JulesMaximus
No Lifer
Dumbest post of the day!!!
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Dumbest post of the day!!!
jlbenedict
Banned
That will not effect auto manufacturers.
Currently government mandated standards on fuel economy are what determine how auto makers manufacturer their autos. Look up the directive on Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards or CAFE.
In the long run, raising CAFE standards will not help the consumer out either. If standards are raised, auto manufacturers would most definately have justification in higher priced autos. So you think, ok.. auto makers are manufacturing vehicles that get better gas mileage.. wow.. I'll jump on the bandwagon and purchase one. Most likely the savings will be negated when purchasing the higher priced, "CAFE enhanced" vehicle.
JulesMaximus
No Lifer
Freight and fuel costs are still a very small percentage of a products final cost. It's not like they drive bananas to your local supermarket one at a time. :roll:
JeffreyLebowski
Lifer
Exactly, you can't tell me that they are raising prices for any other reason than to fatten their wallets. Exxon/Mobile reporting record profits quarter after quarter, hmm, I wonder why?? Because their costs haven't changed, yet they've doubled the price of gas. If any of you think the oil companies are paying the $70 a barrel for oil, you are seriously mistaken. They're paying half that if not less. The oil that is $70 a barrel, is the oil that is traded as a commidity on the mercantile exchange, and pretty much an intangible object as the people that trade oil futures never touch it, it's owner ship just changes hands. It's an amazing gig really, you keep passing it around and everytime the price of it goes up just a little bit more.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Well if we really are running out of oil then these SUV's are ruining it for the rest of us.
I support higher gas prices even inflated gas prices through taxes as long as the money goes to government cleanup and environmental friendly technology.
We won't be obese because that means people will have to take public transportation and commute more -- meaning more walking and riding bikes.
And with less demand, it will force companies to figure out cheaper alternatives or even more environmental alternatives. We have had technology to make hybrids for a long time. ANd there are even more technologies to make cars more efficient and cleaner burning, but there is no demand for it.
With higher gas prices, there will be a bigger demand and car manufacturers will acquiesce by making smaller more fuel efficient car instead of hummers and SUV (most people who drive these cars are too aggressive anyways. Just like in the early 80s this shortage can be a good thing later on. But with China growing as a gas and car consumer, and their government having literally no scruples with hurting the environment and having no safety standards for migrant workers, the environment is going to progressively be screwed even if America cuts back. It will just be a slower progression.
**EDIT**
Oh and BTW even though less demand will usually increase prices. It may actually hit a plateau point where if demand goes so low (which knowing our society it will not), the oil nations will probably lower rates to increase demand again.
AlienCraft
Lifer
Agreed. And they do it on non -GMO sugar Cane. We ,unfortunately will be hoodwinked into doing it with GMO- Corn. which ,in and of itself, requires 2/3 gallon of gas per bushel to raise.
Until we get off the subsidized Petroleum tit, we will be putting more profits into the oil company pockets.
Look at the yearly statements of the companies that produce and use oil ie Gasoline co's, Pharmaceticals,etc. Record profits all around, and yet the average citizen's savings is in decline. Those are not unrelated.
i hate these high gas prices especially with dc traffic...
gah... i am already spending too much money on rent... cause of this location...
me bashes head into desk... why must they torment my life by increasing gas... oh well... i will manage as always... i will continue you to pay... so that i do not need to spend an hour on the metro for a 20 minute drive...
gah... i am already spending too much money on rent... cause of this location...
me bashes head into desk... why must they torment my life by increasing gas... oh well... i will manage as always... i will continue you to pay... so that i do not need to spend an hour on the metro for a 20 minute drive...
JulesMaximus
No Lifer
Well, if you want to keep more of your money and not fatten the wallets of rich oil execs then buy a more fuel efficient car.
sao123
Lifer
Before you start running down the road of SUV's...
1st...realize were not running out of oil any time soon... otherwise plastics, rubbers, and motor oil would be skyrocketing too... and their not... and if your still worried about running out of oil... tap the alaskan reserves and the oil reserve deep in the rocky mountins...that are just waiting for us
why dont you persue somethign worthwhile... things that really are a waste of oil...
Shut down auto racing and air shows...
while your at it...
Mandate everyone to use full synthetic oil...instead of conventional
All naval ships should go to nuclear...
All power plants should go back to coal, or foreward to nuclear...
stop flying half empty 747 flights across the country / world....
i've bolded 2 very good points i've seen, it mainly comes down to greed
but we also need more refineries, the problem is that no oil company will spend the money to build one just so they can charge less for their finished product
and the general idea of people is that "we need more oil refineries, but don't put it in my back yard"
which is some what understandable
funboy6942
Lifer
Im sorry but I dont see how higher gas prices and forcing car makers to make more efficiant cars is doing any good. It may be short term but certinaly not long term and doesnt have the best of intrest for ALL Americans. It is the way the government is going to keeps most of us home and the poor jobless.
Higher gas prices mean a poor family or lower middle class have to give up some of thier freedoms because they cant take the trips they used to to benifit thier family for they have to spend that money to get mom and dad to work so they can eat. So no more trips to the park or zoo, forget going to Disney World, and forget just hopping in the car to get away for the weekend.
Most here doesnt understand because they may of grown up in a well off family or everything is handed to them. You can tell who thoes are by some of the comments in here. I am up for thoes who can afford a hummer or suv, or whatever that costs more then someone makes in 3 years should pay more at the pump to fill it but not for thoes who are on a strict budget that because of the gas prices are forced to limit what food they can buy, or small trips they can take to educational places to better thier families.
Listening to some here that yea it will stop the joy ridding is stupid. Hello this used to be what was great about this country andbing a teenager. Was the ability to go where ever when ever not be stuck at home. Lets stop joyriding, stay at home and not see our friends, go places, but watch the idiot box all day and just get even fatter because you cant afford to go anywhere. Why on earth would anyone be happy that you cant go anywhere because you cant afford the gas to. Not everyone lives in a city where public transportation is available to them. I for one live in one.
Hybrid cars. OHHHHHHHH GOOOOOODIE. They cost more to make, cost more to buy, and once the warranty is up and the rich ass hole that bought it trades it in how is anyone else going to be able to afford the huge ass repair bill when it breaks when gas costs so damn much????? Make a sensiable car. They did in the 90s with the Chevy/Geo Metro. Sure it wasnt classy, it was small, if you had the Manual trans it actually had some get up and go, and got 50 MPG without big heavy expensive batteries and they got well over 100,000 miles easily on the engine. Shoot check out ebay some have close to 200,000 and are still running. Granted back in the 90's when gas was under a $1 a gallon it wasnt all that pratical to alot of people durring that time. I would bet my left nut that if they brought that car back into production today it would out sell every hybrid made today. And these cars are easy to fix and mantain so even the poorest of poor can afford to go to work and still have some money left over and if it broke could fix it themselves cheaply. Will they though??? Hell no because most americans are brainwashed into thinking 30mpg is the sh1t and cant get that high of milage unless you have a super computer, batteries, and a electric motor. HELLO HELLO MCFLY, it takes our resources to make the electricity for some of them you plug in at night. For thoes if we all went that route and had ones you plugged in at night you wont pay for it at the pump but I hate to see your ever so rising electric bill 😉. Which between the rising in Gasoline, Natural gas, and electricity it willsoon come down to it that most americans will not be able to even feed thier families when just between thoes three costs more then the morgage on thier home.
You wait 10 years from now you will see all these hybrid cars rusting away at used car lots or in the junkyards because no lower middle class or poor person will touch them. These cars to me are throw aways and gimmics. They have the technology to make a fuel efficiant car but wont because stupid people will buy them without thinking of the bigger picture down the road. Oh great you saved gas and got a whopping 30mpg in your Ford Escape but how about the envioment hazzard they will produce if the batteries start to leak in our land fills, thoes electric motors I am sure is filled with all kinds of hazardous goodies. We as consumers if trully care about the inviroment should say yes make the hybrids but lets be real and bring back something like the Metro again so EVERYONE can afford to care about the enviroment not just the well off or the super rich.
Higher gas prices mean a poor family or lower middle class have to give up some of thier freedoms because they cant take the trips they used to to benifit thier family for they have to spend that money to get mom and dad to work so they can eat. So no more trips to the park or zoo, forget going to Disney World, and forget just hopping in the car to get away for the weekend.
Most here doesnt understand because they may of grown up in a well off family or everything is handed to them. You can tell who thoes are by some of the comments in here. I am up for thoes who can afford a hummer or suv, or whatever that costs more then someone makes in 3 years should pay more at the pump to fill it but not for thoes who are on a strict budget that because of the gas prices are forced to limit what food they can buy, or small trips they can take to educational places to better thier families.
Listening to some here that yea it will stop the joy ridding is stupid. Hello this used to be what was great about this country andbing a teenager. Was the ability to go where ever when ever not be stuck at home. Lets stop joyriding, stay at home and not see our friends, go places, but watch the idiot box all day and just get even fatter because you cant afford to go anywhere. Why on earth would anyone be happy that you cant go anywhere because you cant afford the gas to. Not everyone lives in a city where public transportation is available to them. I for one live in one.
Hybrid cars. OHHHHHHHH GOOOOOODIE. They cost more to make, cost more to buy, and once the warranty is up and the rich ass hole that bought it trades it in how is anyone else going to be able to afford the huge ass repair bill when it breaks when gas costs so damn much????? Make a sensiable car. They did in the 90s with the Chevy/Geo Metro. Sure it wasnt classy, it was small, if you had the Manual trans it actually had some get up and go, and got 50 MPG without big heavy expensive batteries and they got well over 100,000 miles easily on the engine. Shoot check out ebay some have close to 200,000 and are still running. Granted back in the 90's when gas was under a $1 a gallon it wasnt all that pratical to alot of people durring that time. I would bet my left nut that if they brought that car back into production today it would out sell every hybrid made today. And these cars are easy to fix and mantain so even the poorest of poor can afford to go to work and still have some money left over and if it broke could fix it themselves cheaply. Will they though??? Hell no because most americans are brainwashed into thinking 30mpg is the sh1t and cant get that high of milage unless you have a super computer, batteries, and a electric motor. HELLO HELLO MCFLY, it takes our resources to make the electricity for some of them you plug in at night. For thoes if we all went that route and had ones you plugged in at night you wont pay for it at the pump but I hate to see your ever so rising electric bill 😉. Which between the rising in Gasoline, Natural gas, and electricity it willsoon come down to it that most americans will not be able to even feed thier families when just between thoes three costs more then the morgage on thier home.
You wait 10 years from now you will see all these hybrid cars rusting away at used car lots or in the junkyards because no lower middle class or poor person will touch them. These cars to me are throw aways and gimmics. They have the technology to make a fuel efficiant car but wont because stupid people will buy them without thinking of the bigger picture down the road. Oh great you saved gas and got a whopping 30mpg in your Ford Escape but how about the envioment hazzard they will produce if the batteries start to leak in our land fills, thoes electric motors I am sure is filled with all kinds of hazardous goodies. We as consumers if trully care about the inviroment should say yes make the hybrids but lets be real and bring back something like the Metro again so EVERYONE can afford to care about the enviroment not just the well off or the super rich.
jlbenedict
Banned
Good post Funboy. You hit it right on the head..
You rarely see any auto today get 50 mpg.
What has caused this trend? Is it the "need" for more horsepower? I mean. honestly..
Even today's 4 cylinder engines rarely get 30 mpg.
You rarely see any auto today get 50 mpg.
What has caused this trend? Is it the "need" for more horsepower? I mean. honestly..
Even today's 4 cylinder engines rarely get 30 mpg.
another good point, the high gas prices hurt the tourism industry too
i know a guy that owns a dive shop near a very nice lake in wisonson, and by mid july the road infront of his shop was dead because no one wanted to use the gas to drive up there
the same thing happened a the marina that was on the lake, hardly anyone wanted to go boating because of the gas prices,
so the marina didn't have as many customers as it used to, and in turn hardly sold other services they offered (other than gas) like rentals on ski's, tubes, wakeboard purchases, etc.
my thinking too, near me mass transit leaves, for downtown, and can get you there at about 7:30 (i'd be late every day if i did that)
then it brings you back home at about 5:30 or 6, i get off school at 10:30 and have to be at my job at 11 or 3:30 depending on the day
if you don't live in or very near the major city mass transit is crap
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