Poll: Do you believe Jane Fonda is Hanoi Jane?

[AMCRambler]

Fonda is the lowest form of slime residing on the very bottom of your average sewage treatment plant. My disdain for this woman knows no bounds and no amount of apologizing on her part could make up for what she did. Barbara Walter's should not be honoring her! She should be fvcking drawn and quartered! Right along side LBJ.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: Zorba
Of course she is!

 

[conjur]

Saw a clip of her on CNN this morning and she was saying it was ridiculous of the gov't to try and dig up this bit from the past. Hmm...convenient how Kerry wants to dig up Bush's past from 30 years ago but that's ok.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/11/191058.shtml

'Hanoi' Jane Defends Kerry in Photo Flap

"Hanoi" Jane Fonda rushed to defend Sen. John Kerry on Wednesday after a photo published by NewsMax.com on Monday picturing her with the Democrats' presidential front-runner sparked outrage across the nation.

"The American people have had it with the big lie," Fonda complained on CNN, suggesting that the photo showing her and Kerry at the same Sept. 1970 Vietnam War protest at Valley Forge, Pa., was misleading.

"Any attempt to link Kerry to me and make him look bad with that connection is completely false," the radical actress insisted.

Although Fonda admitted that she and Kerry addressed the crowd that day from the same platform, she maintained that their contact was minimal. "I don't even think we shook hands."

Her account stands in stark contrast, however, to that of presidential historian Douglas Brinkley, who reported in his Kerry biography "Tour of Duty" that after Fonda and the top Democrat appeared at the same Valley Forge demonstration, she "adopted" Kerry's group, Vietnam Veterans Against the War, as "her leading cause."

On Monday Brinkley said that while researching his book he came across additional documentation linking Fonda to Kerry.

"I've seen their names in a University of Wisconsin archive on [Kerry's VVAW]," Brinkley told "Radio Factor" host Bill O'Reilly. "Their names are on the same mimeograph sheets, where you can see them as principal speakers together."

Fonda, defending Kerry's leadership in VVAW, said it wasn't true that the anti-war group was rooting for a communist victory in Vietnam.

"This was an organization of men who risked their lives in Vietnam, who considered themselves totally patriotic," she said.

After Valley Forge, Fonda reportedly bankrolled VVAW's "Winter Soldier Investigation," an event staged in Detroit in Feb. 1971 where Kerry interviewed disgruntled veterans in an attempt to glean the most dramatic accounts of U.S. atrocities.

Later some "veterans" who participated in Winter Soldier were exposed as impostors.

NewsMax.com has learned that videotape of Kerry interviewing some Winter Soldier witnesses exists, and is likely to be made public during the presidential campaign.

Still, Fonda maintained that Kerry's attempt to spotlight alleged U.S. war crimes in Vietnam was a patriotic act.

"How can you impugn, how can you even suggest, that anyone like Kerry or any of these veterans were not patriotic?" she complained to CNN. "He was a hero there."

Eighteen months after Winter Soldier, Fonda traveled to Hanoi and sat atop an enemy aircraft battery pretending to shoot down U.S. pilots as North Vietnamese cameras rolled.

 

[Fausto]

You did NOT just link a fscking NEWSMAX article. :Q

 

[conjur]

Well...there were others with the same text...I just grabbed the first link from google news.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: conjur
Well...there were others with the same text...I just grabbed the first link from google news.

Not quite...you'll notice that NEWSCRAP embellished a bit here and there...

From AJC.com

Fonda defended Kerry during an interview Wednesday on CNN. "Any attempts to link Kerry to me and to make him look bad with that connection is completely false," Fonda said. "We were at a rally for veterans at the same time. I spoke. Donald Sutherland spoke. John Kerry spoke at the end. I don't even think we shook hands.

From NEWSCRAP

"Any attempt to link Kerry to me and make him look bad with that connection is completely false," the radical actress insisted.

Although Fonda admitted that she and Kerry addressed the crowd that day from the same platform, she maintained that their contact was minimal. "I don't even think we shook hands."

etc, etc, etc.

 

[conjur]

Jane's not quite the most trustworthy person.

No side is telling 100% of the truth. There's a middle ground but I would be absolutely surprised if Kerry and Fonda were total strangers through all of their protests.


Just look at what Douglas Brinkley said on O'Reilly's show.

 

[phantom309]

Let me get this straight. An entertainer who opposes a pointless war is a "traitor", but a president who deliberately falsifies weapons reports in order to justify a pointless war is a "patriot". Gotta love conservative logic.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: phantom309
Let me get this straight. An entertainer who opposes a pointless war is a "traitor", but a president who deliberately falsifies weapons reports in order to justify a pointless war is a "patriot". Gotta love conservative logic.

hate to point out that the president didn't falsifies the weapons reports (i don't think he is smart enough) he was giving little or bad Intel and he ran with it (just as bad but not the lie you say). while i think it was wrong for going on the claims he made i do not believe the war was pointless. Saddam was a nasty man who was destroying his own country for his benefit.

What Fonda did is go to the enemy and in essence give them propaganda to use against the US. She lied and said the POW's were treated fine. when in reality they were beaten and starved.

If you cant see the difference in your blind hatred of Bush then maybe you need to step back and re-think your stance.

 

[conjur]

That's a mighty big "if"

 

[Thump553]

I was a male US teenager who was subjected to the draft towards the end of Vietnam. Every time I rip up another Powerball ticket, I still thank God there was one lottery I "lost". My father and all uncles served in WWII. I had cousins and friends in Vietnam. Almost certainly I would have entered the military if the Vietnam War was not going on. Some perspective from someone who lived through this era, but fortunately did not go to Vietnam:

(1) It may be hard to realize now, but American society was put into total turmoil by the Vietnam War-probably the worst internal conflict in our country since the Civil War. Many, and probably most young people were strenuously opposed to the Vietnam war, an opposition that was not understood by our parent's generation.

(2) Kerry was a bit player, at best, in the opposition to the war. He said his piece, and demonstrated, as we Americans are free to do, as did literally millions of others. But frankly, he had his position and Fonda had hers. They should not be confused.

(3) There was a very wide range of positions on the war, of which Jane Fonda's was one of the most far out. She was a privileged daughter of a Hollywood star and a former starlet in her own right (catch Barbarella). The best analogy I can make is to imagine Paris Hilton with intellectual/political pretensions. I don't think anyone but Jane Fonda took her seriously, especially during and after her moronic Hanoi trip. It was quite possible to both be opposed to the Vietnam War and shocked and stuptified by Fonda's trip-I know I was.

By the way, I didn't participate in the poll, which is extremely poorly structured.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Thump553
I was a male US teenager who was subjected to the draft towards the end of Vietnam. Every time I rip up another Powerball ticket, I still thank God there was one lottery I "lost". My father and all uncles served in WWII. I had cousins and friends in Vietnam. Almost certainly I would have entered the military if the Vietnam War was not going on. Some perspective from someone who lived through this era, but fortunately did not go to Vietnam:

(1) It may be hard to realize now, but American society was put into total turmoil by the Vietnam War-probably the worst internal conflict in our country since the Civil War. Many, and probably most young people were strenuously opposed to the Vietnam war, an opposition that was not understood by our parent's generation.

(2) Kerry was a bit player, at best, in the opposition to the war. He said his piece, and demonstrated, as we Americans are free to do, as did literally millions of others. But frankly, he had his position and Fonda had hers. They should not be confused.

(3) There was a very wide range of positions on the war, of which Jane Fonda's was one of the most far out. She was a privileged daughter of a Hollywood star and a former starlet in her own right (catch Barbarella). The best analogy I can make is to imagine Paris Hilton with intellectual/political pretensions. I don't think anyone but Jane Fonda took her seriously, especially during and after her moronic Hanoi trip. It was quite possible to both be opposed to the Vietnam War and shocked and stuptified by Fonda's trip-I know I was.

By the way, I didn't participate in the poll, which is extremely poorly structured.

thank you for putting some perspective into the discussion.


i don't like Jane Fonda, I don't like what she did, BUT put some perspective on the whole thing. most of you that hate her also give her way to much credit which is ironic.

btw, i particularly agreed with your seniment that the Vietnam war was the most divisive issue in US history outside of the civil war. i think i even put that in one of my posts. i know i thought it.

 

[GroundZero]

she entertained the enemy.
should ship her rat-bitch-skank-ass back over to them.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
I still remember reading one soldier's account while he was a P.O.W., she was visiting the prison camp, and he slipped a piece of paper to her in a handshake with the names of all the soldiers that were in the camp, and she turns around and hands it to the NVA officer in charge of the prison camp. He was severely beaten after she left.

Jane Fonda is scum.

If you read it in an email, then it is probably one of the emails listed in the link he just gave. RTFT.

No, this was a documented account in a book about P.O.W.'s I was reading, nothing so insubstantial as an e-mail. I will see if I can find which one it was, I have a lot of books about the Viet Nam conflict.

 

[Pliablemoose]

"Any attempt to link Kerry to me and make him look bad with that connection is completely false," the radical actress insisted.

That pretty well means he did her, doesn't it?

Rat bastard, I saw Barberella, she was way hot...

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: dpm

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb I guess that fact that she admits it isn't enough?

If I admitted to betraying you and getting you beaten senseless everyday for a year, would it be enough?

I think he meant enough to prove it, not enough to gain forgiveness.

That's exactly what I meant. Try reading AND comprehending at the same time.

BTW, it is totally irrelevant whether we should have been fighting in Vietnam or not. The fact of the matter is, we were, and the fact of the matter is, Jane Fonda gave aid and comfort to the enemy, in one form or another.

That means she is a traitor. Period, end of story. We don't declare war anymore, IIRC, so that's completely irrelevant.
We were there, and so was she.....helping the other side. All else matters not.

 

[Balthazar]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
No. She's not. Despite the fact that everyone knows she is Hanoi Jane, the fake emails magically make her someone else!

OBVIOUSLY the fake emails don't change who SHE is, but they fake emails DO CHANGE what Hanoi Jane represents.

sheesh.

IMHO, you are very wrong about that.
The name Hanoi Jane came along way before this, it doesnt change what it means, it means shes a traitor, it means she took the most callous cowardly way to "protest".

Personally I find it very disgusting what she did, and while the other tidbits might not be true, once you get to the level of disgusting that she is at, even those extra things cant push her into a lower level.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Piss-poor thread title.

Seriously.