i'm not really friends with the violent types, so i guess this is a theoretical question at best -- for me at least. my best friend is my husband, and if anyone attacked him out of the blue, you'd bet that i'd be right next to him helping out.
Okay, well, it's not always right. But more often than not, you should step in - to take it down a level.
There was a real big brawl here at a bar. It started as a 1v1. Then the losing side's buddy jumped in, but not to pull it apart, to make it 2v1. Which the other side didn't like, making it 2v3. Other side's friends don't like that. 6v3. Repeat. 6v9. Half a bar vs Other half of bar, less any spectators.
Moral of the story? Intervene to go in the opposite order - take the 2v1 down to a 1v1, and then break that up.
- M4H
The first step is to try and stop it as many have said. But if a punch was thrown, I would be in there right away. I figure my friends would do the same.
If my friend got into a fight for the "right" reasons, then yes irregardless.
If otherwise, I would try to get him out of it first; then I'd tell them to be the bigger person and fvck off before I make them my problem.
If otherwise, I would try to get him out of it first; then I'd tell them to be the bigger person and fvck off before I make them my problem.
slightlyhuman
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Depends entirely on the situation. In a blameless attack, or attack against an innocent, dang right I'm stepping in. If my 'friend' had it coming, then he's prolly on his own.
Case in point: In high school I had a notorious smart-a$$ friend who never learned when to let things go. He finally pushed one of the school bully types too far during class. When this guy came to my friend after class to start a fight, my friend turned to me and said 'little help here'. I had no choice but to shrug at him and say "Dude, I'm sorry, but you need to learn to finish the things you start. Don't worry, I won't let him kill you." However, during the fight when a friend of the bully tried to step in to hold my friend for the beating, THEN I jumped in and dropped that guy. It's one thing to learn a lesson, but it needs to stay somewhat fair.
It's NEVER ok to fight unless you've exhausted every other alternative. Not only is it inherently wrong, there's too much chance of escalation. You fight when you absolutely must, and no other time.
Case in point: In high school I had a notorious smart-a$$ friend who never learned when to let things go. He finally pushed one of the school bully types too far during class. When this guy came to my friend after class to start a fight, my friend turned to me and said 'little help here'. I had no choice but to shrug at him and say "Dude, I'm sorry, but you need to learn to finish the things you start. Don't worry, I won't let him kill you." However, during the fight when a friend of the bully tried to step in to hold my friend for the beating, THEN I jumped in and dropped that guy. It's one thing to learn a lesson, but it needs to stay somewhat fair.
It's NEVER ok to fight unless you've exhausted every other alternative. Not only is it inherently wrong, there's too much chance of escalation. You fight when you absolutely must, and no other time.
sourceninja
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I've had something similar happen. My solution, was to hit the first guy slightly with the car. He moved. 2 miles an hour is enough to make someone think about what a Chevy pickup can do to their body.
As for best friend fighting. I had my bachelor party this weekend. After the bar closed a fight broke out between my best man's best friend and some guys. He jumped in and started to help even the odds (2v5 or 6)
I waited until I had to jump in, and only then to end the conflict and get my best man to the car, not to fight. I only hurt the people who attempted to get between me and my best man, and attempted to stop us from leaving. I'm not a big guy (5'9" maybe 180 pounds), but I've had hand to hand combat training from age 5 (BJJ) and I'm currently going to krav maga classes for aerobic exercise and MMA for fun on the weekends. I was also so drunk that I dont even remember saving my friend. But I was told that after I took my friend in some form of arm lock to the truck and though him in and then got in that the police came and arrested everyone still on the street for drunk and disorderly. So would I fight for anyone? No. I will disarm a situation by removing my friend, forcefully if needed. Fighting is reserved only for when life is in danger (a bar fight doesn't meet this, the police were on their way, and no knifes or guns).
If you have to fight, you have already lost, no matter who gets hurt. Your most likely going to jail or on someone's revenge list. Its best to walk away and keep your head down.
I'm 6'9" and well over 300lbs... I'm completely incapable of imagining what you "norms" would think when confronted with a fight. I can just tell you that I would never shy from a fight to protect one of my boys, unless he completely provoked it, at which point, I'd just try to get him out of it. Really, unless someone is REALLY wasted, they're not going to fight me anyway. If my friend had to fight with a guy that called his gf and that guy had a friend with him, I'd just look at the other guy and say, "What do you say you just stand there and we let them fight it out, eh?"
If my friend was an idiot, and was the cause of the fight, I'd try to break it up without throwing a punch. If I got hit, then there's going to be hell to pay.
If my friend wasn't the idiot, and the two other kids started the fight, you can make damn sure that those kids are gonna leave bloody and broken courtesy of me and my friend.
If my friend wasn't the idiot, and the two other kids started the fight, you can make damn sure that those kids are gonna leave bloody and broken courtesy of me and my friend.
By the time I got drunk enough to consider starting sh*t with a walking house, I'd be passed out.
- M4H
I'm one of the people who by your definition is "lower than sh*t." because any friend who let's their best friend even get into a fight over a little verbal abuse isn't that great of a friend IMO. In my younger days I got into a couple of fights over stupid crap like that but only because there was alcohol involved..usually lots of alcohol.
If my buddy got jumped for no apparent reason, thats a different story altogether. I've just seen to much really bad sh*t happen during fights...in street fighting there are no rules and you never know who's a freakin psycho with a gun/knife/bat/etc.. I'm a big guy (6'2" 230 lbs), and if a couple guys my size get into a fight one or both are going to the hospital and one or both going to jail. I don't know about you but I'm not fond of either place.
If put into a situation where a fight is inevitable these are the rules in my book... 1) Hit em first, 2) Hit em Hard, 3) Kick em while they're down, and last but not least 4) Get the hell outta there ASAP
Schadenfreude
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LOL, I just about choked on my cereal reading that one.Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
By the time I got drunk enough to consider starting sh*t with a walking house, I'd be passed out.
- M4H
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: JackBurton
That's because the people attacking him sucked. Belts mean very little.
I sort of agree with this, especially in fighting....you have better fighters than others at various levels.
Before I entered martial arts I was a decent fighter, I was a cocky honor student, about 175/180lbs at the time in decent shape at 5'10". I got in a few fights 2 on 1 usually with college guys as an underage bar patron
When I got into martial arts and only around blue belt I was regularly beating the basic black belts...those that just go to class and don't really care. There was a 3rd degree though that really no one could beat, he openly competed as well even overseas (full contact not point based)...those are the kinds of guys that are just different.
Fortunately most people think they are badasses due to watching XFC or whatever and especially when drunk easy to subdue.
I can agree, I suppose. At yellow-stripe (white, yellow, yellow-stripe, green, green-stripe, blue, blue-stripe, red, red-stripe, brown, brown-stripe, poomse, black), I was beating two specific 2nd-Dan students at once on full-contact Fight Night.
Schadenfreude
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: JackBurton
That's because the people attacking him sucked. Belts mean very little.
I sort of agree with this, especially in fighting....you have better fighters than others at various levels.
Before I entered martial arts I was a decent fighter, I was a cocky honor student, about 175/180lbs at the time in decent shape at 5'10". I got in a few fights 2 on 1 usually with college guys as an underage bar patron
When I got into martial arts and only around blue belt I was regularly beating the basic black belts...those that just go to class and don't really care. There was a 3rd degree though that really no one could beat, he openly competed as well even overseas (full contact not point based)...those are the kinds of guys that are just different.
Fortunately most people think they are badasses due to watching XFC or whatever and especially when drunk easy to subdue.
I can agree, I suppose. At yellow-stripe (white, yellow, yellow-stripe, green, green-stripe, blue, blue-stripe, red, red-stripe, brown, brown-stripe, poomse, black), I was beating two specific 2nd-Dan students at once on full-contact Fight Night.
Wow. Your schools must've sucked.
Violence is always the last resort in that it solves everything. It just comes sooner if you don't bother trying any other methods first.
BurnItDwn
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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
By the time I got drunk enough to consider starting sh*t with a walking house, I'd be passed out.
- M4H
A :beer: for the both of you. (A pitcher of beer for the "walking house" of course, since I imagine a normal sized glass would be like a shot glass to you
)
alkemyst
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Originally posted by: Jehovah
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: JackBurton
That's because the people attacking him sucked. Belts mean very little.
I sort of agree with this, especially in fighting....you have better fighters than others at various levels.
Before I entered martial arts I was a decent fighter, I was a cocky honor student, about 175/180lbs at the time in decent shape at 5'10". I got in a few fights 2 on 1 usually with college guys as an underage bar patron
When I got into martial arts and only around blue belt I was regularly beating the basic black belts...those that just go to class and don't really care. There was a 3rd degree though that really no one could beat, he openly competed as well even overseas (full contact not point based)...those are the kinds of guys that are just different.
Fortunately most people think they are badasses due to watching XFC or whatever and especially when drunk easy to subdue.
I can agree, I suppose. At yellow-stripe (white, yellow, yellow-stripe, green, green-stripe, blue, blue-stripe, red, red-stripe, brown, brown-stripe, poomse, black), I was beating two specific 2nd-Dan students at once on full-contact Fight Night.
Wow. Your schools must've sucked.
Marital Arts are not the only way to learn to fight, you do realize that right?
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