I read the whole thing, I forced myself to. How anyone could believe there is anything special about it and that it's even more than slightly true is totally beyond me, let alone saying it's 100% the word of god.
I've basically been an atheist since the age of seven, haven't been to church since the age of 8. Last time I went, the minister was talking about Adam living to some insane age, and I couldn't take it. I asked my grandmother why the minister was telling those ridiculous stories, and she got all worked up, and yelled at me that they absolutely were true, and how could I not believe them, after all, they were in the bible. I didn't say anything, but I never felt the same about her again, I had thought she was someone who was really sensible, and after she said that, I thought of her as slightly crazy. She died a few months later.
I've basically been an atheist since the age of seven, haven't been to church since the age of 8. Last time I went, the minister was talking about Adam living to some insane age, and I couldn't take it. I asked my grandmother why the minister was telling those ridiculous stories, and she got all worked up, and yelled at me that they absolutely were true, and how could I not believe them, after all, they were in the bible. I didn't say anything, but I never felt the same about her again, I had thought she was someone who was really sensible, and after she said that, I thought of her as slightly crazy. She died a few months later.
colonel
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I read all the Bible, but there are a couple books in the old testament, not really important..........my advice is start the Bible from the New Testament, reading the life of Jesus (the Bible is revelation of Jesus as savior), and how the profets in the old testament talk about him.
Sorry to bring back an old thread, but I just came across it and found it interesting. There really should be a religion forum seperate from off-topic. Anyway, by D&C he means Doctrine and Covenants. POGP is Pearl of Great Price. Both are part of the standard works, along with the King James version of The Bible and The Book of Mormon, of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints - more often referred to as mormons here on the forums.
quakefiend420
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"And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with"....
an oven ?
a fire ?
Seems pretty clear from context that whatever it is being baked with is not part of the recipe, it just has archaic syntax. Humiliation is very much a cultural thing, that you would not expect why something from thousands of years ago was humiliating or taboo is expected rather than unusual.
Honestly, if you want to complain about the bible, there are much better passages to choose.
i have never read the thing or even touched one, but then again i'm not very religious by any means.
id have to look and its too early for me to check. but im pretty sure ive read all of the "old testiment" (maybe not so much the genealogy) and a good chunk of the "new."
erroring on the side of accuracy, i opted for "about half."
erroring on the side of accuracy, i opted for "about half."
Not everyone died in the end in the Bible. However, you have to pay particular attention to what you are reading. Like any book some things are mentioned in a round about way. When Jesus was confronted about what John asked him to do Jesus says to one of his apostles what is it to thee if he should tarry till I return? Then there was another famous prophet who ascended to heaven on a chariot of fire. According to several texts in the bible the city where Enoch lived was perfected and the entire city was translated and taken into Heaven.
When reading the bible look for references to books or writings or prophets that no longer exist. In the new testament when Jesus was presented in the temple by Mary and Joseph a woman called Anna was referred to as a prophetess is mentioned but you do not ever see a book of Anna the Prophetess or her prophecies. Often the people in the Bible mention "It is written that . . ." but they never mention what they are quoting and they just expect the reader to know about it.
In the book of Mormon they refer to the book of Zenock. However, the book has never been found as far as I know. When studying some information on the dead sea scrolls I came across some reference to the book of Enoch which is still missing but beleived to have been seen.
Many people in the 1800's may have lived in more remote places or may have only owned one book. You guessed it, the family Bible. Many people learned to read, reading the bilbe.
When reading the bible look for references to books or writings or prophets that no longer exist. In the new testament when Jesus was presented in the temple by Mary and Joseph a woman called Anna was referred to as a prophetess is mentioned but you do not ever see a book of Anna the Prophetess or her prophecies. Often the people in the Bible mention "It is written that . . ." but they never mention what they are quoting and they just expect the reader to know about it.
In the book of Mormon they refer to the book of Zenock. However, the book has never been found as far as I know. When studying some information on the dead sea scrolls I came across some reference to the book of Enoch which is still missing but beleived to have been seen.
Many people in the 1800's may have lived in more remote places or may have only owned one book. You guessed it, the family Bible. Many people learned to read, reading the bilbe.
drinkmorejava
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That's almost depressing, I have 3 of them in my room and have never actually read the whole thing. I suppose I might get around to it this summer.
Parts of the bible and the entire 4 volumes of the Gulag Archipelago. I learned much more about liberals from the Gulag!
How convenient. I don't know what's worse. The ones that just make up the bible or the ones that twist it to be in line with what they want it to believe (you know, the ones that say rich people are good christians despite the fact jesus says its more than impossible for rich people to go to heaven).
Jesus never said that. He said to the young ruler, give all you have to the poor and come follow me. The man went away sad because he had amassed great fortune and was unwilling to give it up. It was not his money that was the problem but his love of it. Jesus was placed in the grave of a wealthy friend of his, Joseph of Arimathea (actually a member of the Sanhedrin). The point is that it is tough for the wealthy to follow Jesus because they put too much faith in their possessions.
I've read the Bible a number of times.
Just because you've read the Bible a number of times, doesn't mean I'm going to buy your self-interested interpretation.
The actual text is very clear. Jesus speaks in allegories. He said:
In essence something impossible is more likely than a rich guy getting into heaven. Spin it in whatever way makes you feel better.
I was answering the question that I've read the Bible a number of times. I would say you are the one spinning things. The Eye of a Needle was a gate in the wall of Jerusalem where camels had to "crawl" in order to make it through. Thus not impossible but definitely difficult.
Edited to correct my screwup.
Edited to correct my screwup.
There's no spinning on my end. You just have to look at the plain language and not let any of the outside analysis from various non-canon texts tell you what it's saying.
eplebnista
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