Poll: Is marijauana or alcohol more harmful for human consumption?

[Ruptga]

Gods, TechBoy, give it a rest. You can have all the right answers, but when you look like a rabid fanboy you simply don't have any credibility. And I say that agreeing 100% with that last post, too...

 

[Red Storm]

The poll results have temporarily restored my faith in ATOT's common sense.

 

[BudAshes]

Gods, TechBoy, give it a rest. You can have all the right answers, but when you look like a rabid fanboy you simply don't have any credibility. And I say that agreeing 100% with that last post, too...

To be fair to him the same people come and troll these threads every time. They use broken English and made up facts to explain why pot is evil and has these horrible side effects.

Then Hal comes into these threads and tells everyone how his one friend with schizophrenia's life was ruined by pot. Yeah I'm sure it was pot, not schizophrenia, that was the problem...

 

[Juddog]

To be fair to him the same people come and troll these threads every time. They use broken English and made up facts to explain why pot is evil and has these horrible side effects.

The sad part is that they spread these same lies when I was going to elementary school. Some kids that were gullible and wanted to be the teacher's pet actually believed it.

 

[Kadarin]

The sad part is that they spread these same lies when I was going to elementary school.

When I was in elementary school they told us that the pot available at the time was way way stronger than what everyone smoked back in the 60s. Of course, this was in the late 70s. From what I understand, they're still telling the same lies... If it were true then marijuana would be so ridiculously strong that it would be unusable.

The fact is, it gives you a buzz that's a bit different from the buzz you get from alcohol. And that's it.

 

[Ns1]

When I was in elementary school they told us that the pot available at the time was way way stronger than what everyone smoked back in the 60s. Of course, this was in the late 70s. From what I understand, they're still telling the same lies... If it were true then marijuana would be so ridiculously strong that it would be unusable.

This is actually 100% true, MJ of today is several leagues stronger than what was available previously due to a variety of factors: better genetics, growing methods, technology, etc. This is driven further by the insane demand for top shelf herb, which drives growers to produce more potent flowers constantly.

The divide is even greater if you enter the hash category, where tech has grown tremendously in the last decade.

There is definitely stuff out there which is "unusable" by n00bs.

 

[mnewsham]

There is definitely stuff out there which is "unusable" by n00bs.

Very much this, do not take a huge dab from an oil rig using wax/oil/honey (or any other concentrated form of cannabis) unless you know what you're doing and have plenty of experience.

 

[Ns1]

Very much this, do not take a huge dab from an oil rig using wax/oil/honey (or any other concentrated from of cannabis) unless you know what you're doing and have plenty of experience.

now you making me hungry.

 

[Broheim]

Alcohol can also trigger mental health conditions with some people; believe me I've seen it first hand.

oh I don't doubt that for a second, there really isn't any area where I consider weed to be worse than alcohol and overall weed isn't nearly as bad for you in the same relative amount.

the only downside I've experienced with weed that doesn't occur with alcohol is when you wake up the next morning and your asshole friends have eaten fucking everything in the kitchen.

 

[z1ggy]

I have to assume here that the poll refers to using these two substances in an excess amount, not casual or responsible manner.. Because it's obvious both are fine if used this way.

I think it's pretty obvious that alcohol is many times worse than pot is when used too much. Whether it's an accute one time binge, or at the level of dependency. My uncle is an alcoholic, and the guy steals from my grand mother, can barely hold a job down and has had vehicles repo'ed, etc.

There is no LD50 for pot. Pretty clear there is one for alcohol.

Alcohol can change people's personality. It can cause you to be a COMPLETELY different person. The worst pot will make you do is get a belly ache from eating too many Funions and cookies. You will be too lazy to go drive, and you won't want to beat your wife or fight somebody either.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Gods, TechBoy, give it a rest. You can have all the right answers, but when you look like a rabid fanboy you simply don't have any credibility. And I say that agreeing 100% with that last post, too...

I'll give it a rest when it's legal and there aren't dumbasses spreading reefer madness. Until then, the war rages on.

 

[Insomniator]

I've done some really stupid shit while drunk; yelling, fighting, almost getting arrested a few times etc.

While high... just eat and laugh a lot.

Its a shame because I really like drinking and really hate smoking, but there is no question alcohol is much more dangerous.

 

[brandonb]

Alcohol can change people's personality. It can cause you to be a COMPLETELY different person. The worst pot will make you do is get a belly ache from eating too many Funions and cookies. You will be too lazy to go drive, and you won't want to beat your wife or fight somebody either.

Actually MJ can change your personality as well. I had some friends in high school that once started smoking MJ several times per day ended up with quite a bit different personality. (We all started hanging out prior to high school) I couldn't hang out with them anymore because their values completely changed. Once they quit smoking, they reverted back to normal for the most part. But there was at least a year or two in there where the only thing that crossed their minds was smoking MJ, and their actions indicated it.

One of the kids I talked to after high school, the other not at all. The one I am still in contact with even to this day (20 years later) says he frequently if not daily, weekly longs for smoking MJ like he did back in HS, but at this point his wife wouldn't let him, and he doesn't. I'd say that is quite addictive if it crosses his mind daily or weekly. Any opportunity he can without his wife knowing, he takes advantage of it.

To me, they are equally as bad. Drugs are addictive and cause people to do strange things. MJ is not an exception to the rule.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Actually MJ can change your personality as well. I had some friends in high school that once started smoking MJ several times per day ended up with quite a bit different personality. (We all started hanging out prior to high school) I couldn't hang out with them anymore because their values completely changed. Once they quit smoking, they reverted back to normal for the most part. But there was at least a year or two in there where the only thing that crossed their minds was smoking MJ, and their actions indicated it.

I think his point was that alcohol can cause an acute dramatic shift in personality during one binge session. What you're describing sounds like kids going through a gradual change in personality during what's often considered their most formative years. That their behaviors, motivations and worldviews would be influenced by their habits is not really surprising.

One of the kids I talked to after high school, the other not at all. The one I am still in contact with even to this day (20 years later) says he frequently if not daily, weekly longs for smoking MJ like he did back in HS, but at this point his wife wouldn't let him, and he doesn't. I'd say that is quite addictive if it crosses his mind daily or weekly. Any opportunity he can without his wife knowing, he takes advantage of it.

I dunno, lacking more context or detail of your conversations, I could easily write that off as him not feeling he's allowed enough freedom/fun between his marriage and responsibilities. Sneaking a toke would be an easily accessible and concealable way to have a little personal bliss.

 

[Juddog]

Actually MJ can change your personality as well. I had some friends in high school that once started smoking MJ several times per day ended up with quite a bit different personality. (We all started hanging out prior to high school) I couldn't hang out with them anymore because their values completely changed. Once they quit smoking, they reverted back to normal for the most part. But there was at least a year or two in there where the only thing that crossed their minds was smoking MJ, and their actions indicated it.

Getting fat and lazy > getting your car smashed up and killing a random family on the road, or getting in a fist fight at the bar over something nobody will remember the next day.

My dad was an alcoholic and he went through different cars like nobody's business; occasionally the car would have some new dent or scratch on it (and by dent I mean the entire side being f'd up so that you could barely open the door) and he never remembered what the hell happened because he was blitzed while he was driving.

I've known some stoners that were drivers for various pizza places that had a completely clean driving record. Yeah they may become lazy and eat a lot more munchies but they don't get completely crazy / violent / nihilistic like alcoholics do. Worst case scenario they lose their job, sit around the house playing video games while eating a lot. An alcoholic will go and destroy his family / his life for no good reason other than he felt like it because he had a mood swing while drunk one day.

 

[JM Aggie08]

I'll give it a rest when it's legal and there aren't dumbasses spreading reefer madness. Until then, the war rages on.

:whiste::hmm:

 

[z1ggy]

I think his point was that alcohol can cause an acute dramatic shift in personality during one binge session. What you're describing sounds like kids going through a gradual change in personality during what's often considered their most formative years. That their behaviors, motivations and worldviews would be influenced by their habits is not really surprising.

Pretty much right on. I was in a fraternity in college, so I have experience with a few different drugs, pot and alcohol included. Pot NEVER made me fight random guys at parties for drinking "from my bottle" or piss myself. Besides the other terrible health repercussions from binge use, it just over all makes you act very differently. Pot for the most part just made me giggle, eat munchies and I somehow found robot chicken to be the best 15 minutes of my life.

Drink tons of alcohol one night = could change your life dramatically. Smoke tons of weed one night = you pass out after eating a bag of Doritos, half a pizza and some ice cream.

 

[AMDZen]

I wonder who the 12 idiots are

Make that 35 idiots. 12 of them clinically retarded, with 23 just semi retarded

 

[JMapleton]

These debates are so useless.

I don't think anyone here is saying pot is healthy for you anymore than alcohol is.

The question was, which is worse? The facts point to alcohol.

But that doesn't mean we should all go out and get stoned. Both are harmful and pointless (except for medical purposes).

 

[TallBill]

These debates are so useless.

I don't think anyone here is saying pot is healthy for you anymore than alcohol is.

The question was, which is worse? The facts point to alcohol.

But that doesn't mean we should all go out and get stoned. Both are harmful and pointless (except for medical purposes).

Some of us enjoy the mind altering affects. I happen to be one of those people and nothing that you can say will change that.

 

[Dirigible]

These debates are so useless.

I don't think anyone here is saying pot is healthy for you anymore than alcohol is.

The question was, which is worse? The facts point to alcohol.

But that doesn't mean we should all go out and get stoned. Both are harmful and pointless (except for medical purposes).

I don't think either is unhealthy in moderation. And both seem to provide benefits in addition to enjoyment, which is a significant benefit on its own.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Frankly if you include those as part of the debate you're likely to get more support. I think there are many people out there that are not inherently opposed to the idea, but absolutely hate certain aspects of it and would not support legalizing w/o the corresponding restrictions that go along with it.

I also hate tobacco smoke, but for me marijuana smoke is 100000x worse. Heck, I want to gag now just thinking about it.

Couple more years and you're going to need a barf bag any time you leave your house. It's happening.

 

[Ruptga]

Some of us enjoy the mind altering affects. I happen to be one of those people and nothing that you can say will change that.

Srsly, who doesn't enjoy even one mind altering thing? For a lot of people that thing is just a few glasses of wine, but some like to vape, some like an e-cig or a pipe, and so on.

Personally, I like to have a tall mixed drink once every month or two, and when it's an option I will go to a hookah bar about twice a month. There's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with relaxing and enjoying yourself from time to time.

 

[Gintaras]

Quit trolling. Trying to tell a bunch of smart people that pot is bad is going to get you laughed at. It's far less harmful than alcohol and people are better of using a little weed at the end of their day than drinking a little wine. You certainly can't argue it's any worse unless you want to make up facts and make an ass out of yourself.

Usually, I don't argue with an idiot, because, an idiot would bring me down to his level and would beat me with an experience...

FACTS?
Marihuana is a gateway to harder drugs...alcohol is alcohol - beer, wine, vodka or scothch or cognac...

FACTS? Who of famous people have died of alcohol overdose or committed suicides?

Bon Scott(AC/DC) - died of alcohol - vommiting to his own lungs...Brian Connoly(The Sweet)...David Byron(Uriah Heep) - for drinking too much...

As for drugs - list is never ending: Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, Janis Joplin, Tommy Bolin, an on asnd on and on...

Ask Alice Cooper, what is worse. He didn't do drugs but used to drink a couple of bottles of whiskey a day...Still alive and can perform...

Ask Ozzy Osbourne..if you'll be able to ask or he even could be able to answer - what does it mean to mix drugs with an alcohol...

How often do you hear even young people commit suicides over drug use and how often do you hear same over use of alcohol?

THESE ARE THE FACTS...

"a bunch of smart people"?
Haven't met yet in person a smart pothead, however, I do know a lot of people who can drink a lot, behave and some are pretty rich businessman...

I did drink barrels(not gallons) of vodka in my whole life, I'm 50 now...and in my job I deal with 4000 items in warehouse...I could pinpoint any item in a seconds...
Do potheads have same memory?

I don't ask many questions on here about computers, excel...etc...I could figure out it myself...vodka is bad?

Even Tobacco/Cigarette addiction can be much worse than to alcohol...

OP - potheads just using an excuse to their addiction - THERE ARE MORE HARM DONE BY USAGE OF ALCOHOL...drugs are ok...

It isn't so....

A FACT....

 

[Ns1]

Usually, I don't argue with an idiot, because, an idiot would bring me down to his level and would beat me with an experience...

FACTS?
Marihuana is a gateway to harder drugs...alcohol is alcohol - beer, wine, vodka or scothch or cognac...

FACTS? Who of famous people have died of alcohol overdose or committed suicides?

Bon Scott(AC/DC) - died of alcohol - vommiting to his own lungs...Brian Connoly(The Sweet)...David Byron(Uriah Heep) - for drinking too much...

As for drugs - list is never ending: Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, Janis Joplin, Tommy Bolin, an on asnd on and on...

Ask Alice Cooper, what is worse. He didn't do drugs but used to drink a couple of bottles of whiskey a day...Still alive and can perform...

Ask Ozzy Osbourne..if you'll be able to ask or he even could be able to answer - what does it mean to mix drugs with an alcohol...

How often do you hear even young people commit suicides over drug use and how often do you hear same over use of alcohol?

THESE ARE THE FACTS...

"a bunch of smart people"?
Haven't met yet in person a smart pothead, however, I do know a lot of people who can drink a lot, behave and some are pretty rich businessman...

I did drink barrels(not gallons) of vodka in my whole life, I'm 50 now...and in my job I deal with 4000 items in warehouse...I could pinpoint any item in a seconds...
Do potheads have same memory?

I don't ask many questions on here about computers, excel...etc...I could figure out it myself...vodka is bad?

Even Tobacco/Cigarette addiction can be much worse than to alcohol...

OP - potheads just using an excuse to their addiction - THERE ARE MORE HARM DONE BY USAGE OF ALCOHOL...drugs are ok...

It isn't so....

A FACT....

lol

Here's a fact for you:

Smoking and drinking kill 900,000 people a year in Russia, the world’s second-largest market for cigarettes and alcohol, according to official estimates.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ka-as-lifestyle-death-toll-nears-million.html

anyway, you're either trolling or lack critical thinking skills, so I'll stop responding to you now.