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Poll: Howard Dean vs George W. Bush

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Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

IF the economy continues to improve (and if Iraq doesn't blemish him too much), people will vote for Bush regardless of party affiliation
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From the article I linked above...

But surely the fact that Bush is now a proven president running for reelection changes everything? Sort of. Bush is also likely to be the first president since Herbert Hoover under whom there will have been no net job creation.
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The economy does seem to be recovering, but so far, it has been largely a jobless recovery. The stock market can be at 15,000, and nothing but good news coming from the corporate sector, but if you are one of the millions who lost their job under Bush's term, and still are in no better shape, all the positive numbers are meaningless to you.
 
Howard Dean all the way!!!!!!!!

At least, compared to Bush.

If vote for 1000 Clintons before I would vote for Dean. But at least he makes more sense than Bush.

He WILL learn to moderate. All leaders do. They have to in order to survive.
 
Come again? Jobless rates have been on a decline nationwide since March- who are you getting your news from, Aaron Brown? We're experiencing the beginning of a full economic turnaround, and things are going better in Iraq than most know. President Bush, who is enjoying a full majority nationwide of support in job approval ratings lately, is the man. And you liberals just can't stand it. The goodwill, the power, the success and the virtue of he and his Administration to keep American citizens like most of you safe and free. Nobody realizes how much security is being kept up by The Bush Administration's actions- if it wasn't for the level of outlook and regard we've received for the last two years plus, under any other candidate for President, we'd be screwed.

At the rate everything is going right now, I guarantee that we'll be seeing another five years of him, and I'm greatly looking forward to it. Why stifle everything happening right now that is good with electing a newbie, smack-talking, Bush-hating, pro-pacifist Democrat at a time like this?? Liberalism will continue to experience the necksnapping fling of the Republican's inertial power for years to come- I suggest you get used to the idea. The left is the true miserable failure, so enjoy your associations with them.
 
Originally posted by: SynthesisI
Come again? Jobless rates have been on a decline nationwide since March- who are you getting your news from, Aaron Brown? We're experiencing the beginning of a full economic turnaround, and things are going better in Iraq than most know. President Bush, who is enjoying a full majority nationwide of support in job approval ratings lately, is the man. And you liberals just can't stand it. The goodwill, the power, the success and the virtue of he and his Administration to keep American citizens like most of you safe and free. Nobody realizes how much security is being kept up by The Bush Administration's actions- if it wasn't for the level of outlook and regard we've received for the last two years plus, under any other candidate for President, we'd be screwed.

At the rate everything is going right now, I guarantee that we'll be seeing another five years of him, and I'm greatly looking forward to it. Why stifle everything happening right now that is good with electing a newbie, smack-talking, Bush-hating, pro-pacifist Democrat at a time like this?? Liberalism will continue to experience the necksnapping fling of the Republican's inertial power for years to come- I suggest you get used to the idea. The left is the true miserable failure, so enjoy your associations with them.
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What happened to Republicans being fiscally conservative? As for jobs, I never said jobs weren't being added, just that the number that have been added still have not come anywhere near the amount lost since GWB took office...hence the comments by the conservative, republican about "no net job creation". Someone's been listening to too much Ann Coulter.
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Republican's inertial power...ROTFLMFAO.

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Keep rolling those eyes- you'll need the practice as you get increasingly sick from the forthcoming five years of Vast Right Wing Conspiracy success. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: SynthesisI
Come again? Jobless rates have been on a decline nationwide since March- who are you getting your news from, Aaron Brown? We're experiencing the beginning of a full economic turnaround, and things are going better in Iraq than most know. President Bush, who is enjoying a full majority nationwide of support in job approval ratings lately, is the man. And you liberals just can't stand it. The goodwill, the power, the success and the virtue of he and his Administration to keep American citizens like most of you safe and free. Nobody realizes how much security is being kept up by The Bush Administration's actions- if it wasn't for the level of outlook and regard we've received for the last two years plus, under any other candidate for President, we'd be screwed.

At the rate everything is going right now, I guarantee that we'll be seeing another five years of him, and I'm greatly looking forward to it. Why stifle everything happening right now that is good with electing a newbie, smack-talking, Bush-hating, pro-pacifist Democrat at a time like this?? Liberalism will continue to experience the necksnapping fling of the Republican's inertial power for years to come- I suggest you get used to the idea. The left is the true miserable failure, so enjoy your associations with them.
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wow...you're an idiot. how's that for smack-talking?

you're right tho, i feel so much more secure now that saddam is gone. I mean...if he hadn't been gone imagine how much more terrorism we'd have to deal with?!?! oh sh!t, saddam really has no ties to terrorism, and since his departure terrorism has increased. Now the terrorism exists in iraq as well (more so than before). and targets american soldiers. so..um....bush can suck it for provoking terrorism in effort to make a bunch of rich a$$holes who are more cruel than saddam, richer.

as for the miserabule failure -- even google disagrees w/ you.
 
Originally posted by: SynthesisI
Keep rolling those eyes- you'll need the practice as you get increasingly sick from the forthcoming five years of Vast Right Wing Conspiracy success. 🙂
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Pork hidden in big budget bill

CORALVILLE, Iowa ? One congressman wants $50 million to build a tropical rainforest in Iowa. Another wants $225,000 to repair a swimming pool he and friends clogged with tadpoles when they were kids in Nevada. In Illinois, it?s the restoration of a historic mule barn. In Texas, an oil museum. They?re all part of the year-end spending bill in Congress, a $373 billion package that critics say is packed with pork-barrel projects at a time Congress should be worried about soaring budget deficits.

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Last week, Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, persuaded key lawmakers to set aside $50 million for the rainforest project in Coralville, just outside Iowa City. Organizers call the project an unparalleled opportunity to teach children the wonders of the jungle, showcase clean energy concepts and boost the local economy by drawing tourists from across the Midwest. It would including a 20-story translucent dome.

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Rep. Jim Gibbons, R-Nevada, says his swimming-pool project has more to do with polliwogs than pork.
He says he and some friends were responsible for clogging the drain with tadpoles, causing the pool to be temporarily shut down in the 1950s. He expects Congress to approve the $225,000 to repair the 61-year-old pool in the working-class neighborhood where he grew up in Sparks.
?I have an enormous guilty conscience for putting frogs in the swimming pool when I was about 10 years old,? he said.
Like others who defend the federal money they secure for pet projects, Gibbons is not ashamed to elbow his way to the federal trough on behalf of his constituents.
After all, he reasons, everybody else in Congress does it. And if he didn?t, the money would go to somebody else?s district.
?This is a very meritorious project, one that I am not embarrassed about at all,? he said in a telephone interview Thursday from Las Vegas.
Anti-pork crusaders are unmoved.
?Every town in the country has a public swimming pool. If every one of those got $225,000 from the federal government, that?s how you end up with a $500 billion deficit,? Schatz said.
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Yeah, thank god we don't have dems in there wasting money...
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I think the thing going for Dean is that he is not Bush. Most of the other guys are just a repackaged Bush, while Dean is definitely not. It will be tough for him to win but you shouldn't count him out yet.
 
Originally posted by: SynthesisI
Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Voting for Dean would be like wasting your vote.
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And that's an understatement! I've come to respect moderate, level-headed Democrats, but c'mon, all of their candidates this time around are just a bunch of hapless sots- they're so baseless and laughable it's not even funny. I can't even fathom any of them in charge of the United States. Actually, I can. And it's downright scary. Some of them I wouldn't even want as representatives or senators! The only ones I have any scrape of respect for are Kerry and Lieberman. The others are jokes. And Kunich, or whatever his name is, is just mental.

I am going to be very shocked and questioning the intelligence of ATOT if extremely-liberal Dean, algore's new pet, even remotely pulls ahead in our little poll here.
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and here is why you CAN fathom it. because the republican candidate does about as good a job as a freakin ape. At any rate, this upcoming election will be like voting for the lesser of the two evils imho.
 
I quit voting for a president and started voting against the worst one, (if he had a good chance of winning)
by voting for his opposition who has the best chance of beating him.

In the next presidential race, what I don't want in a president is:
One who runs up the national debt. (it's actually devistateing on us & our kids.)
One who increases the seperation between the rich & poor.
One who thinks that we can trade freedom for security.
One who supports the drug war.
One who can't sepperate church & state.
One who wants to take a way a womans right to choose. (abortion)
One who thinks the trickle down theory actually works.
A war monger.
ETC.

With Bush we will get all those things and more.
He would be starting more wars with other countries RIGHT NOW if he could.
Money shortage and upcomming elections are in his way.
But if he get's reelected, he will be America's biggest war monger in history.
When his brothers daughter got in drug trouble, he stated "she needs help" but for our kids
he thinks zero tollerance is the ticket.
When religions have armys they kill each other as history has proven.
Bush stated that he's not going to get involved in a religious war, then said let us prey, then anounced how his war plans were comming along. His preyer wasn't much more than our god will kill your god.
He's a stupid alcoholic, or atleast has that appearance to me since I've ran into many alcoholics in the past
and he has those charistics.
Plus reality is not faith based.
You can be gaurenteed that his kind of cut throat politics will put your tax money in his buddies pockets.
The list just goes on, but if Dean has the best chance of getting Bush out of office, I'M VOTING FOR DEAN.

 
I proudly voted for Gore in 2000 and I will proudly vote for the Democratic ticket in 2004. A Dean/Clark ticket would be AWESOME.

GWB has been a disaster IMO.
 
I saw a poll yesterday (cant remember if it was on MSN or AOL or Yahoo..) but anyway it was the same exact poll, bush vs. dean. There were over 300,000 votes and bush was up something like 65% to 30% (5% not having an opinion). Just some food for thought
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Leaning towards Dean, but need to know more about him before I decide.
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Whatever you find out about him may change soon after...

The Flip-Flops of Howard Dean
  • In 1992, Dean said, "I don't support the death penalty... In early June 2003, Dean issued a statement declaring, "As governor, I came to believe that the death penalty would be a just punishment for certain, especially heinous crimes, such as the murder of a child or the murder of a police officer.

    On Feb. 28, 1995, Dean said on CNN's Crossfire that Social Security "absolutely" needed to "increase the retirement age..." on Aug. 5, 2003, Dean said, "I have never favored Social Security retirement at the age of 70, nor do I favor one of 68."
Dean's flip-flop on American Indian casinos could have an impact in New Mexico
  • In November, Dean addressed the National Congress of American Indians meeting in Albuquerque, touting his enthusiastic support for casino gaming for federally recognized tribes... then successfully fought against the Istook bill, calling the proposal "unjust and unnecessary."
Top 10 Howard Dean flip-flops
  1. North Korea
  2. Social Security retirement age
  3. Public Financing and Campaign Spending Limits
  4. U.S. trade standards
  5. U.S. policy on the Cuban trade embargo
  6. "Regime change" in Iraq
  7. Death penalty
  8. Repealing Bush's tax cuts
  9. Troop deployment in Iraq
  10. Civil liberties in a post-9/11 America
Yes. I mean no. Errr... Yes. No. Yes! No. How is that inconsistent?
  • In an NRA questionnaire Dean filled out in 1992, he said he "opposed any restrictions on private ownership of assault weapons." Last spring, he flip-flopped, saying:

    "I support the assault weapons ban, I support reauthorization of the assault weapons ban...because I never met a hunter who needed an AK-47 to shoot a deer."

    This week, he flip-flops again.

    "We've got to get guns off the national agenda ? it is not a national problem, it's a state problem ? so we don't lose 20 percent of union members who vote against their economic interests for that one issue."

    OK, so it's a states issue now? Well, then why did Dean's spokeswoman quip, "This [where Dean said he opposed any assault weapon ban] is a Vermont questionnaire in 1992. In 1994, he said he'll support a federal law. Where's the inconsistency?"

    Really? Well, what did the questionnaire ask?

    "Semiautomatic rifles, shotguns and pistols, currently labeled `assault weapons,' are commonly used in hunting and target competition, including the National Matches and the Olympics. Current federal and state law allows a lawful citizen to possess semiautomatic rifles, shotguns and pistols. Would you support legislation to restrict the private possession of these firearms?"

    (emphasis mine) "Dr. Dean checked the answer that read, 'No, I would oppose restrictions on semiautomatic firearms.'"
Stay tuned for more flip flops...
 
How about these Flip Flops by the Dub?

1. We will not be the Worlds Policeman

2. We will not get into the business of Nation Building
 
2004 AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SELECTOR
  • 1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%)
    2. Bush, President George W. - Republican (91%)
    3. Libertarian Candidate (69%)
    4. Phillips, Howard - Constitution (40%)
    5. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (27%)
    6. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (25%)
    7. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (23%)
    8. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (18%)
    9. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (13%)
    10. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (12%)
    11. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (9%)
    12. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (5%)
    13. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (4%)
    14. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (0%)
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
How about these Flip Flops by the Dub?

1. We will not be the Worlds Policeman

2. We will not get into the business of Nation Building
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9/11 kind of changed that. He was going the isolationist route prior to 9/11.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
How about these Flip Flops by the Dub?

1. We will not be the Worlds Policeman

2. We will not get into the business of Nation Building
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I think you mean John McCain, who said, "I will repeat that we will not be the world's policeman..." He also said, "...we cannot protect our own borders. We have to go where the terrorists are. "
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No I meant the Dub. Didn't you watch the Presidential Debates? Of course he was lying because he loaded up his Cabinet with the Nefarious Neocons whose main agenda was to be the Worlds Policeman and to Build Nations in our image, especially Iraq.

 
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