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Vic
Elite Member
abiogenesis != evolution
Evolution is factual, but it also begins with the premise that life already existed and then evolved. Abiogenesis is a commonly accepted hypothesis, but it is not part of the theory of evolution nor is it even remotely accepted as factual by mainstream science. Contrast your last 2 statements against your earlier post. Then STFU. The ease with which you backpedal from your earlier inflammatory statements proves that you're a troll.
Vic
Elite Member
How did you get to be this bigoted? You're basing your arguments on non-scientific evidence and a logical fallacy. The false dilemma that if it is contrary to religion then it must be scientific fact. That is simply ridiculous. Here's a tip for you in REAL thinking (although I'm sure your bigotry will not allow you to accept it): the Bible, Quran, Toran, etc. could all be completely wrong... and God could exist anyway. Get over it.
slurmsmackenzie
Golden Member
One of the study's major surprises is the relatively large number of genes that have contributed to human brain evolution. ?For a long time, people have debated about the genetic underpinning of human brain evolution,? said Lahn. ?Is it a few mutations in a few genes, a lot of mutations in a few genes, or a lot of mutations in a lot of genes? The answer appears to be a lot of mutations in a lot of genes. We've done a rough calculation that the evolution of the human brain probably involves hundreds if not thousands of mutations in perhaps hundreds or thousands of genes?and even that is a conservative estimate.?
It is nothing short of spectacular that so many mutations in so many genes were acquired during the mere 20-25 million years of time in the evolutionary lineage leading to humans, according to Lahn. This means that selection has worked ?extra-hard? during human evolution to create the powerful brain that exists in humans.
that from the HHMI.
It is nothing short of spectacular that so many mutations in so many genes were acquired during the mere 20-25 million years of time in the evolutionary lineage leading to humans, according to Lahn. This means that selection has worked ?extra-hard? during human evolution to create the powerful brain that exists in humans.
that from the HHMI.
Kirby
Lifer
The image is disputed, so I'll give you a +-10% on the numbers. Regardless, it shouldn't matter if it was <50%.
So you're telling me all Catholics disregard the first book of the Bible?
It's quite obvious that you have no problem insulting, because apparently you have the answers to all of life's questions. How does their choice to to be "ignorant" make you feel the need to belittle them? And how can you even compare the tooth fairy to religion? Religion has been around since the dawn of man (whenever you choose that may be) and is accepted by billions of people.
But you are still missing my point. I'm not here to argue what I believe or what anyone else believes. I don't have to justify my beliefs to you or anyone else. The simple fact is that you shouldn't call somebody an idiot or stupid for something that they believe in and that you can't prove. You can't explain it all, so don't make it look like you have all the answers. It makes you look like you live for putting others "in their place". Some people actually like to believe in something bigger than themselves, but your ego and intolerance is by far the biggest thing that you believe in.
GagHalfrunt
Lifer
About the same. Don't give any special consideration to the fact that this is a "tech board". The average ATOTer is probably a 14-15 year old computer geek, nothing more. The fact that they can plug in a USB cable and memorize the specs on a GeForce 7900GT does not mean that they're educated in any meaningful way. They have never been exposed to comparative theology, they have not traced the origins of religion to find the immense flaws in the way they're constructed. They simply believe what mommy and daddy tell them to believe.
That's the scary part of religion, it's inherited as surely as your eye color or blood type. The Jesus freaks who are screaming about creationism and voting that the world is less than 10,000 years old would be screaming "death to the infidels, Allah Akbar!!" if they had been born into a different family and the ones going to Temple and observing Yom Kippur would instead be observing Ramadan if their great great great grandparents had passed that along instead. You're not dealing with intelligent, rational, educated people here who have studied various religions, come up with a person view on theology and made an informed decision about which great cosmic muffin to follow. You're dealing with ignorant savages who probably never strayed more than 50 feet from the dirt floored hut in which they were born. They were the ones who passed on the current religions to the long lines of their distant relatives. Skippy the wonder nerd ATOT lifer isn't Catholic or Jewish or Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu because it's his choice, he's Catholic or Jewish or Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu because somebody way back in hs family tree was Catholic or Jewish or Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu and nobody since then has bothered to think for themself.
Bill Brasky
Diamond Member
Option 2 isn't clear enough. I think we developed through evolution, but I still think God deserves credit for making those circumstances possible.
No credible scientist would ever consider abiogenesis a "fact" without some truly remarkable physical evidence that has not yet been discovered and probably doesn't exist. At best in the future it would become a "theory", which is an inappropriate term for it currently. To leap from its current state of hypothesis to fact is a major sin of scientific methodology.
Cerpin Taxt
Lifer
Supposing the factuality of abiogenesis does not somehow exclude the existence of a god, so you can't say "given abiogenesis, therefore no-god." That's just plain ignorance.
No it doesn't.
Vic
Elite Member
Well, he seems to have a hard time recognizing that religion and science are not in conflict with each other. This is typical of the internet scientist crowd, which wrongly thinks that scientific reality is somehow influenced by the percentage of people who believe in it. Meh, IIRC he's a teacher though, so I suppose in his case it's excusable. But to the rest, science is about facts, not beliefs. Religion is about beliefs, not facts. That's what makes this thread flawed to begin with -- it begins with the assumption that science concerns itself with what people believe. And hence when have internet scientists running in to proselytize their faith.
Leros
Lifer
All scientific evidence says that gravity does exist, but we can't prove it. So we should entertain the idea that gravity might not exist. But lets be honest, we pretty much know that gravity exists.
Similarly, all scientific evidence points that God doesn't exist, but we can't prove it. So we should entertain the idea that God might exist, but are pretty sure that there is no such thing as god.
Science puts a theory out there for itself to quash. For a theory to by recanted (earth is flat) is for there to be one testable piece of evidence to the contrary and that theory is immediately discredited. The fact that we haven't found that evidence to disprove gravity, makes the theory law.
There is no rational basis for a supreme being. Irrational beliefs aren't subject to logical "we should entertain the notion since it's like A" arguments. Irrational beliefs are for crazy people.
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