’s no longer the case, the remedy should be government action.

Or do you now support the SC ruling that corporations are now people?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Wait you think the government should punish companies for not supporting them?

No, but I don't think companies should have any special status based on their size or financial influence. Striking down self-governance is one thing as long as it applies statewide in all cases, including HOAs.

Targeting one company because they said something you didn't like is over the line.

 

[fskimospy]

Why not? If an oil company comes out against climate change, should government not be able to force them to change their ways?

I know the concern is the abuse of power by government but companies exist for the public good and when that’s no longer the case, the remedy should be government action.

Or do you now support the SC ruling that corporations are now people?

If the government thinks climate change legislation is a good idea it should pass it. Any attempt by the government to punish companies who dare to disagree is deeply wrong and no one should support it.

As far as corporate personhood goes if SCOTUS wants to revisit that I’m open to it but it should NEVER be allowed for the government to attack persons or businesses for not supporting them.

 

[eelw]

And that is a 1A violation.

1A isn't just about preventing speech 100%, but the state enacting barriers or punishing entities for speaking freely.

Disney will easily win if they sue DeSantis for this retaliation. But by him revoking their special status, it isn’t infringing on 1A.

 

[fskimospy]

Disney will easily win if they sue DeSantis for this retaliation. But by him revoking their special status, it isn’t infringing on 1A.

It is if he’s doing it to punish their speech, which he is.

 

[Jaskalas]

I'll address the other issues raised in a bit. They are fairly thick.
But I will say this.

If corporations have these 1a rights, then the actions of Florida are a clear violation.

 

[brycejones]

Disney will easily win if they sue DeSantis for this retaliation. But by him revoking their special status, it isn’t infringing on 1A.

If the state’s actions are not a first amendment violation then why would they easily win?

 

[Jaskalas]

If the state’s actions are not a first amendment violation then why would they easily win?

The state's actions, based on their stated intent, may easily be ruled as a violation of 1a rights, due to stated desire of combating Disney for political expression.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Too bad it will only be a slap down (maybe). This is so blatant, it warrants something stronger like criminal charges.

 

[brycejones]

The state's actions, based on their stated intent, may easily be ruled as a violation of 1a rights, due to stated desire of combating Disney for political expression.

No kidding but that wasn’t the question I was asking the poster I quoted.

 

[pcgeek11]

Wonder why he thinks it's cool to penalize people (Republican designation) who speak out against government policies? Hasn't what's going on in Russia shown everyone that is a bad idea?

The Walt Disney Company is not a people.

 

[Zorba]

Being that DeSantis AND NOW Florida are hostel to the Disney Corporation, I really don't know why Disney reacts by simply pulling out of Florida all together. How can it be in Disney's best interest to remain? And what further DeSantis horrors are yet to come? You really think that DeSantis will stop at this? Next, Florida will be suing Disney over the lost of tax revenue from the actions of DeSantis.

Sure, it would be a hard decision to leave Florida and costing a lot of money for Disney, but surely Disney could just pack up their tent and move away to a more friendly environment, a more receptive state. Like a state that could appreciate the tax and employment benefits of the Disney corporation. A state that might need a boost to its economy.

And... a state more centrally located, and more accessible to attract more Americans to attend. Surely some state would fit that bill? If Florida thinks they are too good for Disney and Mickey, then move away Disney. Dissemble Magic Mountain and move Magic Mountain to a more enchanted location, preferably a democrat controlled state.

If nothing else, Disney should at least seriously "threaten" such a move. For Disney to do the math and scope out alternative locations within other states. Like I said, sure it would be costly but Disney is far bigger than only a theme park. They have the movies and the merchandising, and world wide appeal.
Unscrew the bolts, disassemble the teacups, drain the Caribbean, and do what any self respecting corporate conglomerate would do, say F-U DeSantis and walk away.
WOULDN'T THAT BE LOVELY !!!!!!

HEADLINE:
Mickey leves Florida. DeSantis left holding the mouse droppings.

They probably have a sunk cost of over $100B or more in WDW. Plus the entire area has developed to support the 20M visitors a year. They are currently moving a lot of people from Cali to Florida, which they could stop.

 

[Zorba]

Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is consternating. Disney, nor any other corporation, should be granted governmental jurisdiction. Creating "rights" for corporations is also capitalist bullshit 101. So Desantis is carrying out a liberal agenda for horribly fascist reasons. Like grift was the word of the 2010s, Calvinball will be the word of this decade.

Technically it is it's own city, it just so happens that all of the residents are on Disney's payroll.

In this one specific case, I think it has benefited everyone (for reasons I've already posted in this thread).

 

[pcgeek11]

For posterity...

Think Hobby Lobby is just about 4 forms of birth control? Think again!

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-07-18/eden-foods-organic-pioneer-faces-boycotts-over-birth-control#r=rss In fact, Potter’s objections go farther than those that took the Hobby Lobby case all the way to the Supreme Court. The Greens refused to cover four kinds of birth control...

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And I still say the same.

Yeah his position on birth control is laughable, calling it not a health measure. It's a pill that prevents a medical condition called pregnancy, a medical condition that is associated with high rates of mortality and morbidity in women. It's a medical condition and doctors spend decades specializing in learning how to manage it.

A rubber also prevents pregnancy, a medical condition that is associated with high rates of mortality and morbidity in women. It's a medical condition and doctors spend decades specializing in learning how to manage it. They also prevent numerous STD's.

Should they also be forced to provide you with rubbers?

 

[Zorba]

Why not? If an oil company comes out against climate change, should government not be able to force them to change their ways?

I know the concern is the abuse of power by government but companies exist for the public good and when that’s no longer the case, the remedy should be government action.

Or do you now support the SC ruling that corporations are now people?

Exxon shouldn't be directly and solely targeted because they spoke out against Biden, no. Governments should not be able to retaliate against speech or petitioning. Otherwise, you'd see a whole lot of corporation really fast. "Endorse me, or I will double your taxes, and only your taxes." "You gave that guy a contribution, the AG will now investigate you endlessly."

 

[Zorba]

No, but I don't think companies should have any special status based on their size or financial influence. Striking down self-governance is one thing as long as it applies statewide in all cases, including HOAs.

Targeting one company because they said something you didn't like is over the line.

HOAs are generally non-profit corporations who's focus is on maintaining a neighborhood, complex, or building. They have no governmental powers.

 

[Zorba]

The Walt Disney Company is not a people.

Remember when republicans got way bent out of shape for years because Obama said he didn't agree with Citizen's United during the SOTU Speech? I do... But yeah, now that they want to punish a "woke" company, all of sudden Obama was right.

 

[Zorba]

And I still say the same.




A rubber also prevents pregnancy, a medical condition that is associated with high rates of mortality and morbidity in women. It's a medical condition and doctors spend decades specializing in learning how to manage it. They also prevent numerous STD's.

Should they also be forced to provide you with rubbers?

The pill is far more effective in practice and is a prescription drug. Insurance doesn't cover any over the counter medicine, which would include rubbers. We should make BC pills over the counter, and then your argument may have a point.

 

[HomerJS]

The Walt Disney Company is not a people.

According to Republicans, they are. I guess Obama should have taxed the shit out of Hobby Lobby because they had no right to speak out against the ACA