Poll for THUNDERBIRD Vs P3

[Shagga]

The reason the P3 is better than the Thunderbird in Q3A is that Q3A was written if I'm not mistaken using the benefit of SSE. That's the reason it beats the TBird in Q3A all be it that the TBird has a better floating point processor it's SSE that gives it the edge.

P3 had a lot less instability issues and probably still does. That's why, although the P3 is more expensive I go for the P3. (For now anyway)

Go for the P3, unless you like installing patches that is.

 

[cgtran]

Hey Leo V, since you're running one right now, what suggestions do you have for 128mb under 120?

 

[cgtran]

Shagga here is like my friend here, is that true though?

 

[LXi]

What is this trash talk about Athlons being less stable and need patches?

 

[Leo V]

cgtran, I'm using Micron 128MB PC133 CAS2. But any decent-brand 128MB PC133 (I prefer CAS2) should be great. For top-notch stuff, try www.mushkin.com.

 

[Shagga]

Lxi - Chill will ya. Just having the crack. TBird sux, just admit it. Seems to me there are more issues regarding instability with AMD CPU's on this forum than there is P3. Or do you just ignore all those posts then?

I agree they have got better, but not that stable that if someone asked me to build a system for them I would use AMD. I'm afraid you would have to admit that the Intel system would be a safer bet in this instance. Not everyone has the same opinion as you. That's all it was, my opinion, you rise to the situation to easily.

Baring in mind that cgtran is asking for advice (Not just from you) and the nature of his question would lead me to believe he is not the technically aware to make the decision on his own, therefore IMO, Intel is the safer option.

Go have a bud and cool down.

 

[cgtran]

anymore suggestions?
looks like we're having a debate on the P3 and the thunderbird now huh?
j/k

 

[Mem]

Leo V ,My MSI K7T PRO & 900mhz Thunderbird as no problem with AGP 4x enabled using a Geforce2 MX card all games run great,btw using Crucial PC133 CAS2 ram ,probably best board I`ve used so far.

cgtran I reckon MSI K7T PRO2 & T-bird (out real soon).

 

[veryape]

No dought,i'll haft to check that out. heheh

 

[Varborta]

If you want higher clock speed get AMD Thunderbird 800+ with Asus a7v motherboard
or get the best bang for the buck AMD duron 650 or 700 with MSI k7tpro mobo

 

[pen^2]

<< Intel will no dought beat any AMD in the game field.But you haft to look at all the stupid benchmarks that say this and mean that.Example Nvidia,s new utra card in high detail is not that much faster if at all than the GF2.(-see PCGamer vol 7 page 170-) In low detail the urtra kicks a$$ but how many here buy the best to run in low detail!!!;to me it is a waste of time for testing the crap with a low detail for the new so called best replacement card. >>


i hope he was joking! PC GAMER IS SUCK!

 

[NeedForHelp]

HEy mem, when exactly will it be out, and do you have the link for it so I can do researh on it.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Look, the P3 is a faster processor than the thunderbird. Its faster by a couple fps in quake, but this in only at the low resolutions where the game is CPU dependent. At the higher resolutions it is all the same because the geforce craps out due to the memory bandwith. You will not notice a difference between the cpus performance wise. Believe that, any one who tells you otherwise is smoking crack. The real difference between the two is price, if you want to pay more for the p3 for braggin rights go ahead. However, i , and many others on the forum urge you to save the money and get a tbird. Buy a 700 or 733 and oc it higher, you will save tons of money and get the same performance!!!!!

 

[Mem]

NeedForHelp read john433i post in the Motherboard forum(New K7T PRO)he contacted MSI &amp; they reckon 2-3 weeks on shelves they are sampling the new model.

 

[LXi]

Shagga:


<<Chill will ya. Just having the crack. TBird sux, just admit it. Seems to me there are more issues regarding instability with AMD CPU's on this forum than there is P3. Or do you just ignore all those posts then?>>

No, I'd have to admit P3 sucks. It &quot;seems to you&quot; there are more issues? Can you track down the last thread that somebody begging for help with their Tbird setup? Yea sure, instability regarding AMD, my butt. I dont ignore those posts, but there are just as much issues/instability regarding Intel.



<<I agree they have got better, but not that stable that if someone asked me to build a system for them I would use AMD. I'm afraid you would have to admit that the Intel system would be a safer bet in this instance. Not everyone has the same opinion as you. That's all it was, my opinion, you rise to the situation to easily.>>

AMD systems are just as stable and as safe as a bet as Intel systems. Im not afraid to build an AMD system for anyone. It's such a waste not to take advantage of their low prices, $400 diference for the 1GHz? Intel CPUs are a rip off.



<<Baring in mind that cgtran is asking for advice (Not just from you) and the nature of his question would lead me to believe he is not the technically aware to make the decision on his own, therefore IMO, Intel is the safer option.>>

Hum... can you read cgtran's mind? Of course Im not the only one giving opinion, Im just trying to correct the wrong thinking of people like you.



<<Go have a bud and cool down.>>

Im trying my best.

 

[cgtran]

true, I am just looking for suggestions

 

[Mem]

My input on what LXi has just posted,I have a MSI K7T PRO board &amp; 900T-bird &amp; have no stability problems at all ,anyone that wants to go AMD will be ok,just remember to use AMD approved parts like PSU ,&amp; good ram &amp; you will have a stable system like mine.Infact I have just gone from Intel to AMD &amp; it was smooth sailing all the way.

 

[Factor5]

Whats this about AMD instability, if i recall correctly Intel had a *little* Problem with their 1.13's, i'm running a T-Bird 900 and a kt7, i have had no problems whatsoever, i find it faster, WAY Faster than my friends wayste of money.

 

[kami]

I use intel for that very reason...I don't have the money or time to worry about having an approved PSU or RAM. I just wanna pop it in, crank up the bus speed, and play quake3!

Tbirds look very tempting though...I think I'll get one soon.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

hmm im sure everyone who had a system with the faulty mth had a &quot;stable&quot; system.(the chipset was recaled if you didnt know)

 

[LXi]

<<I don't have the money or time to worry about having an approved PSU or RAM>>

So you rather spend $400 more for the Intel 1GHz than spending ~$50-100 for better PSU and RAM? Oh yea, just a note, Intel systems will also run like crap with crappy RAM.

 

[kami]

WTF are you talking about? What kind of idiot buys a 1GHz P3? I buy a slow one and overclock the fvck out of it.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

yea wel why not buy a 1.1 ghz t-bird and overclock the f*ck out of it

 

[Dark4ng3l]

can you show me an intel cpu that reached over 1.05 ghz with AIR cooling? I think not

 

[Bignate603]

I'm running an 800 t'bird on an A7, you can't say a P3 is easier to set up. Just plug the stuff in and it was up, no probs and i even used generic memory. There is only the problem that it doesn't like waking up from sleep mode. But still set up was easiest i ever had. A p3 doesn't really simplify it any when you get decent parts like the A7. Just one word of advice, the C'Orb is a bitch to freakin get off!