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Sure am. You seem to be concerned with what others are doing so I wondered what you've done lately.
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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Destroker, you are atheist so there is no God to offer your 'sacrifice' to. You are trying to rationalize with some exaggeration that to not eat for one day is "starving".
Are all diets "starvation" diets? No. Some fasting allows the consumption of liquids, some do not. No demonination will tell you put your life at risk at any point and skip the consumption of water with your daily medication if you rely on it to live. You are therefore exaggerating or trying to rationalize this to yourself to fit your definition. Again, not all fasting is the same. Yes, some muslims will not even swallow their own spit to avoid drinking in their definition of fasting, but the bottom line is we should adhere to the call of fasting to the best of our individual abilities in observance of the occassion that would allow us to abstain from all forms of sin. This act of self denial strenghtens our will to avoid sin and tempation. And trust me, I eat pretty well, so this is not easy even for a day. But the next day its time to feast!
yes I exaggerated a little bit, but I was also making a simple point. Not eating is equal to starving. Yes it may have a purpose, and yes it may be a short lived period, but I was arguing semantics basically, pure definition. When you put meaning to something it's going to be different.
And don't worry, I understand the meaning behind the tradition/ceremony. I have family and friends that follow the Catholic traditions.
I just get disgusted with organized religion. I ultimately respect the individual for their faith, I mean for some it's an insane world and a nearly impossible challenge to keep on trucking without having faith. Hell, I'll admit I'll struggle sometimes to get through things when I constantly talk about the lack of purpose and meaning to life, and I seriously need to get over that and stop thinking about it.
However, and I'm trying to not be offensive when I say this, I think creating some tradition to enforce abstinence from temptation is taking things too far. I can't really explain my logic behind that without writing a book, as it involves far too many distinct topics that come together in the end to form a single message, a message that alone many will brush aside as worthless text, let alone the many things that message represents. Ultimately everyone has their own take on life based on their experiences, and with many things like religion so firmly grounded in humanity at this point, trying to explain religion away might end up being nothing than a terrible version of a lengthy filibuster.
Yep, exactly why it would kind of ruin it to post if you are fasting, unless you are seeking only accolade from others.
Christ denounced hypocritical religion, and much of the world hated Him and His teachings for it (many still do).
It always makes me to hear people insult religion like every belief or belief system is the same.
It's as bad as saying politics in its entirety is stupid.
Don't get me wrong, many/most things in politics and religion are false or misused, but you really can't do away with either.
Both, in their pure forms, are necessary because they are about leadership and fundamental truths, respectively.
You can claim to get rid of politics by name, but you can't really get rid of it - even in anarchy, and with as little as 2 individuals (or 1 if you have multiple personalities) politics develops out of necessity. The same applies to religion; something will always inevitably rise to fill in your fundamental beliefs, even if it's not called "religion". Someone/something will always play the part of supreme authority in a person's life.
to hear people insult religion like every belief or belief system is the same.It's as bad as saying politics in its entirety is stupid.
Don't get me wrong, many/most things in politics and religion are false or misused, but you really can't do away with either.
Both, in their pure forms, are necessary because they are about leadership and fundamental truths, respectively.
You can claim to get rid of politics by name, but you can't really get rid of it - even in anarchy, and with as little as 2 individuals (or 1 if you have multiple personalities
) politics develops out of necessity. The same applies to religion; something will always inevitably rise to fill in your fundamental beliefs, even if it's not called "religion". Someone/something will always play the part of supreme authority in a person's life.
so how many fall seriously ill from not eating or drinking for 24 hours? or do they just basically sleep all day. or veg out and do absolutely nothing.
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