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I'm sure that very discussion happened when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939. Seems we had an interest in that invasion as well.
So it's your position that the US has to send troops to Ukraine and fight a war with Russia because they might not stop there? Is that correct?
What about the Europe? Shouldn't they send troops as well? This certainly seems like something the EU should be involved in, it's their back yard.
I guess my question is, why is it that the US is the first one called? Why does the US have to lead the charge?
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My position is I don't want troops sent to Ukraine. Unfortunately we might need to.
I don't want the US taking a leading role in supporting the defense of Ukraine but I do think we should help.
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Jaskalas
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Well, with top men at Fox News like Tucker Carlson basically implying "Why shouldn't we let Putin take the planet? Just asking the questions no one else will"...
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/tucker-carlson-russia-far-right-rcna12932
I understand Republicans, and Democrats, may have internal divisions on the issue of defending Europe. But there are plenty of opponents if one looks.... at Fox News, etc.
There is no option for "When did they ever stop rootin' for pootin" so I can't vote on that.
Oh you have been there before, remember Roosevelt proclaiming "we will not get involved in Europe's war" the same week Japan attacked you?
History is a fucking loop in 'murica.
That is equivalent to saying "Let me give you a hand" to someone carrying a bunch of grocery bags and proceed to clapping your hands. Empty gesture is what it is, a fucking insult.
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Not saying the US should do it alone. Do we need another Pearl Harbor before taking action?
That's a perfectly reasonable position, and one I agree with. The EU needs to step right up to the plate. That means a hell of a lot more than 500 troops and a 60 year old boat.
I'm German and I have never been ashamed of my nation before but at this point... Jesus Christ we are sucking Putin cock and trying to instill fear to get everyone going along. And for what, for fossil fuels? We were promised clean energy, got Russian dictators determining our politics to use their fossil fuels.
Fucking pathetic.
Of course you would "we will not get involved in Europe's war" is a classic, you always try that and you always fucking fail. At literally everything you try when you go the appeasement route.
Put the boot down, we're with you, all of us but we are waiting for you to get your thumb out of your arse which you never do unless it's killing a hundred thousand civilians that can't fight back in a far away land.
The EU, you retarded fucking clown, is an economic union, it's like asking NAFTA to step up... Do you know ANYTHING about the world outside where you live, AT ALL? NO, you don't so shut the fuck up, sit the fuck down and be quiet, adults were having a conversation here.
cytg111
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cytg111
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I dont understand how this is playing out.
If the US actually deploys troops to Ukraine, NATO members will follow, like they did with Iraq and Afghanistan...
So why not make it a NATO operation to begin with.
And if its a NATO operation, operating on Ukrainian soil that is in the process of getting NATO membership anyway???... I mean.. there is so many red grey invisible lines here its hard to keep track.
So your point is that all of the European nations are to weak and or stupid to put together a battle plan and stand an army. Without the USA you're going to be fucked by Russia and there really isn't anything you can do about it.
Seems like it's time to start kissing some ass, maybe Joe will feel sorry for you and send a reserve unit to show you how it's done.
sportage
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The Q's have already sided with Putin, calling Putin and I quote, "a genius".
Frankly, the right wing Trump loving media are quite upset about Russia and Ukraine because republicans know and remember that in war involving any sitting president, especially with something like this Russia vs Ukraine thing, people will support the American efforts and thus support the sitting president. This could result with the bump in the polls that Biden needs right now.
This isn't the same as with LBJ or Nixon and Vietnam. Russia hits home with Americans and Americans can relate and Americans are more likely to support our military efforts and thus support the efforts of Joe Biden. Not good if you are a republican and you hate Joe Biden.
I'm sure that Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity are worried where this Ukraine thing might go. This could lead to support for democrats in the midterms and more so come 2024 if conflict still exists.
One thing we can count on, and with breaking their own rules of past, that if America gets involved in this war, that is if war breaks out, you can bet that Fox news will have no shame with lashing out at president Biden and criticizing Biden's every move while we have troops on the ground. Something that was never tolerated during past conflicts. It was once considered unAmerican to criticize a sitting president during foreign conflict and with American troops actively involved. But Tucker and Hannity wont care about that, they will go after Biden regardless. And... pretend that Trump would do so much better as president.
Those freakin evangelist actually hope and pray this conflict will lead to WWIII so their biblical predictions of global mass destruction can come true.... but only after they themselves are first raptured away. Poor saps. If this is WWIII, those bible thumping schmucks will fry in nuclear fallout just like everyone else. They ain't going nowhere.
Frankly, the right wing Trump loving media are quite upset about Russia and Ukraine because republicans know and remember that in war involving any sitting president, especially with something like this Russia vs Ukraine thing, people will support the American efforts and thus support the sitting president. This could result with the bump in the polls that Biden needs right now.
This isn't the same as with LBJ or Nixon and Vietnam. Russia hits home with Americans and Americans can relate and Americans are more likely to support our military efforts and thus support the efforts of Joe Biden. Not good if you are a republican and you hate Joe Biden.
I'm sure that Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity are worried where this Ukraine thing might go. This could lead to support for democrats in the midterms and more so come 2024 if conflict still exists.
One thing we can count on, and with breaking their own rules of past, that if America gets involved in this war, that is if war breaks out, you can bet that Fox news will have no shame with lashing out at president Biden and criticizing Biden's every move while we have troops on the ground. Something that was never tolerated during past conflicts. It was once considered unAmerican to criticize a sitting president during foreign conflict and with American troops actively involved. But Tucker and Hannity wont care about that, they will go after Biden regardless. And... pretend that Trump would do so much better as president.
Those freakin evangelist actually hope and pray this conflict will lead to WWIII so their biblical predictions of global mass destruction can come true.... but only after they themselves are first raptured away. Poor saps. If this is WWIII, those bible thumping schmucks will fry in nuclear fallout just like everyone else. They ain't going nowhere.
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News I saw tonight was that Biden spent over an hour today talking (remotely, of course) to NATO nations, our allies, about the situation and put 8500 US troops on readiness alert and that he claims all are in unison in opposing a Russian invasion. This is leadership.
Not voting in the pole. Jousting went out in the middle ages.
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While it’s the Europeans fault, they generally don’t have armies of much consequence when it comes to repelling a multiple division invasion.
pcgeek11
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These are two empty gestures. I don't think that hundreds of thousands of pounds of lethal weapons is an empty gesture or hand clapping. Maybe you should enlist and go over to give them a hand.
US sends first military aid shipment to Ukraine amid Russia standoff
Washington says it has sent "close to 200,000 pounds of lethal aid" to Kyiv to bolster Ukraine's defences, and has praised the Baltic states for pledging missiles.
www.euronews.com
Ukraine receives second weapons shipment from US
Ukraine has received a second weapons supply shipment from the United States amid the looming threat of a potential Russian invasion.
www.cnn.com
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cytg111
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I think we should pile in right behind the Europeans in defense of Ukraine. Let Europe lead the way, we need to be right behind them. Give them ammo, support them, fight alongside of them. But the great European powers ( Germany, France, Spain, Italy, etc ) need to be the first into the conflict zone. After all, this is on their doorstep, not ours.
If Europe does not feel it is important enough to send their young people into the conflict zone to fight for Europe, why should we? Why should we commit more to the fight then what Europe is? Germany, France, Spain, they all have first rate militaries.
If Europe does not feel it is important enough to send their young people into the conflict zone to fight for Europe, why should we? Why should we commit more to the fight then what Europe is? Germany, France, Spain, they all have first rate militaries.
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cytg111
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Agreed. There is already boots on the ground, but its help with training national guards, preparing the local population for whats to come.
What I am hearing locally is that anything beyond that has to be via NATO. That doesnt mean the US should lead. I say get it tf done and get in there.
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