Poll: does anyone here not belive in evolution?

[Zucchini]

ugh. From the thread it seems some people don't understand/have little knowledge of evolution. Dogs did not evolve from birds etc. Just think of a family tree, its impossible for your brother to give birth to you. Somewhere way way way back down the tree there is a common ancestor. This is why even birds/bats have bone structures that are analgous to our own, just modified. The wings are a great example, or the tiny hind leg bones in whales. If we were all sponteneously created, there would be no reason for all this. I'm sure a god could engineer a better bird from scratch.

This being said, human beings did not evolve from monkeys. Stop saying that. It reeks of ignorance. That would not be evolution. There is a common ancestor way back. If you look at the evolutionary tree for primates/humans there are many many branches.


As for requiring proof to beleive in a theory?? All theories are well just that, theories. You can prove them wrong. Its the weight of evidence backing a theory that allows you to say hey.. that probably is correct. Its like the theory of gravity. Earlier versions were not as complex and had holes, but well.. science itself constantly evolves.


As for creationism science, it is not science. Science allows for theories to be proven wrong.

 

[MrPALCO]

<< As for creationism science, it is not science. Science allows for theories to be proven wrong. >>



The knowledge of Creation is revealed line upon line, precept upon precept, until a full and complete Vision of the Truth is held by the Man.

 

[Elledan]

-Dogs have one common ancestor: Wolves. Humans tamed some dogs thousands of
years ago, and turned them into pets.

-Life started in pools containing amino acids. Those acids merged together
and formed the first (primitive) strand of DNA. Out of this more advanced
lifeforms evolved.
The forming of DNA out of amino acids has been reproduced.

-The offspring of Adam and Eve would have died after a few generations due to
inbreeding. Every breeder of dogs, cattle etc. can tell you this.
For the same reason, Noah and his ship are just a nice fairy tale, even if
you ignore the fact that he could never have collected a male and female
of every species on earth.

-The after-effects of the Big Bang are still noticable: the universe is
cooling down after it had reached enormously high temperatures during the
expansion. Background radiation from this event is still measurable.

-Example of evolution: hind legs in whales and snakes.

-Neanderthal men couldn't have lived before the Beginning, since the earth
was one huge, boiling mass of molten rock and metals before that time. It
took millions of years for the earth to form this crust of solid rock we
currently live on. I don't believe that the bible even mentions this.

-Most religions on earth are earth-based, i.e. they only concentrate on this
planet and never take a good look at what is beyond the biosfeer of this
planet. This also counts for Christianity.

That about sums it up....

 

[MrPALCO]

How did you learn of these things?

 

[BoberFett]

You know, mostly I believe in creation just because it really pisses evolutionists off. It's funny to see you fume and get red faced because people don't view your guesses as unquestionable fact. It's also funny to see you defend your positions with a fervor that's generally reserved for religious fundamentalists.

I don't really care about the past, it has no real affect on me. If it were proven tomorrow that people were planted here by alien overlords, it wouldn't change my life in any meaninful way. People are only on this planet for ~100 years and for the life of me I can't figure out why they would want to waste a large chunk of it arguing about things that may or may not have happened millions of years ago.

But hey, it's your life you're wasting away, IMO.

 

[Wuming]

sort of...seems to be the only scientific reasoning around right now, and i like stuff that can be explained scientifically.

 

[Napalm381]

<< because people don't view your guesses as unquestionable fact. >>

What you disparagingly refer to as &quot;guesses&quot; are based on factual evidence. Is anything in science really more than a guess, a hypothesis? No. But do you discount all scientific theories because of that? I certainly hope not.

 

[chess9]

BobberFett:

Since you already admitted in a prior thread that you know nothing about &quot;evolution&quot;, any position you take is obviously a guess. Furthermore, the facts of &quot;evolution&quot; aren't guesses. Believe me, the Nobel Prize Committee is ready, willing and able to give the Nobel Prize to the first man or woman who &quot;proves&quot; a scientific theory of creation which supports the account in Genesis.

If you are going to participate, it's ok to learn something about the subject matter first. Although that hasn't stopped anyone else from commenting, I expect more from you.

 

[MrPALCO]

<< Is anything in science really more than a guess, a hypothesis? No. >>



The Man who asks God, will Know for certain.

 

[Shalmanese]

Another depserate attempt to bring rationality back to the argument

MrPalco: Its called curiosity, Become interested in something and read up about it, once you know something look at all the different facts and try to compose a coherent picture out of them. While doing that, continue to gather more facts and be prepared to alter that picture (the most important yet most neglected step) and finally try to spread your curiosity onto other people (but do not force them to agree with your interpretation, let them make up their own minds while presenting them facts to help them alter their mind)

Zucchinni:

<< its impossible for your brother to give birth to you >>

. umm not quite, it is impossible for different species to give birth to each other however.

Boberfett: True they are guesses but they are educatedguesses also known as an hypothesis. The funny thing about some guesses is that when applied to the real world, some of the pieces seem to fall into place where they weren't before and some things make a lot more sense, The guess is then refined until a couple more pieces fall inot place. eg. eath centered universe ->sun centered universe ->newtons theory of gravity ->relativity ->quantum physics -> string theory ->M theroy

Granted the last two are still in their crude stages but when they are applied to the universe, a lot more of the world makes sense.

 

[MrPALCO]

<< Another depserate attempt to bring rationality back to the argument >>



A Man said: &quot;what Men need is Love, Truth and Power for living. That comes from Words spoken by God&quot;.

Hmmmmm......I like that.

 

[Zucchini]

Shalmanese,

Sorry, i forgot to disqualify that since genetically identical creatures, are well.. basically the same creature On the tree, the two identical creatures would be on the same branch, it isn't analogous.

 

[darth maul]

dah I believe in creation

One question for the evolutionists. Ok if I have a box, and suck all the air out of it, yes all of it, a true %100 vacume, nothing inside, no atoms, not one thing! And I just let it sit there for a billion years, will life start in it? Whats that? No. Ok, so you say thats irelavent, fine. The big bang started it all you say? Ummmm ok, but the big bang started from something right? A big clump, or small clump (you choose the size of clump) of matter right? Well who put that matter there in the first place? Unless I put something in my box, there can be nothing in the box, and never will be. So as you go forth today, or tomorrow as the case maybe for me, please ask yourself who put the matter there?

 

[Zucchini]

maul,

I'm sorry, but what grade are you in? Your arguements are just incomprehensible. First of all space is not a total vacumn. Second of all evolutionary theory is not about the creation of the universe.

Books are a wonderful thing, you should try reading some.

 

[darth maul]

Evolution is a process that goes thru steps right? Well the first step is the big bang right? Ummmmmmm, the big bang supposedly happend from a ball of matter right? WHO PUT THAT BALL THERE, is the question? Was it always there? LOL maybe you should read a book, but in this case its the bible. Life can not begin without life.

 

[darth maul]

Hmmmmm, maybe Zucchini I can make it simpler for you.....who put the universe here? Or maybe even simpler for you, who put that gooooo here that life suposedly stared in? Trace evolution back to that goo, and you have to keep going back, you have to trace that goo to somewhere.

And what grade am I in, ah, I guess I'll leave the insults alone.....lol.

 

[thraashman]

There is so much proof for evolution that it is literally smacking you in the face all the time. But because we are unable to directly cause evolution in a species to form new species, people will say that there is no evidence which is wrong. I'm sorry people but you need to realize how much religion has held back science over the years, if religion had been dropped 500 years ago, we'd already be liveing 200 years old and colonizing the Solar System. Because your religion doesn't agree with something, don't hold it back.The fact that humans are 99.8% identical to a certain species of chimpanzee is not enough to convince you of evolution based on genetic similarity. I realize this and realize that since you are religious, you do not have the capability to think for yourself. There is a book I'd like you to read called Finding Darwin's God in which every argument against evolution is looked at rationally and discounted perfectly. Think people. Think. And then shut up.

And you guys say there is no evidence of evolution, yeah I see a whole lot of evidence that we just magically appeared here. I think i'll go create a new dimension and reality, be right back. Morons. Religion is a farce. plain and simple.



















I wonder how many people I pissed off with that.

 

[chess9]

Shalmanese:

Evolution isn't a guess of any kind.

Main Entry: 1guess
Pronunciation: 'ges
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English gessen, probably of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Norse geta to get, guess -- more at GET
Date: 14th century
transitive senses
1 : to form an opinion of from little or no evidence
2 : BELIEVE, SUPPOSE <I guess you're right>
3 : to arrive at a correct conclusion about by conjecture, chance, or intuition <guess the answer>
intransitive senses : to make a guess
- guess·able /'ge-s&amp;-b&amp;l/ adjective
- guess·er noun

Evolution is based upon literally thousands of facts, plus the analysis of some of the worlds's best minds. The seminal work of Darwin is based upon years of research and the collection of thousands of pieces of data. Furthermore, much of the biological data is buttressed by data from other sciences, e.g., astrophysics, astronomy, paleontology, and geology, to name but a few.

DarthMaul:

Evolution is not concerned with the Big Bang, or the initial cause. Yes, God could have put all the material for the universe here and then gone bowling with her Tuesday night league.

 

[Zucchini]

Maul,

Evolutionary theory only pertains to biological processes, or living things Do you just not understand anything about science or is this just a big joke? Are you just neffing?? Its getting annoying because i can't beleive anyone could seriously be as ignorant as you are.

As was said before, evolutionary theory does not have anything to do with the big bang, or the creation of the universe. Taking a specific theory and applying it arbitrarily is absurd. Its like saying water is a liquid, therefore everything is a liquid.

 

[Whitedog]

Don't these nowhere threads bore yall?

 

[darth maul]

Zucchini, stop ignoring the question, cause for evolution to be possible, you have to ignore my question.....oooooops (I just figured something out) I guess you may now ignore my question, cause thats the only thing to keep you believing as you would. Can't have evolution without the goooo, and ignoring the goo is a good stratagy, I guess.

thraashman said &quot;There is so much proof for evolution that it is literally smacking you in the face all the time....&quot; And this proof is? Saying we evolved from chimps is kind'a funny, there would need to be at least 100,000 separate identafible speices between us and them, and there is no proof of that.

And the guys that try to insult another person cause that other person believes differently then them, don't get very far IMHO.

 

[Napalm381]

<< Saying we evolved from chimps is kind'a funny, there would need to be at least 100,000 separate identafible speices between us and them, and there is no proof of that >>

Completely incorrect. First of all, no scientist has ever claimed we evolved from chimpanzees. Secondly, how did you arrive at your 100,000 figure? Oh wait, you pulled it out of your ass. Why don't you ask an anthropologist about such matters?

 

[darth maul]

Napalm, I think you need to ask them, not me. Its a supposed real number. Or did a ape like being (aka chimps, for the point of this discussion) give berth to a human one day? I love sceince that is screwed up, human-study, and yet they don't come out and tell you how many different species it would take to get to what we call humans. And that there is no evideince of even one between us and the chimps, its much more easy to forget about the facts and about where the goo came from, then it is to believe in God and creationism.....see thats where the funny part comes in. It takes faith, which I would love to share with you some day 1v1.....but alass, I am sure you will have some witty coment for me, and tell me where to go, cause I don't believe the same way you do.........

 

[Napalm381]

Until you provide a reference for your &quot;100,000&quot; figure, I treat it with zero credibility. Certainly there must be species between homo sapiens and some primate ancestor. But which primate ancestor are you talking about? Again, check out an anthropology reference for some realistic, credible information.

 

[Jugernot]

Hell yes I believe in it! I've got one thing to say to everyone who doesn't, armpit hair! If we didn't evolve, why do we still have it? Hair is normally used for keeping warm, but as anyone can tell you, armpit hair doesn't keep you one degree warmer in any cold stint. Therefore, the only reason we still have it is because we evolved from a lower animal that used it for warmth without the use of other foreign materials (clothes).

I'm not even gonna try to waste my energy trying to convince all of you creationists, but YOUR WRONG!! Muhahahahaha......uhhhhhhh.......ummmmmmm.........yahhhhhhhhh