Poll for the WoW guilded:

[CKent]

I'm in a 3x a week raiding family type guild. It's not like we're inviting random people named uBaRdAwG and such - not even close. So why the hell is guild chat a constant barrage of our few lowbies (generally alts / friends / S/O's / relatives of 60s in the guild) begging for help with everything and everything? And why the hell do people cater to them and run them through dungeons and such? I've never asked higher levels, whether I know them or not, to help me with something. Further, the one time it happened (I joined a stockades group on an alt, and someone in the group had a 60 friend "helping" us), it was boring as hell. Am I just an ass for being somewhat self-sufficient and expecting the same of others? If so vote "other" and say so

 

[WobbleWobble]

Once you hit 60 you have nothing else to do? Plus my thinking is that if you get these people up to 60, they can help do more runs with you.

 

[Tremulant]

Eh, I never asked for help from high level guild mates because 1) I was usually one of the high level guild mates and 2) I don't like asking people to run me through instances/etc

I know people that asked some of their high level friends to help them, but only when there wasn't anyone even leveled to help.

EDIT: On topic...

I don't usually help the lowbies, but that's mainly because I haven't been on much lately.

Plus, I don't know the low level instances well enough to run other people through.

 

[CKent]

Aren't you missing the whole point if people do it for you though? I mean, it would be like, instead of watching your favorite TV show, begging someone else to watch it for you and write down the gist of the plot for you to read. It simply escapes me.

 

[cKGunslinger]

If its somebody's alt, chances are they *have* experienced the dungeon at least once or twice and are simply interested in a particular piece of loot, not reliving memories of monotonous grinding through identical and predictable mobs with a PUG of wipe-prone wankers.

That, we don't really *allow" low-level members/alts to expect help running them through dungeons, but many 60s willingly volunteer to do so. One of the few advantages of a small guild.

 

[Markbnj]

Who isn't needy in WoW? The game is like Everquest Loot Whores X 2. I figured this was because there is really nothing else to do post-60 other than raid, and argue over raid loot, and then argue over who isn't raiding enough, and then raid some more.

 

[Tremulant]

Originally posted by: Markbnj
Who isn't needy in WoW? The game is like Everquest Loot Whores X 2. I figured this was because there is really nothing else to do post-60 other than raid, and argue over raid loot, and then argue over who isn't raiding enough, and then raid some more.

Eh, my guild doesn't argue over anything really. We're all laid back.

An old guildmate (who is a loot whore and left to join a bigger guild that has scheduled raids), argued over loot all the time. She's cool, but she takes the game way too seriously.

 

[skace]

WoW leveling is insanely quick, because of this sometimes people can feel trapped at a certain level without anyone to play with. This gets further complicated when all their friends are at 60 and that is where they want to be. Of course this doesn't account for alts, but their is an unspoken alt code where you help my alt and later on i help your alt and thats the way alts level. Few people play through 'fairly' on their alt unless they are REALLY bored at 60.

I've run an ungodly number of people through SM, it is just one of those dungeons with really good rewards, but depending on your server there are times when you literally cannot find a decent group that can do it legitly. And I know that can get frustrating when you become fixated on thinking you need xyz staff to be better. Sunken Temple is another great example.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: RBachman
I'm in a 3x a week raiding family type guild. It's not like we're inviting random people named uBaRdAwG and such - not even close. So why the hell is guild chat a constant barrage of our few lowbies (generally alts / friends / S/O's / relatives of 60s in the guild) begging for help with everything and everything? And why the hell do people cater to them and run them through dungeons and such? I've never asked higher levels, whether I know them or not, to help me with something. Further, the one time it happened (I joined a stockades group on an alt, and someone in the group had a 60 friend "helping" us), it was boring as hell. Am I just an ass for being somewhat self-sufficient and expecting the same of others? If so vote "other" and say so

i thoguht you were tlaking about begging for items...
powerleveling alts is not needy...
we do it all the time
like has been said before once your 60 and not raiding there is not much else to do.

 

[Cheetah8799]

I agree with the OP. Low level folks should work their own way through. I didn't ask for help, and don't plan to give it unless they really are stuck somewhere and are at least fairly high level, or similar level to me.

 

[xboxist]

I'm working on getting my third character to level 60. I *really* don't care about doing all of the leveling instances over again, legitimately. So I get my RL friends in the guild to run me through things.

With that said, I don't trouble "normal" guildies with such burdens. But my friends? Daaaaamn straight they're going to run my ass through SM for loot that I'm 8 levels too low to even equip.

 

[BurnItDwn]

In my guild we don't take people in unless they are level 55+
We do allow one alt less then level 55 per person though. (as well as any alts that are 55 or higher.)

Sometimes someone will ask for help on an alt. If it's one of the "core" raiding members in the guild, there's always a few of us that are willing to help.

EDIT:
We did have one guy who was like level 40 in our guild. None of the other officers would admit to inviting him, but he was one of the most worthless and annoying players ever. We'd be in ZG or MC, and he'd be asking everyone to take him through SM or Uldaman every 30 seconds. To this day, I still have no idea what fool invited him. He finally left on his own accord yesterday when he figured out what "raiding guild" meant.

 

[TGS]

"I'll do it for my friends, but not for any guidie"

Honestly I don't mind *loaning* out mount or gear money, but the expectation is there for them to pay it back in a timely manner. I don't ask anyone outside the typical level range to run instances. I really don't even ask the regular people I play with to run with their higher characters. I would prefer to run our alts so it's more of a challenge. I do help with questing on my higher level sometimes, but it's not something I volunteer to do.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: RBachman
I'm in a 3x a week raiding family type guild. It's not like we're inviting random people named uBaRdAwG and such - not even close. So why the hell is guild chat a constant barrage of our few lowbies (generally alts / friends / S/O's / relatives of 60s in the guild) begging for help with everything and everything? And why the hell do people cater to them and run them through dungeons and such? I've never asked higher levels, whether I know them or not, to help me with something. Further, the one time it happened (I joined a stockades group on an alt, and someone in the group had a 60 friend "helping" us), it was boring as hell. Am I just an ass for being somewhat self-sufficient and expecting the same of others? If so vote "other" and say so

Because it's fun helping out people. If i'm bored of grinding, leveling, questing, etc, i like going around helping people out. I even enjoy powerleveling them.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: skace
WoW leveling is insanely quick, because of this sometimes people can feel trapped at a certain level without anyone to play with. This gets further complicated when all their friends are at 60 and that is where they want to be. Of course this doesn't account for alts, but their is an unspoken alt code where you help my alt and later on i help your alt and thats the way alts level. Few people play through 'fairly' on their alt unless they are REALLY bored at 60.

I've run an ungodly number of people through SM, it is just one of those dungeons with really good rewards, but depending on your server there are times when you literally cannot find a decent group that can do it legitly. And I know that can get frustrating when you become fixated on thinking you need xyz staff to be better. Sunken Temple is another great example.

I have a pair of 60s and six alts between 14 and 30. I'd rather play the game as intended on my alts, otherwise I still fail to see the point. If you're not enjoying it, why play? Compared to pre-planes EQ I don't even like WoW, but I still like it enough to actaully play it (as opposed to whining until a 60 plays it for me).

Originally posted by: Looney
Because it's fun helping out people. If i'm bored of grinding, leveling, questing, etc, i like going around helping people out. I even enjoy powerleveling them.

Are you really helping them out? Seems to me you're encouraging laziness and spoiling the fun for them.

 

[Bushwicktrini]

Well I have asked for help more as protection running to the wetlands as a solo warlock is just asking to get ganked and I had to do it twice grrrrr.

Now I have to get to the tower of ahtlaxx (sp?) to get a stupid robe pattern which on Cho'gall isn't going to happen solo

 

[Fingolfin269]

Wow, some laid back elitism in this thread.

I actually OFFER help. Need some gold for that mount? How much? Cool, you get half and I'll give you half? A mounted guildmate can level faster due to increased transportation speed and thus help the guild out that much faster. Want me to help you get through SM? Sure thing I love that instance anyway.

I dunno, different strokes for different folks I guess.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Wow, some laid back elitism in this thread.

I actually OFFER help. Need some gold for that mount? How much? Cool, you get half and I'll give you half? A mounted guildmate can level faster due to increased transportation speed and thus help the guild out that much faster. Want me to help you get through SM? Sure thing I love that instance anyway.

I dunno, different strokes for different folks I guess.

Sounds like a very different guild, we're set in our raiding ways. The only sub-60s are alts or friends/relatives/spouses/etc. of raiding 60s. Despite raiding 3x a week, it is a family type guild though, perhaps I'd be better off in a hardcore raiding guild...

 

[Looney]

Are you really helping them out? Seems to me you're encouraging laziness and spoiling the fun for them.

I'm having fun, they're having fun. I don't see that as spoiling. If they weren't having as much fun, then i would assume they wouldn't have accepted my help in the first place.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Looney

Are you really helping them out? Seems to me you're encouraging laziness and spoiling the fun for them.

I'm having fun, they're having fun. I don't see that as spoiling. If they weren't having as much fun, then i would assume they wouldn't have accepted my help in the first place.

That's assuming they know what's best for their enjoyment of the game - people rarely do in MMORPGs.

 

[TGS]

Ok, I'd just like to mention that for my first mount, my friend gave me outright the 90g for the mount and training costs at 40. When I was able I paid him back for his alt mount and training costs. So I figured I was square with him. I then rolled a warrior, skinning/blacksmith. I gave her 6 gold to start. Basically to buy bags and bank storage, of course skills as well but no more beyond the 6 gold. I built that up over a while, and though from time to time I would send her metals from my main (mining/engie) I never bought her anything from the AH. She actually at this time has more gold at 36 than my main does at 60.

I see people complaining about being broke at 30-40, and asking for hand-outs. I don't understand why. Even discounting the 90gold I was given I had enough gold to purchase the mount with money scraped together(I still debate whats more expensive, enchanting or engineering). My warrior alt is easily clearing 150gold, just from selling a few weapons here and there, some plate armor, and a large amount of truesilver rods. Now granted I did say that I sent metals to her, but I figure that's a benefit of having an already mounted character. I do plan on switching skinning out for mining once shes mounted, and ramping her up.

I don't really see other than if they are new to how the AH works. Though at 30-40 hopefully you would have an idea on the basic workings of how to make money from your profession. Heck you could sell 10 copper ore for close to 40-60 silver on my server. That's about as lowbie as it gets too.

 

[Litchfield285]

I'll help if I'm bored. The problem I have with it is that when I was a lowbie I did all of my stuff through pugs... I never bothered the higher level people. I would take their help if offered but that's it. It does annoy me. The good thing is I am in a guild that only has 60's and we have a seperate guild for our lowbie alts... so I don't have to deal with it anymore.

Now helping a fellow level 60 guildie with farming for things like resist gear, faction, AQ stuff, or certain things needed for our raids, I have no problems with doing that, because ultimately it's for the greater good of the guild. Helping someone get their L337 Illuzionaryz Rodzorz from SM doesn't do anything for the guild.

 

[hooflung]

I say let people do what people do. If guilds want to be tweakers or purists its their deal. If people irritate me enough there is always the /ignore command.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Looney

Are you really helping them out? Seems to me you're encouraging laziness and spoiling the fun for them.

I'm having fun, they're having fun. I don't see that as spoiling. If they weren't having as much fun, then i would assume they wouldn't have accepted my help in the first place.

That's assuming they know what's best for their enjoyment of the game - people rarely do in MMORPGs.

Get off your high horse. They're having fun. It may not be your version of fun, but your version of fun may not be theirs either.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Looney

Are you really helping them out? Seems to me you're encouraging laziness and spoiling the fun for them.

I'm having fun, they're having fun. I don't see that as spoiling. If they weren't having as much fun, then i would assume they wouldn't have accepted my help in the first place.

That's assuming they know what's best for their enjoyment of the game - people rarely do in MMORPGs.

Get off your high horse. They're having fun. It may not be your version of fun, but your version of fun may not be theirs either.

Sorry if it sounds that way, I just have the benefit of years of MMOG experience to pull from. I watched people complain about this that & the other thing in EQ being too difficult, for instance, and watched the dev team ruin the game in an effort to appease them... then watched the same people wish it were the way it used to be Again, people rarely know what's good for them in MMORPGs. I'd add "in life" as well, but would rather keep this post on topic